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| Congrats Tom. Glad to see all the time and effort finally paid off. A true fish of a lifetime. Welcome to the 50 lb club....  |
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| Congratulations Tom, that thing is HUGE......A fish of a lifetime for sure..... glad to see your having LAX REPRODUCTIONS do the mount, I have seen their work at the musky shows and it is the BEST..... |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Lax did my Goon fish, and it's stellar work. He absolutely NAILED the color and markings. Beautiful mount! |
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Location: Oregon | MuskyFlyGuy - 12/1/2006 4:17 PM
Something with a belly that big should have Type II diabetes
That's funny right there!!
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Location: Apollo, PA | Congrats to a great fisherman and musky educator. Your tactics Tom have helped me alot.
Thanks for sharing and Great Job!!! |
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Location: Rhinelander. | I tip my hat to you Mr. Gelb> That is a beautiful fish and will look great on your wall as you reflect on the many days you spent in pursuit of such a fish. Congradulations!!!!!!!!
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Location: Monee, Illinois | All I have to say is wow! |
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| What a beautiful fish, and what a die-hard angler. It's like I used to say when I was a hard-core duck hunter..."It's not the guys who are there on opening day who are the real duck hunters, it's the guys who are out there on the last day."
I remember watching 2 guys who were hard-core row trollers on a Vilas County lake where my dad had his place. They had boats with seats that moved, pointed on both ends, a rudder system and rod holders in different positions. They had hand-made 9 foot rods that were almost like Dipsy rods that we used on Lake Michingan. This was in the 70's, and I watched them rig up big spoons with in-line keel sinkers and big Rapalas and other minnow type lures. Sometimes they would troll Bobbie Baits or Radke Pikies, and they often waved me down to show me walleyes that were 8 to over 10 pounds that they netted before they would release them. Fishing in 70-100 feet of water with long lines and lures that weren't made to catch muskies, but they did. We even gave them a box full of J-Plugs and Grizzlies to try for a season, but they never caught anything on them but trout.
Looking at the pictures of the fish and the fisherman who caught her, I just can't help sliding back in time, watching the 2 guys that always fished side by side, down the lake for 3 hours and then turning around and heading for the boatlanding. I always wondered what it would be like to fish like that, and since the Dr told me that I need more excercise..........don't even think about it. Maybe when my daughter starts dating, I'll ask her suitors to go fishing for a weekend and we'll see what kind of stamina they have.
Yup, those boats were a work of art and laid out to perfection, and the guys who rowed them while I drifted or used the electric motor, were a different breed. And I mean that with the outmost respect.
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| I couldn't think of anyone else, who more deserves this fish.Row trolling in single digit weather is hard core.Congrats Tom,you are one heckuva Musky fisherman,even before this brute. |
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Location: Pigeon Forge TN. | Thanks for the emai lwith the picture Tom, again, all I can say is that it couldn't have happened to a better person.
Congrats again Tom.
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Location: WESTERN WI | Congrats on the fish!!! Beauty, since I first saw this thread yesterday, I had a crazy dream where I was row-trolling. I have never considered this before but my subconcious is telling me it may be time to invest in a row troller.
"No big fish in WI, yeah right!" |
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Location: Iowa | What a freaking giant...congrats to you...
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| well just want to say congratulions to tom on his northern wisconsin monster. that is a swasome fish one which we all would love to catch. i was at the lax shop that day and to see all his great work in there. i also got to witness one of the most amazing things i will ever see... that was an awasome fish tom caught in person it was even bigger then the picture shows. congrats to tom again on a fine fish and also to rick for the one blessed to mount it. just need to add tom dont worry he will do a geat job like he all ways does.... |
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| Great fish...Tom !! Have caught a few muskies over the last 50 some years in my home town of Eagle River...but nothing close to that monster. Something about "row trolling" even makes it extra special too . Last 50# musky that I heard of.....was in Lac Du Flambeau...bclieve around 1960 or so ?? Guy named Allen?? "Remember..if you're too busy to go fishing....you're just too #*^@ busy !!" Marv "Bwana" Elliott Cape Coral, Florida |
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| Grats on the 50 lber what a nice way to end the season and a great start at a new one and Hello marv. this is jerrys son you used to Goose hunt by use cousin... |
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| Tom,
You are my hero. A friend sent me a copy of Bob Riepenhoff's article on you and your fish to me in Chicago. We come up in October. Maybe we should pack more cold weather gear. What a great fish and story!!!! |
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| Great fish!!! |
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Location: Duluth, MN | beachpig - 3/5/2010 1:15 PM
Great fish!!!
2 1/2 years later!!
But that is a great fish!! |
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | 2-1/2? Try more like 4-1/2... Look at the date of the original post...
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Location: Brookfield, WI | VMS - 3/5/2010 3:53 PM
2-1/2? Try more like 4-1/2... Look at the date of the original post...
Time moves quickly on the Musky Interweb.
Kevin
Golf show tonight. I don't need anything. |
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| Tom has backed that catch up twice since the orginal fiddy pounder in the fall not to mention the June and July hogs he's been boating.
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Location: St. Lawrence River | Wow what a hog.. I think ive read articles and seen pics of his row trolling |
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| ive heard the fish was caught on north twin anyone know if thers any truth to that?? |
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| Tom Gelb's fish is extra special for it has a LARGER girth than the IGFA world record muskie.
From John Dettloff's rebuttal to the WRMA Johnson Summary Report:
"In a section where the report compares the side width of the Johnson musky to the side width of the Gelb musky (a 53" long fish), they not only reduced the Johnson's musky's length (and correspondingly its side width) down to the same scale as the Gelb fish for comparison purposes...but they also incorrectly indicated the boundaries of the side width of the johnson fish on the photo. Such a comparison gives the false impression that the Johnson musky's side width was less than the side width of Gelb's fish. However, once you enlarge the Johnson fish to the proper scale of 60 1/4" and once you realize that the shadowed area alongside the right edge of the Johnson musky in the photo is actually additional side width that the WRMA missed, it becomes evident that Johnson's fish does not have a smaller side width than the Gelb fish. This extra side width that was missed by the report gives the Johnson fish conservatively an additional 1/2 to 3/4" of side width and, consequently, more girth."
First off, when comparing the photo of Johnson's fish to Gelb's, the WRMA was NOT comparing the actual side width of one fish to the other. They were comparing the side width to length RATIO'S of the two fish. Gelb's fish has a side width that is 19.15% of it's total length compared to Johnson's at only 16.52%.
Also, the side width measurement INCLUDED the shadowed area John Dettloff was referring to on the Johnson fish.
The ONLY way to properly compare the side width to length ratios is to show the fish at the same length or scale. When both fish are shown at 53" this results in Johnson's fish having a side width of 8.7556" compared to Gelb's at 10.495". This is what was shown in the Johnson Summary Report. (8.7556" = 16.52% of 53") (10.1495 = 19.15% of 53"). Here there is a difference of 1.39" in side width.
If you enlarge Johnson's fish to a 60.25" scale and compare it to Gelb's at 53" the side width of Johnson's fish becomes 9.9533" compared to Gelb's at 10.1495". (9.9533" = 16.52% of 60.25") (10.1495" = 19.15% of 53"). Now the difference is only .1962" but the side width of Gelb's fish is still wider than Johnson's meaning it still has a larger girth.
If you INCORRECTLY add .75" like John Dettloff says to the side width of Johnson's fish the side width becomes 10.7033" which only .5538" wider than Gelb's.
Gelb's fish has a 28.5" girth. How much more girth would .5538 of additional side width represent? The side width on Gelb's fish of 10.1495" represents 35.61% of it's girth of 28.5".
The side width of Johnson's fish with John Dettloff's .75" adjustment is 10.7033". 10.7033" is 35.61% of 30.06". This is STILL 3.44" short of the claimed girth of 33.5".
Johnson's muskie at 30.06" x 60.25" = a girth that is 49.89% of the total length. The fish is claimed to have a girth that is 55.60% of the total length.
So you can see that even with John Dettloff's side width claim the girth is still far short of 33.5".
I hope this shows everyone how extra special Tom's fish truly is.
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Location: Duluth, MN | Umm can you repeat the part of the stuff where you said about the things.... |
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | Lundbob,
That was very funny, Thanks for the chuckle .
Great Fish of a lifetime.
Jerome
Edited by Top H2O 3/7/2010 11:28 AM
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Location: Eagle River, WI | Lundbob - 3/7/2010 9:32 AM
Umm can you repeat the part of the stuff where you said about the things....
Nice simpsons reference. |
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| You don't need that fancy math to tell there's no way Cal's fish was even remotely close to Gelb's fish in any direction.
Tom Gelb SHOULD have the WI state record, not Cal or Louie! |
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| I realize that MOST people know that Gelb's fish is clearly the larger of the two but there are still some that feel this isn't the case because of John Dettloff's ridiculous rebuttal.
John Dettloff's rebuttal of the IGFA Summary Report was never properly addressed in any of the other threads. This rebuttal was nothing more than a bunch of lies and this needed to be exposed.
If people would just take the time to carefully measure the side width and length of the images shown in the Johnson Summary Report they would realize how badly John Dettloff is misleading people.
IF the length of Johnson's fish was 60.25" (proven untrue by professional photogrammetry), the side width (depth top to bottom) would be just under 10" (9.9533") while Gelb's is just over 10" (10.1495"). The girth of Johnson's fish is supposedly 33.5" while Gelb's is only 28.5", a difference of 5" with Gelb's fish having the greater side width (depth top to bottom)! Anyone with any common sense can clearly see this is impossible.
When both fish are scaled at 53" Johnson's fish has a side width of 8.7556" (8.7556" = 16.52% of 53"). (Professional photogrammetry found 53" to be the maximum possible length of this fish when measured from the upper jaw).
Gelb's fish has a side width of 10.1495" (10.1495" = 19.15% of 53").
Gelb's fish has a 28.5" girth.
The side width (depth) of 10.1495" on Gelb's fish represents 35.61% of it's girth of 28.5".
The 8.7556" side width (depth) on Johnson's fish would represent a girth of 24.59" (8.7556" / 35.61% = 24.59").
The bottom line:
Tom Gelb...28.5" x 53"
Cal Johnson...24.59" x 53"
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| I think it's an insulting slap in Tom Gelb's face (or any musky fisherman for that matter) for Dettloff to say that Johnson's musky is even in the same league, let alone bigger. There is just no way it's possible! |
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