Posted 6/24/2009 7:26 PM (#385447 - in reply to #384875) Subject: Re: bumpboard measuring
Location: Lake Tomahawk, WI
Wait a second, measuring a fish on a bumpboard is bad? Sheesh, take the hooks off your lures, join peta, and start watching The Bachelorette. Better yet, give up fishing muskies altogether for fear of 'injuring' one. Absolutely ridiculous.
Posted 6/24/2009 8:05 PM (#385461 - in reply to #385447) Subject: Re: bumpboard measuring
Posts: 155
Is it a 32" or 31 and 33/64ths wow ! I still can,t believe we compare it to golf...What are we sending to all the newbies,that we should wine and dine every fish we catch..Come on...
Posted 6/24/2009 8:13 PM (#385467 - in reply to #385461) Subject: Re: bumpboard measuring
Posts: 413
Location: Madison WI
It is really sad how most people can't read the original post and answer the question that was asked, I mean seriously this post would have maybe 10 replies if that had been done. But then again were muskie fisherman and we love to run off on tangents all the time...
Posted 6/24/2009 8:53 PM (#385481 - in reply to #384875) Subject: RE: bumpboard measuring
Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160
I only take the fish out of the water for the pic. Use a stick in the water, bumpboads are for tournaments. Someone said to use a firm grip and keep alittle pressure on the fish with both hands, that is wrong, after that fish just got done with a fight for it's life now you are going to apply more stress for what ???? a stick in the water works without undo harm to the fish. Think about that fish not your ego.
Posted 6/24/2009 9:13 PM (#385486 - in reply to #385481) Subject: RE: bumpboard measuring
Posts: 1220
I am not liking the comparrison to watching The Bachelorette. That's not fair. My wife makes me watch that with her...and also those guys on that show don't fool me with that sensative act....I don't think they really love her for herself. Hey, wait a minute...maybe she could pick the guy she wants to marry by using a bump-board???
Posted 6/25/2009 6:01 AM (#385517 - in reply to #384875) Subject: Re: bumpboard measuring
Location: Lake Tomahawk, WI
For the record I don't own a bumpboard, but properly done isn't an issue, no more than holding it for a photo. In general I just 'eyeball' the muskies we catch, call it 40ish, 36ish, whatever it may be, usually within an inch, and don't really care. If it's a newbee in the boat, want's an accurate measurement (or we catch a big one), I have a steel ruler attached to the gunwale and a quick measurement is taken.
I feel for you Marty, was at a friend's house this week and was forced to watch that crap, ugly.
JS
Guest
Posted 6/25/2009 8:00 AM (#385532 - in reply to #384875) Subject: RE: bumpboard measuring
Biologists in MN (Rod Ramsell, Dan Iserman) have long talked about the "cumalative stress factor".
Basically that each individual stress has a cumalative impact on whether or not that fish may survive.
Many anglers try to limit the different stress factors as much as they can. Doing all un-hooking in the water, and not taking fish into the boat for measuring or some may not even choose to photo other than a release shot.
Seems pretty abusrd to abuse anglers who choose to go down this road.
Telling someone they should be in peta because they want to keep fish in the water is moronic.
If you want to bump-board every fish, or some than that's fine, your choice No reason to vilify those who feel differently about it.
lambeau
Posted 6/25/2009 8:21 AM (#385536 - in reply to #384875) Subject: Re: bumpboard measuring
i think you've got it a bit mixed up. if you want to leave the fish in the water, no measuring (or in-water only) and no photo. that's an excellent choice. no one is vilifying that choice.
where the problem occurs is when those who choose to go that route say that no one else should be bump-boarding or photographing captured muskies. that's just plain silly.
catch a fish, take a picture (or not), measure it (or not), and let it go.
simple.
Posted 6/25/2009 8:40 AM (#385543 - in reply to #385166) Subject: Re: bumpboard measuring
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
jonnysled - 6/23/2009 3:37 PM name one other group of sportsmen who get as strung out about what others do and then label it right or wrong like musky fishermen. holy cow ... honest question ... anybody who participates in other sports find the same level of attitude that you do with musky fishermen. i swear it's an art unto it's own.
Steelhead anglers for sure and another would be fly fishermen, not all mostly trout guys. Seems that the greater the passion (aka. mental instability) the more we are willing to go after our fellow angler with torch and pitchfork.
Posted 6/25/2009 9:00 AM (#385546 - in reply to #385246) Subject: RE: bumpboard measuring
Posts: 2024
Guest - 6/23/2009 8:27 PM
DNR don't tire fish out by playing them with a rod and reel before they work on them.
Muskies are usually "put to sleep" before any extensive work is done with pith tags, transmitters or other time consuming tasks.
Your comparison to stress levels with DNR vs. angling is not accurate.
Anesthesia is not commonly used when working with fish, unless surgically implanting acoustic, radio, or CARTs (combined acoustic/radio tags). PIT tags and Floy tags take about 5 seconds (or less) to insert, and external radio tags also take very little time to affix.
Any time you touch a muskie it is going to react with physiological changes (i.e., stress). What device you measure them with should not be the issue at hand, but rather how the ENTIRE handling event is carried out. Cumulative stress can occur from a multitude of handling practices (e.g., duration of angling event, duration of de-hooking process, air exposure, etc.). The fisherman needs to evaluate all of those things and try to mitigate the amount of stress they put on the fish. For example, if the fish wrapped really badly in the net and had its head out of the water a while, AND the unhooking process took much longer than expected, then maybe the photo session should be limited to one or two photos and an in the water measurement. Being able to evaluate each fish's condition and then adapt one's handling practices to the particular scenario should be considered at all times. That will ultimately lead to better, more refined, handling practices.
bn
Posted 6/25/2009 9:30 AM (#385555 - in reply to #384875) Subject: RE: bumpboard measuring
well said Esox50...
measuring fish on a bumpboard and taking a couple pics can be a very quick and smooth process..catch enough fish and you get pretty darn good at it...the fish are not harmed in the slightest if you do it right... more harm is done to fish by inexperienced anglers than by the ones that have their ducks in a row....
I think Lambeau had a short video of an unhooking/measuring/photo session on here at one time that showed how smooth and harmless it can be...
Guest
Posted 6/25/2009 9:57 AM (#385559 - in reply to #384875) Subject: RE: bumpboard measuring
The theme here seems to be that if you think measuring out of water is a stress that fish don't need, than you should join peta.
That's an "attack" on the choice to not take fish out of water, not on those that you may feel are trying to tell you what to do.
In MN fish are put under for pit tags, egg take, and just recently on Leech for simply taking scale and fin-ray samples.
Point being there that comparing how the DNR handles fish to how anglers do is apples to oranges. To think that DNR stresses fish out more than anglers is not accurate.
Lastly, many anglers try to limit the stress put on fish all the time, it's just the way they do things. To imply that thinking this way is peta-like or eccentric, etc. is putting yourself down at the level of those who you say are "preaching" at you about how you fish.
You know, the whole pot calling the kettle black thing.
Posted 6/25/2009 10:39 AM (#385570 - in reply to #384875) Subject: Re: bumpboard measuring
Posts: 1516
Use the stick to wack'em a little to settle them down? I tried that with my kids and it didn't work at all. Maybe I didn't whack'em long enough or hard enough.
Posted 6/25/2009 10:45 AM (#385573 - in reply to #385559) Subject: RE: bumpboard measuring
Posts: 444
So putting them under doesnt stress them out in itself......?? I would think there confused as hell go under like that.. .drugs and such arent natural to Muskies..
lambeau
Posted 6/25/2009 10:59 AM (#385579 - in reply to #385555) Subject: RE: bumpboard measuring
I think Lambeau had a short video of an unhooking/measuring/photo session on here at one time that showed how smooth and harmless it can be...
thanks for the reminder, Brad.
here's the video of Andy Grimm "doing it right" with measuring and photo session.
go ahead and time it out of the water...
here's a video with Steve Jonesi demonstrating proper release techniques:
Posted 6/25/2009 4:38 PM (#385670 - in reply to #384875) Subject: Re: bumpboard measuring
Posts: 32886
Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
Hey John,
No one is attacking the decision not to measure. I think lambeau made that point pretty clearly the last time you said about the same thing.
There is some animosity/resentment towards those who insist NO ONE should measure a muskie because they choose not to, citing most certain harm to the fish. You won't find many folks who will say less than 30 seconds out of the water and careful handling using a wet bump board will kill the fish. When it gets to the point where we are villianized because we take a picture or bump a fish in the CATCH- PHOTO- RELEASE process, then I'd say we are almost off the edge and approaching the -don't-fish-because-it-hurts-the-fish theme, but that's my interpretation. Like I said, I'll bump the fish I want to, and not bump those I don't want to. How about everyone does the same, and we're all happy!
Posted 6/25/2009 4:49 PM (#385674 - in reply to #384875) Subject: Re: bumpboard measuring
Posts: 1270
I guess if you want to measure your fish on a board or a floating ruler have at it, just be careful with the fish.
Since someone brought up golf I'll add this: When I golf I don't keep score and when I fish I don't feel the need to measure every fish I catch. I golf and fish for fun and relaxation, not for other people or to brag about what I caught or what I shot in golf. "Keeping score" while fishing to me would take the fun out of it. I'm not saying that I don't ever measure a fish but I don't feel the need to do it to everyone I catch. If I think it's a PB I will measure it but I see no need to measure a 40" fish as I don't really care if it's 38" or 42" all I know is that I worked hard to catch it and am proud of it regardless of how long it is.
Posted 6/25/2009 6:31 PM (#385697 - in reply to #384875) Subject: RE: bumpboard measuring
Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160
I wonder how hot a B/BOARD gets sitting in the sun all day long ?????? I hope they take a few extra seconds and wet/cool the board before they put the fish down ????? I know most muskies guys will but what about the weekend warriors ????
Posted 6/25/2009 6:52 PM (#385700 - in reply to #385546) Subject: RE: bumpboard measuring
Posts: 392
Location: lake x...where the hell is it?
esox50 - 6/25/2009 9:00 AM
Guest - 6/23/2009 8:27 PM
DNR don't tire fish out by playing them with a rod and reel before they work on them.
Muskies are usually "put to sleep" before any extensive work is done with pith tags, transmitters or other time consuming tasks.
Your comparison to stress levels with DNR vs. angling is not accurate.
Anesthesia is not commonly used when working with fish, unless surgically implanting acoustic, radio, or CARTs (combined acoustic/radio tags). PIT tags and Floy tags take about 5 seconds (or less) to insert, and external radio tags also take very little time to affix.
Any time you touch a muskie it is going to react with physiological changes (i.e., stress). What device you measure them with should not be the issue at hand, but rather how the ENTIRE handling event is carried out. Cumulative stress can occur from a multitude of handling practices (e.g., duration of angling event, duration of de-hooking process, air exposure, etc.). The fisherman needs to evaluate all of those things and try to mitigate the amount of stress they put on the fish. For example, if the fish wrapped really badly in the net and had its head out of the water a while, AND the unhooking process took much longer than expected, then maybe the photo session should be limited to one or two photos and an in the water measurement. Being able to evaluate each fish's condition and then adapt one's handling practices to the particular scenario should be considered at all times. That will ultimately lead to better, more refined, handling practices.
thanks sean,"Being able to evaluate each fish's condition and then adapt one's handling practices to the particular scenario should be considered at all times. That will ultimately lead to better, more refined, handling practicest"
that is what i am trying to do but aint got much help.maybe if i wanted to learn golf i know who to ask now.
Posted 6/25/2009 7:11 PM (#385704 - in reply to #384875) Subject: Re: bumpboard measuring
Posts: 32886
Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
Yo received all SORTS of help, as it is, there isn't much more to say about a fish that doesn't want to sit still. Hold it tight, support it carefully, and measure it. End of story.
bumpbord fish killer
Posted 6/25/2009 9:41 PM (#385742 - in reply to #385704) Subject: Re: bumpboard measuring
The only fish I put on a bumpboard this year so far ended up being a 49.5" floating fish. Fish was measured fast and never dropped, but did the usual spazz flopping on the board (more stress). The other 15 water releases I have had this year the fish swam away fine. I will never know if it would have lived with a water release, but it does make me think twice about it next time. I'm not telling anyone to not measure a fish with a board, as I do it mysef when I think I got a 50"+. But, it is pretty obvious that what is best for the fish is a water release.
Posted 6/25/2009 10:02 PM (#385745 - in reply to #384875) Subject: Re: bumpboard measuring
Posts: 392
Location: lake x...where the hell is it?
all "SORTS" of help is right, but i didnt learn anything i didnt know already. i was hopeing to learn something. its not that i cant handel them, its that moment when you turn then on there side to bump them and they freak out. thats what i was trying to get some insight on. i just wanted to be better at handeling and make sure i dont hurt the fish. this thread went way off subject and didnt answer my qustion at all. thanks to those that did try.
Guest
Posted 6/25/2009 10:10 PM (#385749 - in reply to #384875) Subject: RE: bumpboard measuring
when measuring a fish on a board, DO NOT TAKE YOUR HANDS OUT OF THE GILL PLATE.
Pick them out of the net and DO NOT TAKE YOUR HAND OUT, it takes about 3-4 seconds.
Again, I have measured hundreds of fish on boards and can only remember 3 or 4 doing anything but laying there. Once you slide your hand out though...that's a different story.
Hard to believe we need to explain how to measure fish...wow.
Posted 6/25/2009 10:21 PM (#385750 - in reply to #384875) Subject: Re: bumpboard measuring
Posts: 32886
Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
Jay,
I tried to indicate a couple times in this thread there may BE no definitive answer. That would certainly explain why you 'didn't learn anything you didn't already know'.
It's a topic many seem to be interested in speaking to, but not necessarily to the direct question. That happens.
Posted 6/25/2009 10:26 PM (#385751 - in reply to #384875) Subject: Re: bumpboard measuring
Posts: 999
Wow, you'd think Winternet was in full session right about now! I see the vast majority of us are in full favor of Bumpboards for safe,fast,ACCURATE measurements which we ALL deserve. If your against any type of stress put on a musky dont even fish for the %$#@%$ things. Dont even waste your time fishing for them. Go to the Minocqua Zoo and take pictures of them in that pond. Dont sit here on MuskieFirst half beered up telling us how it puts added stress on the fish. You allready snapped the fishes neck on your hookset and dragged it all the way in while it peeled line off your freespool, then you finally had your netman net it while it sat there headbanging your tin can of a boat enduing it's now headache. A 3 second measurement sure in the heck isnt going to ruin the fishes day any worse!
Mr Musky
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