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Location: The desert | Luke_Chinewalker - 10/20/2015 8:23 PM
Sadly after more than a dozen years of various board member and fund raising positions in two chapters as well as some committee work at International....the lack of leadership from MI on issues like this one really give me heartburn, causing me to throw in the towel. We should not be the ad hoc group of voices trying to compete with organized people led by a unified voice. This should be the opposite if we had good leadership that could organize us, represent us, and most importantly work this to its end well before a meeting like this one coming up where clearly decisions have already been made. They are just going through the motions because they have to. At this point, I think the only voice that will matter is one that comes with credibility that cannot be challenged by either party. That is not a muskie person. IMO...it is a well known walleye professional who can tell these uneducated people they just are not adapting to the changes in the fishery and prove the fish are still there and can be caught. Have him bring a weigh-in bag full of fish he caught right before the meeting and tell them how he caught them.
The issue has very little to do with actual walleye fishing. Bringing a walleye angler in would really do nothing. The walleye "issue" is just a facade. If you've followed the progression of this fight against muskies it's gone from muskies are AIS (laughable), muskies are eating the walleye (not supported by fisheries data), to public safety for the grandkids on the dock. This "issue" is really about one thing, and one thing only. Use of the lake.
Your ideas of stronger, more organized leadership would be great. But I don't know that it would stop these "issues".
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| Pointer I think you are absolutely correct about the issue being the use of the lake not the fact there are muskie in the lake. Now, if they could just figure out how to keep all those North Dakota people in North Dakota on the weekends they could have their lake all to themselves. |
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Location: Alex or Alek? | Hey now...... Not all of us are bad.... |
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| Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that, but I think that is the mentality of the ones that want to stop muskie stocking. They don't like muskie anglers using THEIR lake early in the AM or late into the night. |
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Location: Alex or Alek? | No I hear you. We do get a bad rep, and don't get me wrong their are plenty of "nodaks" that vacation in that area. But I wouldn't be surprised that a lot of the cabin owners that don't want muskies are from Fargo. I'll be making my first Fargo chapter muskies inc meeting this next Monday and am guessing the meeting will be a topic. If not I will be rallying the troops.
"EDIT" I'm a transplant from the cities area. So many jobs up here. Just no close muskie lakes 
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Location: Almond, WI | Pointerpride102 - 10/20/2015 8:52 PM
The issue has very little to do with actual walleye fishing. Bringing a walleye angler in would really do nothing. The walleye "issue" is just a facade. If you've followed the progression of this fight against muskies it's gone from muskies are AIS (laughable), muskies are eating the walleye (not supported by fisheries data), to public safety for the grandkids on the dock. This "issue" is really about one thing, and one thing only. Use of the lake.
That might be the truest thing ever written on the subject. Bottom line is lakefront property owners think they entitled to own the actual water (and control who uses it and what swims in it). There are deep historical reasons why in the US this is not the case and it seems to be under attack more every year. |
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| I just got the all clear for work and school off so if anyone wants to ride with me from the East Bethel area pm me |
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| Not for sure yet but there might be a motor coach provided from the twin cities to this meeting leaving from the north metro on the 29th,,people are working on this it would hold a huge amount of people,,info will get posted if it works out. |
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Location: deephaven mn | Using the term Invasive Species qualifies the Muskie Problem as an Issue should be dealt will by a lake association.
Decreasing, eliminating or eradicating an invasive species is one of the criteria to obtain "Star Lake" designation
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Location: The desert | kap - 10/21/2015 6:47 PM
Using the term Invasive Species qualifies the Muskie Problem as an Issue should be dealt will by a lake association.
Decreasing, eliminating or eradicating an invasive species is one of the criteria to obtain "Star Lake" designation
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Location: Mound, MN | I'll be heading up there next Thursday from the west metro. Haven't decided if I'm bringing the boat yet, but if people need rides I can leave the boat at home and haul folks up there. (Alternatively, if people have empty seats they are looking to fill I could hop in with someone, no sense in everyone driving up there separately.) |
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Location: Alexandria, Minnesota | Hey guys, Awesome to hear guys coming up from the cities, don't know if everyone realize's what a huge deal this is, but we really do need all the support we can get from everyone and I mean everyone that cares about the future of our fisheries here in Minnesota.....
Looking forward to seeing all of you guys there.... |
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| Anyone wanting to follow up from Alex or carpool, we'll be leaving Rudy's Red Eye/Alexandria Holiday Inn parking lot right off 94 at 3:30 10/29. There is also a bus leaving from Thorne Bros at 2pm.
Questions feel free to email me, [email protected]
Below is a well written synopsis of the reality of this situation Please read.
Thanks, Katee
Muskie management in Minnesota is under attack. Without your support our muskie fisheries are in jeopardy. This threat began with a small group of muskie haters on Pelican Lake (one of MN's premier muskie waters). By promoting false information through their lakeshore owners association, they were able to convince the Ottertail County COLA to take action against muskie stocking in Ottertail County. They've gone to great lengths to manipulate local residents into believing muskies are destroying their lakes, and they've gained enough traction to pull the statewide MN Coalition of Lake Associations into the fray as well. Their claims are nothing new. It's the same old story.... "Muskies are eating all the walleyes." Then, when the science proves that completely false, it's "Muskies are eating all the panfish." And when that is also proven false they turn to "Muskies are a threat to public safety and will attack our children." Obviously that doesn't hold water either. In fact, this is nothing more than a re-hashed version of previous efforts by the group "No More Muskies", but they've found a new face and a new voice. There are decades worth of science supporting muskie stocking and proving it has had no negative effects anywhere in Minnesota, but actual facts are not something these people concern themselves with. They use scare tactics and emotional pleas to further their cause.Make no mistake, this threat is serious.
In fact, they have allies in the Minnesota Legislature. Senator Bill Ingebrigtsen has long been opposed to muskies, and in the past has made several attempts to hamper positive muskie management. Senator Ingebrigtsen has aligned himself with this current group and is working to help them stop muskie stocking in Ottertail County. Representative Bud Nornes has joined in as well. Many Legislators see this as a "social" issue and not a biological one, meaning they don't care about the science. If there is enough public outcry against muskie stocking, they can and will write legislation to stop it regardless of the actual facts The groups' current goal is to stop muskie stocking on West Battle, Pelican, and Big Detroit Lakes. These are three of Minnesota's premier trophy muskie waters, in addition to being thriving fisheries for walleyes and panfish. They also intend to stop any possibility of stocking any additional waters in Ottertail County in the future.What must be understood is that this is just the start. This threat goes far beyond Ottertail County. Any traction they gain will be used to promote this same type of action across the state. If this isn't stopped dead in it's tracks it will have serious implications for every muskie water in Minnesota.
The only way to stop this is with your support.
This is not the time to be complacent. We need EVERYONE who cares about muskies anywhere in Minnesota to take action. There is a meeting being held on Thursday, October 29th in Fergus Falls at the Otter Tail Power Community Room. 215 South Cascade Street. The meeting is from 6:00-8:00 pm. It is extremely important that we have a very strong presence of muskie supporters at this meeting. The Pelican Lakes association is aggressively promoting attendance by anyone opposed to muskies. We need to show them, the DNR, and the Legislators that we support muskies. Please pass this information on, and ask everyone who can to attend the meeting. Lastly, please call and/or email the two involved Legislators, as well as the DNR Commissioner, letting them know you support muskie stocking, and proactive muskie management statewide. As always, be polite and courteous. We win these battles because we take the high road and stick to science, facts, and common sense.
Tom Landwehr (DNR Commissioner)
[email protected]
Senator Bill Ingebrigtsen
[email protected]
Representative Bud Nornes
[email protected]
Please make those phone calls, send the e-mails, and try to attend the meeting! Thank you.
MN Muskie and Pike Alliance co-chairs Aaron Meyer and John Underhill
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Location: minocqua, wi. | where is MI on the subject? i mean the National Leadership?? |
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Location: US | I'm 250 miles away, so emails sent. I hate to think that one small group of wealthy individuals thinks they can decide what happens with a body of public water. If they suceed, it will no doubt set a dangerous precident. Thank you to all who live closer that are taking the time represent us there! |
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| If they checked the statistics of muskie attacks versus drowning, they shouldn't let there kids swim anyways. Keep them away from the water. Period. I'm guessing there kid is probably infinitely more likely to drown rather than be attacked by a muskie. |
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| Good point, in addition to drowning accidents there is also the risk of breaking your neck diving off the dock |
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Location: St Paul MN | The Twin Cities chapter of Muskies inc. is providing a motor coach for transportation
to the public meeting in Fergus Falls. we will be leaving from Thorne Brothers around
2pm returning between 11-11:30pm. we are looking to fill the bus. call your friends
sisters, brothers, anyone to get as many pro muskie people as we can fit. donations accepted but NOT required. |
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| Where is Muskies Inc on this? |
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| Muskies Inc will be at the meeting in full force has usual????
The best way to handle this is let the local chapters deal with it they are going to be the most familiar with problem and have the best connections.
The Vikingland and fargo Moorhead chapters are some of the first chapters ever organised and with very intelligent,active,passionate people,,,couldn't be in better hands.
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| TCMI muskie express can't wait to go!!! |
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Location: Minneconia | I'll be there. |
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| 4 children have died in MN since 2008 due to that Amoeba in the water. Drownings not related to boating account for 26 to 50 deaths annually as well during that timeframe. THEN we add n Musky attacks into the fray and we have exactly 2 reported attacks where muskies (possibly pike?) have bitten someone. One was in 1995 on Lake Rebecca while the other was in 2010 on Lake Calhoun.
So these clowns are worried about the docile musky sitting under their dock, but aren't concerned with something else that is killing people on an alarming rate? They are more worried about a bite than someone who might end up dead due to drowning?
Yep, makes complete sense.
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| I see the focus for these groups from here on out is the Muskie's are an invasive species to their lake and therefore must be eliminated. |
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Location: deephaven mn | so the DNR is intentionally stocking an Invasive Species into Minnesota Lakes?
Where is the Logic there? |
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Location: Alexandria, Minnesota | What these moron's from these lake associations do not realize is that Walleye's have been stocked in many of these lakes and are not natural to some of them, and will no to very little natural reproduction of walleyes on some lakes like Miltona the population of catchable walleyes would not exist. Really what this is about is lake usage, the rich people want the lake to themselves and don't want other to be able to fish on THEIR lake. When this meeting was originally set up the time was set for 10am, knowing that no one that works for a living and supports Muskie stockings would be able to make it to the meeting....So now that the times are better for people to make it there, we as muskie angler's need to step up to plate and do our part and make it there.... |
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| I'm not a resident of MN but fish there a lot and when I do it's mostly muskie fishing. This appears to have potential as a state wide issue as to who will control the use of these public waters. Is it to early for MN residents to contact their local reps & state senators and voice their concerns over what is afoot over the use of these public lakes? |
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Location: varies | The PMTT championship needs to be on Pelican next year!!! |
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| rodbender - 10/23/2015 4:34 PM
The PMTT championship needs to be on Pelican next year!!!
I think everyone who attends the meeting should bring their boat and fish Pelican the day after the meeting!!!! Hahaha |
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Location: The desert | Pepper - 10/23/2015 3:57 PM
I'm not a resident of MN but fish there a lot and when I do it's mostly muskie fishing. This appears to have potential as a state wide issue as to who will control the use of these public waters. Is it to early for MN residents to contact their local reps & state senators and voice their concerns over what is afoot over the use of these public lakes?
It's never too early. |
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