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but in this instance we're not talking about contour trolling or jigging at a certain depth range. when you zoom those maps into a single cast length they're less helpful; they can't tell you the same subtleties in a weedline or a rockpile that your own icons will give you.
it's not one or the other.
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Location: Norway | I also use Dr. Depth, but thats because no lakes here in Norway is mapped, so I make my own. If I remember correct you can also convert/rename icons/waypoints. (I only use the make map function) Pr is also constantly making new features/updating the software. He has also made an 'ipilot' function (prototype only). the program lisence cost around 2 musky lures, so its a well worth investment (at least for me :))
It actually mapped a rockpile on an edge, I knew the rockpile was somewhere in the area, but when I mapped it, I know exactly where it is.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Just in case Cory, Brad, or someone else with both files missed the post above, send me those files! |
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Location: Minnesota: where it's tough to be a sportsfan! | Guys there is several ways to use todays electronics. Different doesn't make it wrong. I was on Lowrance factory team when the first GPS's hit the "inland" market. I have always said the use of the machines is too time restricting. Once again the "machine programming" is dictating use vrs needs of use dictating how the program works. I am at a crossroads now with my GPS & even the sonar. The only units I haven't complained about in a year or so is the flashers and my handheld GPS!!
I sure would like to know how I can stand on my bow with a handheld working that I can put in my pocket, and have this giant screen unit with a seperate antenna not working a few feet away. I have also wondered wgy when we want all the information we can capture when we catch a fish why we can't capture that when we push the marking button. Personally I believe it's time for a company to come out with some "input from the on the water guys " not the "droned out software" fellows. It's not they give these units away, and it's not like they don't go out of date every 3-4 years! The whole industry needs to relook at their product vs.application/use in my humble opinon. |
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Location: north central wisconsin | Thats a great offer. I don't foresee going away from my LCX/HDS combo any time soon, and will take any advice/software tips I can get in managing the systems' data to their fullest(just filled my capacity of icons and waypoints last week after 15 years of saving). EDIT: My LCX saved data to my HDS just fine. However, if I want to resave from the HDS to a card then to itself or the LCX, I get the cluttered 'ICON' issue. I don't beleive Brad has an HDS, so Cory will have to be the lab rat here. Hope it works, and please keep us updated.
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Location: Madtown, WI | I will try and get the data....stupid job is in the way right now... might be able to get it tonight. |
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Location: Madtown, WI | data sent....let me know if you get it and if it works for you...
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Got it and forwarded it off to our architects. |
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| The loss of icons would be a huge disadvantage to the way that I mark spots. I do use trails when marking rockbar spines and straight weedbeds. Two weeks ago my LCX110 went out. I sent it to Lowrance and paid them $650 for a new HDS10. I dont have the unit yet but when I do I dont see myself using it. I use my gps much like Brad and Cory do. Brad was the one that really opened my eyes to the advantages of extensively marking spots.
That being said anyone want to trade a LCX112 plus some cash for a HDS10? |
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Location: Iowa | I got an hds 10 and 7 this year, I could swear there is already an option in there that allows you to hide waypoint names.
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Location: Madtown, WI | Any word back Steve on this one???
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | OFM can do the programming needed to make this work, but it will be a 'when we can' issue, very busy right now... |
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Location: Minneapolis, MN | "....especially on the HDS units where you don't have an icon feature anymore. "
This may be why the used LCX units are going for more now used than they did new on closeout when the HDS units were announced. Once people realized what they were giving up to get an HDS, suddenly the LCX looks better. I know that is true for me. Anyone have a 112 pr 113" LCX they want to sell?
By the way, you can't buy a PC with less than 1GB of memory for $599. Why can't Lowrance put a bit more memory in these things at $2200+ so this is a non-issue for all anglers? I hope someday a company forms that can offer a diskless PC that stores and processes everything and then just wire it to waterproof dumb terminals with a standard network ethernet cable. This would get us off the new hardware treadmill the other two have us chasing. |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | If you would use an HDS unit and used it to it's fullest potential, meaning with the LGC-4000, the StructureScan with the Downview feature, and add on the Sirius Satellite Weather and radio services, you might never own an LCX unit again.
If your seeing LCX units going for more than what they were when they were closed out, then I wouldn't touch that unit with a 10 foot pole. If you look hard, good used deals are endless, you just have to be patient. The LCX units are worth what they are worth, and that's by no means more than what they were when they were being closed out. Plus, there will be a point in time when Lowrance will no longer service an LCX unit at all.
As for memory, this isn't a Labtop computer, it's a fish locator. Look at the waterproof laptops in the same dimensions, those won't give you a depth, structure, bottom density, downscan or side scan reading ...and the Yuma and Toughbook are way more expensive. The Trimble Yuma is a nice unit, but wouldn't work for me to give me what I want even for just a GPS, and runs $3300.00 to $4300.00.
These units aren't built the way some used to use the LCX models. Can they be used that way, absolutely, but you have to adjust to the limitations of the unit.
What I've done so I don't fill up a unit with umpteen waypoints or icons when I had LCX units is for each big lake, I have a separate SD card with all my waypoints just from that lake, then I put a new card in the unit for another large lake. I only do this for large bodies of waters, that way any data I collect from that lake is on that SD card. Or, you can get a Navionics Navplanner that stores your waypoints, tracks, routes etc.
So, there are options out there that can be utilized, but to boycott the HDS units.... I'll enjoy my HDS units to the fullest.
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Location: Contrarian Island | TJ, couple things....for me personally the ease of use in mapping and icons is so much easier and smarter on the LCX units I will keep mine and buy backups when I see them at good prices...the HDS units to me went a step backwards...shouldn't the new "updated" unit be simpler to use than the units they are discontinuing? well, they aren't...
also, why in the world would you have a seperate SD card for each lake...do you realize that the files even if you put 1000 icons and 1000 waypoints are about 40kb??? one 2 mb SD card could hold 50 files (lakes) that size....
I'd be curious to find out why the Lowrance engineers would put a 30 gigabyte hard drive on a unit like my 38c HD then cap the icons at 1000? ah well...we can all have a wish list I guess.
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | I'm not saying that they did a good thing by getting rid of the icon button, but there is absolutely nothing I can do to magically make it reappear, nor can you or the next guy. So, instead, I'm all about figuring out a way to do the same thing on the HDS units, yes, it's a different procedure now in how you go about doing what we use to do on the LCX units, but so far I LOVE the HDS units.
If you use the HDS units to their fullest potential, the advantages greatly outweigh in my opinion the icon button on the LCX units. The sonar readout, the StructureScan, the option to have Sirius Radio and Weather, but what I've really enjoyed most this season is the Downview feature, that is flat cool!
As for the file size, yes, I know how big they are, but I have a crap ton of sd cards, why not give it a 2gig card? I then know I never fill it up. Typically though, I had been storing them on Navplanner and then empty the card afterward. I've only got a couple of cards, Vermilion, Wabigoon and Northern Wisconsin Lakes on one. But, as I do fish more lakes, keeping them separated means I don't have to wonder whats on what card or when it was from etc. All the data from that lake and only that lake is there, simple. I know Zach has a card of the Mississippi River that has years of knowledge just on that card and actually has filled up a smaller card, and now has another card that is 2 gig that he uses.
I've asked the question numerous times about the 1000 icon cap, and the same answer every time I've asked was who knows why only 1000 icons. But I do know this, what you, and anyone else using the icons the way you or I have, the icon was not made to be used that way, laying down 100's of icons marking structure out or weed lines dotted with icons is not the intent, that I know for certain. Just for reference, the HDS units now have a 5000 way point capacity. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | i save all files with the lake name and date, the most recent date is then the newest file and the older dates can be deleted..no need to keep them....simply deleting the older files which you can do easily when the card is in the unit...back them up on the HD unit and the home computer just in case you lose the SD card or HD gets fried for some reason....one easy way not to wonder when they are from
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Yes, there are other ways, to each there own I guess. |
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| I certainly dont want to get into the middle of the debate about icons or waypoints because I am not the most knowledgeable about using my GPS.
Here is what I do when I try and mark key points of structure and from the sounds of the discussion here, it is a combination of both sides.
I do like the track feature, but like has been said, there is really no way you can accurately follow the piece of structure 100% of the time, the first time. So what I do is mark icons or waypoints, no rhyme or reason to which one, I just use them interchangeably. Then, once I have the key pieces marked, I will delete the track, IMO its pretty much useless in some cases because of the zigging and zagging I did to mark initially.
Then, I go through and connect the dots with a new track. This one is more accurate. I dont do it to necessarily use it as a guide to follow, just helps me picture the structure better.
What do lake maps do? There are lines that connect points of equal depth right? All of our map chips do this, this I think is how our minds work. Granted there is TONS of detail that doesnt exist there and that is where you folks with your keen waypointing or iconing come in.
This obviously does not solve the problem of all the data you guys could be losing, and that really sucks. Glad I only get a few hours on the water here and there then. LOL |
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Location: Madtown, WI | Hey STeve....Any luck on that Data I sent you?!?!!
This is STILL a big issue.
I talked to lowrance again and told them that a simple program change that would allow you to select if a waypoint's name was displayed on screen would completely rectify the problem with the data conversion that happens with Icon over to waypoints.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | When we get the time we will look at designing the needed software in house. That is, of course, if the a couple of the players here don't drive us off the project. |
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| i am looking at a hds10. that is now on hold due to this BIG problem of not having icons, and how they are turned into waypoints when you transfer from a lcx to a hds unit. it is a deal breaker for me. i will be watching to see if there is a fix in the near future. if not i will be looking at a used lcx unit or go with a different company all together. it is that big of a problem for me and it souns like i am not alone. |
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Location: Madtown, WI | Tom to clarify, the fact that the icons are turned into waypoints actually isn't a big deal. The big deal is the fact that once icons, once transferred and saved, then deleted, then reloaded will show up with the name of every icon on the screen basically cluttering the screen. A programing change could easily fix this problem. Now what goes into the programing may take some time, this is not my area. But on the surface it seems like a pretty easy thing to do.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | It's not. |
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| i understand the clutter thing. that is what makes it a big deal to me. the way i understand it, you have to go back after the transfer of waypoints and remove all the "clutter" so the waypoints look like icons again. and then change the symbol back to the one that idenifies the spot, structure or areas that fish were caught. you can say, i navigate to waypoints and fish around icons. i am waiting to hear the price on a x104 that a local has for sale. he wants to try a hds unit. |
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Location: Madtown, WI | Close Tom... The icon itself does transfer...I mean the image. So if you have a green X it transfers over as a green X. I don't recall having to go back and change any symbols. |
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Location: Racine, Wi | Hey Steve,
Thanks for sending me all of Cory's waypoints and Icons. I'll use them well this year. I won't tell Cory that's what you were doing though, I'll make sure he thinks you're still working on the transfers.  |
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Location: 31 | I know this is an old thread but I was doing a search on what happened to the icons with HDs and ended up back here (first time HD user this year). I can understand how Doc wouldn't have a problem with the HD units not having icons, transferring data, or anything with Lowrance for that matter considering he's probably the number one expert. I’m not him…
However, I'm with these other guys being extremely disappointed to not only find the icons do not transfer intact, but also that they don’t even have icons. I'll be able to work around it, but I have a TON of lakes with my targeted trolling break line outlined saved on cards that's a little up in the air now.
My routine was to simply blank my old 113 (all icons trails and waypoints) before launching and install the lake/area icons before fishing, when I finished fishing just save the updated version. I'll be the first to admit that I over used icons… I’ve even had several people in my boat that could hardly believe I went to that kind of extreme, but it works for me… so yeah I'm hugely disappointed too. Literally thousands of hours of carefully stored information dating back to the X-15 days, I'll be able to work around it like reef hog says, and StructureScan will probably more than make up for it… but it's still quite a shocker.
My question is to you guys to have been using these HD units… how much of a problem has this been for you, and have you learned any tricks.
I'll tell you something that would be really trick TJ, Lowrance could have a “depth icon” on their upcoming gen 3s. Hit a button, the depth is recorded from your sonar for those times when the map is off.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Adapt, Jerry, adapt. Watch the videos we have onsite, there's some pretty good advice offered. |
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