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| All guides should have to give 10 percent of there profits back to the fisheries they exploit................ |
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| Steve,
Should the clients also pay an extra 10 percent for exploiting the water that they are hiring the guide to fish? |
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| Steve M - 11/18/2008 2:24 PM
All guides should have to give 10 percent of there profits back to the fisheries they exploit................
i agree, they take over a lake, 24/7, i try to stay away from guide infested lakes.. hard to do these days now!! |
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| Steve M - 11/18/2008 2:24 PM
All guides should have to give 10 percent of there profits back to the fisheries they exploit................
We all exploit the fisheries, Steve. Every single one of us, every time we fish.
Have you ever hired a guide? Do you know any guides?
Edited by esoxaddict 11/18/2008 2:35 PM
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| 10% of their profits wouldn't be much. They already pay an extra fee, GUIDE LICENSE, to be on public water.
Not sure why some of you can't get it through your thick skulls that these guys are not getting rich doing this.....................
Edited by muskydeceiver 11/18/2008 2:38 PM
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Location: thunder bay | no we do it for the love of the sport not the money. well I do anyway. I've eattin pancake's for a week because I only had money to pay the rent and go fishing to keep my skill's up. Or pay rent, eat good and then when my client's come up I wouldn't be ready for them. Not being ready for your client's wouldn't make you a very good guide i don't think.
Edited by muskynate 11/18/2008 2:53 PM
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| I crunched the numbers once. I figured at $350/day working from the opener to ice up, 6 days a week, with a full calendar and not a single cancellation/down day due to illness, broken equipment, etc you'd gross $45,000 a year.
Then when you subtract payments on your boat, truck, taxes, buying your own health insurance, a guidel license, and enough gear to last through the season at the end of the year you'd have enough money left to rent a trailer and eat at least twice a week.
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Location: thunder bay | that depend's on if you don't work for a lodge and your on your own. if you guide for a lodge most place's only pay you 150 for the day.
Edited by muskynate 11/18/2008 2:57 PM
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Location: thunder bay | just gas alone is bad here in canada we were paying 1.55 or so a litre so in the u.s it's in gallon's 3 litre's in a gallon. that's 5 buck's a gallon not cheap
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| nobody is saying they make any money, avg income to below avg at best. |
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Location: Nordeast Minneapolis | This is a fascinating discussion... throughout this thread, I've felt myself get pulled in one direction, then the other- a good number of good points being made. Regarding the statement that guides should pay more, if I had to guess I'd say part of that has to come from envy. Who among us hasn't thought 'Man, it would be cool to be a guide! Your job is to go FISHING.' I have to admit I've had that daydream... along with 'resort owner', 'bait shop owner' and 'professional fishing tv personality' (Angling Edge? Any openings???). I've actually considered switching from professional practice to the academic world because it would give me more time in the summers to fish. Not kidding. And you guides out there actually get to do it... with some really nice folks, and some great big jerks, and likely everyone else in between. On really nice days and on some not so nice ones. I have to admit, I've never hired a guide. Never had to, really... most of the water I've fished in my life I've mostly fished for my ENTIRE life. But I'm strongly considering it for a trip up to Mille Lacs- not because I want to know the secret spots, but because I want to understand that particular ecosystem. A guide can show a person locations, but that doesn't mean they'll catch fish there on their own. If it did, I'd think guys like Jonesi could just sell location maps or pre-programmed GPS chips and mostly avoid fishing with jerks like me. Also, I think most of us could look at a map for a lake we've never fished before and pick out the top 5 spots we'd think would be most productive, and most of us would have the same (or similar) spots. (At least for smaller lakes, that is... LoTW, Mille Lacs, etc. not withstanding.) But fish on every lake behave a little differently, and I would think that's what you're really getting. So I guess what I'm trying to say is, guides out there- I can understand being protective of a location that has helped provide for your family... but if you think the spot is the only thing you're providing, you're likely selling yourself short. |
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Location: Nordeast Minneapolis | Sorry if that got a little long-winded. |
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Location: The desert | esoxaddict - 11/18/2008 2:43 PM
I crunched the numbers once. I figured at $350/day working from the opener to ice up, 6 days a week, with a full calendar and not a single cancellation/down day due to illness, broken equipment, etc you'd gross $45,000 a year.
Then when you subtract payments on your boat, truck, taxes, buying your own health insurance, a guidel license, and enough gear to last through the season at the end of the year you'd have enough money left to rent a trailer and eat at least twice a week.
Try working in the fisheries world. I'd be jumping for joy over 45k. Maybe I should be a guide. |
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Location: On your favorite spot | I fish a lake by my house almost everyday. My truck is always at the ramp. Everyone sees my boat when they are out there and sees where I'm fishing. I take other people fishing there quite a bit. Am I worthless for the lake? |
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Location: Twin Cities | Pointerpride102 - 11/18/2008 5:20 AM
Try working in the fisheries world. I'd be jumping for joy over 45k. Maybe I should be a guide.
You do realize that's $45k GROSS? There are all the business expenses before you can talk about income. |
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Location: The desert | JRedig - 11/18/2008 3:33 PM
Pointerpride102 - 11/18/2008 5:20 AM
Try working in the fisheries world. I'd be jumping for joy over 45k. Maybe I should be a guide.
You do realize that's $45k GROSS? There are all the business expenses before you can talk about income.
Yep. When my gross income looks like 27k, I'd take 45k in a heart beat. |
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Location: MPLS, MN | I don't care what any guide says about it being OK, I wouldn't bring a GPS because I'd still worry about not getting to certain spots if I had one. |
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| Does that $27,000 come with paid vacation, sick days, health insurance, guaranteed pay, no cancellations, and not having to watch some clown you never met throw your brand new 400TE in the lake or step on three of your rods at once?
Granted, it was quite a few years ago, but when I started my current job I was making $300/week. |
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| ........and a 401(k) or other retirement package? Guessing if you are working with fisheries it is a State job. Retirement, pension, etc. are often overlooked as a large amount of money. |
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Location: Kronenwetter, WI | Listening, er, reading these posts I can tell there must be ice in much of the musky-world already. 192 days until the opener above HWY 10...let the mindless ranting begin! |
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Location: Detroint Lakes, MN |
I don't have anything "against" guides. I know people who fish almost every day that aren't guides, they cause pressure too.
But I do think you should be a resident of the state you guide in.
I also think MN should have a liscence and a "season" for guiding.
On a side note, our MI chapter has never had a guide give a free seminar. They charge anywhere from $250-600 a night.
Sure they donate, but I wouldn't say anymore than lots of folks do.
JS
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Location: Twin Cities | esoxaddict - 11/18/2008 5:52 AM
Does that $27,000 come with paid vacation, sick days, health insurance, guaranteed pay, no cancellations, and not having to watch some clown you never met throw your brand new 400TE in the lake or step on three of your rods at once?
Big +1.
Pointerpride102 - 11/18/2008 5:40 AM
Yep. When my gross income looks like 27k, I'd take 45k in a heart beat.
You're not comparing apple's to apple's at all.
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Location: The desert | esoxaddict - 11/18/2008 3:52 PM
Does that $27,000 come with paid vacation, sick days, health insurance, guaranteed pay, no cancellations, and not having to watch some clown you never met throw your brand new 400TE in the lake or step on three of your rods at once?
Granted, it was quite a few years ago, but when I started my current job I was making $300/week.
No insurance, sick days or benefits. No 401k. Zip. Hell the job isnt even garaunteed funding, it could run out at any time. |
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| This is a pretty major tangent here, but then why would you make that kind of career decision, Pointer, if it is so bad? Or at least none of the benefits seem to be monetary, so what would be the benefit?
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| Hahahhahahahaha. Absolutely no clue. Very entertaining though." You want the truth? You couldn't handle the truth". Give back? 6 full day donations to Muskies Inc.(in State and Out Of State) and one to the local Boy Scout Council this season. Every season. I know others that do the same. Peace. Steve
Edited by Steve Jonesi 11/18/2008 9:42 PM
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Location: The desert | When did I say my career choice was bad or I dont like the fisheries world? I chose the fisheries field for the same reason Jonesi chose his. I absolutely love what I do. Eventually I hope to have a job that has benefits. |
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Location: Roscoe IL | I have hired a guide 20 times easy over the last 10 years & will hire another 20 in the next 10 years. Each & every time I hire them to spend a day trying to catch a fish, have a great time & maybe learn someting I didn't know about a lure or that particular body of water.
My expectations are always the same, put me in the best position to catch a fish & correct me when I do something wrong. I expect the same treatment for my kids or friends depending who who I bring.
I also like to see the guide fishing with us. I do & have learned how to work some baits by watching them. I also love to see the passion they have & fire at them when they have a backlash. A good sense of humor is even better. Frank Walsh wouldn't even have to leave the dock & I could listen to him all day. He still would get my $ + a tip.
In almost every case, the guide I hired would ask questions like Steve mentioned. If we were staying to fish on our own for a few day's following the guided trip, everytime they would offer to mark up our map. That get's them a free lunch at the local gin mill for the mid day break my treat! All except that Ty Sennett & Tanner combo.. They will fish you so hard you don't want to go out the next day!
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| Sorry, I guess when you use your prospective income as comparison, for a less enviable situation to how guides have it I assumed that the statement was comparable to a complaint.
Guiding is not about making $$$, heck I don’t think there is a position in the muskie fishing biz, that is really about $$$. Which is a discussion that’s been covered several times and you either agree, or you don’t.
Slamr, thanks. That truly made me laugh out loud. My wife always looks at me like I’m crazy when I start laughing looking at the muskie boards.
“anybody touches my stuff, and I’ll kill ‘em”
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Location: The desert | Fishwizard - 11/18/2008 4:52 PM
Sorry, I guess when you use your prospective income as comparison, for a less enviable situation to how guides have it I assumed that the statement was comparable to a complaint.
I was simply throwing it out there. I know guiding doesnt pay well. I also knew the career I chose doesnt pay well. Now if only I could combine the two.....Guided electrofishing surveys. |
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| “anybody touches my stuff, and I’ll kill ‘em”
Lighten up, Francis.....
Yes, it is cold out. That's when I read these kind of threads. Entertaining, to say the least. Lots of good (as in well-thought-out) opinions here. I've hired a couple guides in the past....the worst one actually gave me the most info, but he was kind of a jerk. Treated me like I'd never fished before and we were trolling.....don't get me started!
Still hoping to get out once or twice more, but until then, keep the posts coming, folks!
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