Posted 11/3/2011 7:49 AM (#523319 - in reply to #523282) Subject: Re: Live Bait......lots of floaters!!!
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Location: Racine, Wi
Not to mention a great bartender!! lol
Riverman
Posted 11/3/2011 11:56 AM (#523365 - in reply to #521426) Subject: RE: Live Bait......lots of floaters!!!
It seems this topic comes up every year here on M1. I live in the west and live bait fishing has been banned here for decades so it's hard for me to even imagine using live bait. Nevertheless, it seems reasonable that if live bait kills even a small portion of the fish it would make sense to no longer allow it.
Posted 11/3/2011 12:16 PM (#523373 - in reply to #521426) Subject: Re: Live Bait......lots of floaters!!!
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The very nature of fishing is going to cause some mortality. I suspect that more than a few fish are lost to trolling, small lures inhaled deep, tongues and gills punctured... It's good to educate, and it's good to outlaw methods (single hook swallow rigs) that are known to kill a significant number of fish. But a live bait ban? That's something that a majority of muskie anglers spend their last month of the season doing with great success. And as others have mentioned, if done properly it poses no greater threat to the fish than the three trebles on most of our lures.
I get that we all place muskies in high regard. But there's a point where it becomes silly. I think we have reached that point with this discussion. The only way to eliminate angling mortality is to just plan not fish. And what good are muskies if you can't fish for them?
Posted 11/3/2011 1:11 PM (#523385 - in reply to #523370) Subject: Re: Live Bait......lots of floaters!!!
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jonnysled - 11/3/2011 12:12 PM
musky zealots if given their way will turn the sport into trout fishing ...
yes, and the ignorant morans would slaughter entire populations of muskies if you let them, like they did in many areas of the country that no longer have true native populations of muskies.
But, the reality of this issue is that it isn't as truly polarized as either one of us claims it to be. The right regulations for any fishery isn't a quick easy thing to settle on, and any regulation should change with the state and need of the fishery.
To say there is nothing wrong with any particular tactic if done correctly is meaningless. How do you enforce something being done correctly? How do you educate people who won't listen to what you have to say?
I don't think that live bait fishing should be banned in WS, MN, or across the country. But, are there certain situations and fisheries where is makes sense to ban it? Yes.
I think a trolling ban is silly, but if a big part of Wisconsin feels otherwise, well there must be good reason for it.
Posted 11/3/2011 2:18 PM (#523412 - in reply to #521426) Subject: Re: Live Bait......lots of floaters!!!
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Well, in my observation, which was my point, you don't teach those individuals anything because learning is participation activity and the only thing they participate in learning is the easiest way to catch a muskie. You teach their children and grandchildren, and slowly repair the damage that has been done. I’d rather go the direct route and keep the damage from being done in the first place.
Posted 11/3/2011 2:28 PM (#523415 - in reply to #521426) Subject: Re: Live Bait......lots of floaters!!!
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You can't educate the people who won't listen. So you concentrate on those who will. The good news is that the ones who won't listen to you won't listen to anyone else either, so chances are they're not out there catching many fish anyway.
Posted 11/3/2011 2:49 PM (#523422 - in reply to #521426) Subject: Re: Live Bait......lots of floaters!!!
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Sled, I'd agree with that as a concept. Motivation is all about making someone think that your idea are their ideas. Certainly works well in the world of business. But let's not forget who we are talking about here. There is no more stubborn creature on this planet than the likes of a muskie fisherman!
Spelling Police
Posted 11/3/2011 2:51 PM (#523423 - in reply to #523394) Subject: Re: Live Bait......lots of floaters!!!
jonnysled - 11/3/2011 1:39 PM
"all morans hate it when you call them a moron" ... j.d. salinger (of-course sans the mispelled word) LOL
In the immortal words of Bugs Bunny, "What a maroon."
And it's au contraire.
(The Muskie Police have had their say, so it's time for the Spelling Police to chime in. )
Posted 11/3/2011 3:15 PM (#523427 - in reply to #523415) Subject: Re: Live Bait......lots of floaters!!!
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esoxaddict - 11/3/2011 2:28 PM
You can't educate the people who won't listen. So you concentrate on those who will. The good news is that the ones who won't listen to you won't listen to anyone else either, so chances are they're not out there catching many fish anyway.
No, they're plenty good at catching and killing fish, as it takes very little skill to sit on the side of the bank, put a trout on a single hook, attach a balloon to the line, and sit there all day until a muskie swallows the trout. They're just not that interested in doing it in a conservative (non-gut-hooking) way, when their way works just fine. If someone like that thinks and believes that there are plenty of muskies in the lake to go around, then the only way to teach a person like that is to have them see what happens to the population after a few years. By that point education can't really undo the damage that's been done. People still actually believe that if you just cut the line, the fish will crap out 7/0 stainless steel bait hook after their stomachs magically dissolve them.
Also, if you can find me a legion of volunteer salesmen somewhere that would be willing to come down here and unleash their amazing skills, then please let me know so we can get them down here right away.
Posted 11/3/2011 11:19 PM (#523487 - in reply to #523479) Subject: Re: Live Bait......lots of floaters!!!
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Wow. Even people who don't like kids wouldn't wish me on them as their father. I see your point Steve, but I definitely should NOT have children! I guarantee you they would not be well adjusted.
Posted 11/3/2011 11:43 PM (#523492 - in reply to #521426) Subject: Re: Live Bait......lots of floaters!!!
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Location: Dane Country
Great Video. Teach them when they are young. When you gave him the drag rope i love the look, hey what's this for??? Nice doe I'll be by for some sausage.
Posted 11/8/2011 3:09 PM (#523986 - in reply to #521426) Subject: RE: Live Bait......lots of floaters!!!
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Location: Roscoe IL
I was just up in the Northwoods getting some late season Muskie fishing in before I have to call it good for the year. WORK!!!
We were fishing a lake with a bar next to the ramp, we have used this ramp several times in the past and always enjoyed a bowl of chili and a beer at the bar so we could warm up during a mid day break. Some very nice and friendly folks that run this place. This time about 4 older guys were having a smoke outside as we were pulling the boat out, asking how we did. We said we got a few and had a good time, they asked us if we got anymore if we would poke their eyes out since they were convinced that the Muskies are eating all their pan fish and Walleye. There was nothing I could say to change their mindset!!! These were the same guys we saw throwing everything in their livewell earlier in the day including a small mouth.. I'm certain if any muskie were to be found floating on that lake it was likley blinded as well.
First trime for everything i guess...
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