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Ferrari F4
64' Hatteras
1200 acres with 1500' of lakeshore on the big V
Titanium Rolex with Diamond backface
Membership at Augusta
Oceanfront in Naples
Pelagic crankbait
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Really, no Hatteras? The injustice of it all.... |
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Location: Elk Grove Village, IL & Phillips, WI | They look fantastic, but they are way out of my price-range! I drive a 2005 Expedition, I fish out of either a 14 foot row boat (circa 1960s) or my 1991 SmokerCraft pontoon. Heck, I still own and use my Aurora, Steve Worrall signature rods along with various other new and/or used rods that I have picked up along the way. I'd love to own a couple, but they are way off my radar at this time! |
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Location: central Wisconsin | A couple of good points scattered about in this thread. First of all kudos to St. Croix for bringing out a high end rod for a relatively small customer base. I have owned SC rods for 30+ years, love the fact that they are built in Wis. I currently own 5 LT's (4 muskie, 1 walleye) I will have to see the new rods but will have a hard time justifying paying near $600 by the time tax is added. Got two kids getting married this year. I probably will be more inclined to pick up another LT off the buy/sell forum for about 1/3 the Elite price. |
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| Now I have to decide between ordering a 2015 Challenger Hellcat or buying a couple of new rods.
Mnmusky, original box, very nice! |
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| The sticker shock on top of the line rec gear is shocking.
SHOCKING I SAY!
Seriously though the real story in this thread is 12' is the new 9' for big rubber. But first, lets all keep reeling at having discovered top-shelf goods carry a premium.
Also that Pocket Fisherman combo is awesome! |
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Location: Wisconsin | I guess I can always go back to Cabelas and work for my St Croix discount. Miss that. |
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| I drive a 99 F150 with 205k and some rust, have a 95 Nitro with a 60 out back in great shape. They both work just fine for me :). If and when they do make this rod in a 9ft XH version with a full 18" grip and hopefully change the front handle Id buy one. I think having the best rod/reel combo Ill be holding in my hands all day is more important then how I get to the water or my boat. For now they just dont have anything that interests me in this line up. If you like the style and sizes they have announced they are awesome rods. |
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Location: mercer wi | What reel would be best suited for these new rods? |
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| That would depend on the rod you choose. Ill say I think a Tranx would be awfully heavy and unbalanced on any of them. |
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Location: South-Central VA | achotrod - 1/13/2015 12:34 PM
If and when they do make this rod in a 9ft XH version with a full 18" grip and hopefully change the front handle Id buy one.
When St Croix starts taking custom orders, you'll probably have one to buy.
That's why God made custom rod builders. Every factory rod is a compromise of sorts. There will never be a rod out there that everyone on the market likes. It will be too long, too short, the handle will be too skinny, too fat, etc, etc, etc. It doesn't matter what rod is being discussed, some people like it, some people don't.
What many of us don't seem to realize is that when running a business like St Croix, you have to provide a product that appeals to the most people while compromising the least. There are very few fishermen that want rods under 7'6" or over 8'6". Their lineup reflects this. The majority of fishermen also don't want an 18" rear grip length, it's too long for most people's taste. St Croix's handle designs follow what most people want.
Sure, there are guys that want a 6' rod and there are guys that want a 10'6" rod. Some guys want a 20" rear grip and some want a 12" rear grip. These people are not the target audience for St Croix- they are on the extreme edges of the bell curve (remember that from grade school? I just made myself feel old. LOL). If they built rods like you described above, they would eventually go bankrupt. There isn't enough of a market to support a rod with those dimensions.
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Location: mercer wi | .great point jeremy. When st croix lets loose these blanks to builders these guys can cut 2" off tip, adda foot to rear n put full cork on them. Then pay $800 for them. Again buy one or dont.:-) thanks for listening |
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| I am 5'8" and love 9' rods. I am happy with my slingblade and my 9' TI XXH. To me a lighter rod is not important. That's what I think. The thing that tires me the most is reeling in double tens not rod weight. The rods sound amazing though. |
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| Would be interesting to look back in the archives of this forum to see all the guys who said they would never spend the money for a LT rod when those came out. My guess is that there were a fair amount of people who were resistant to the pricing then. |
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Location: mercer wi | People would spend more if the rod was more. Doesnt matter. Its new n exciting. People need to think that this will make them a better fisherman. Ive been guily of that train of thought back in the day when you couldnt catch a musky without a ranger, 600 rod n reel, 6000 in electronics. Its a comfort thing. would love to try one but im good with whst I guess is only the 2nd best rod on market. :-):-) |
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Location: The desert | I think we're missing the bigger question, do they have a trolling model? |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | Pointerpride102 - 1/13/2015 4:43 PM
I think we're missing the bigger question, do they have a trolling model?
ask JMich the troll ... |
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| It's no different than a Dodge Viper or Chevy Corvette. By offering a flagship model, they accomplish three things:
1) They are able to engineer and develop the product of the future with materials and features that someday will be more common.
2) There are people who will pay it. As long as there is a market, there will be a product.
3) By making a flagship product at such a 'crazy' price point, it makes their other offerings appear cheaper. A $350 st croix seems a lot less expensive now that there is a $500 version out there. Many people will continue to think that St. Croix offers 'the best' product on the market.. and while they may not sell 100,000 $500 rods, they will likely see increased sales in there $200 and $350 dollar offerings.
As to the 9 foot discussion... I'm sure that the models offered are based on what is currently the most popular length and action musky rods beings sold, BUT I also believe that isn't necessarily an accurate predictor of what people want in a $500 offering.. I think most people buying a $500 rod likely use a 9+ footer somewhere in their arsenal, though I may be wrong. Either way, if they see a demand for it, I'm sure it will be offered soon enough.
That's just my 2 cents, and it really doesn't matter much as I don't see myself buying a $350 or $500 rod anywhere in my near future anyway... but dang they look nice!
Edited by FishFinder87 1/13/2015 5:09 PM
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| Oh Im not holding my breath for St Croix to make the rod I described. Thats why I have multiple rods from multiple manufactures. Right now Im loving my Chaos Shock and Awe because its exactly what I was looking for, it would be sweet if it were on the new Croix blank though! I also started out using a 7ft rod thinking a 9ft was huge. Now I basically only throw my 8'6" & 9fters.
BTW Jeremy it was nice to meet you on Sunday we talked for a bit when you were packing up about extending my Sling Blade
Edited by achotrod 1/13/2015 5:21 PM
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Location: South-Central VA | Sorry we didn't have more time, I was in a rush to get out of there! Ended up driving in snow for 7 hours anyway.
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Location: Almond, WI | Landry - 1/13/2015 3:31 PM
I am 5'8" and love 9' rods. I am happy with my slingblade and my 9' TI XXH. To me a lighter rod is not important. That's what I think. The thing that tires me the most is reeling in double tens not rod weight. The rods sound amazing though.
Well, at 5'7" my arms are 1.5" shorter than my 5'5" mother's are--it was actually measured because we got into an argument when I was helping her hang a picture. I'd bet your arms are longer than mine. It's not the 9' part, it's the 18" butt section that every 9' rod I've used has except the Big Nasty (and I plan on ordering one of those) that gives me trouble--it constantly gets caught in my shirt when I tuck it under my arm, and frankly I haven't noticed that big of a difference in leverage as long as I use good casting technique.
Balance is far more important than overall weight...a rod weighs like 11oz. Buy (or make) a rod balancer for anything over 8'.
I'm sure these are great rods...but you can't please all the people all the time. |
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| The best part about a 9fter is figure 8s and launching baits. I have trouble with shorter handles because I cant tuck them against my arm and body as well. Im 5'10 and skinny so a little thicker and longer then the LTs handles work for me better. I mainly toss rubber and 10s. If im not doing that shorter handles are fine.
No worries Jeremy! I could tell you were ready to jam and glad you made it home safe! |
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| Not a Lund or an Escalade or a Peterbilt ! A G3, Toyota Tundra and a Western Star. All free a clear.
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| I totally agree "bturg" Totally agree ! |
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Location: WI | bturg - 1/12/2015 9:37 PM
Things I am not buying:
Ferrari F4
64' Hatteras
1200 acres with 1500' of lakeshore on the big V
Titanium Rolex with Diamond backface
Membership at Augusta
Oceanfront in Naples
Pelagic crankbait
Just thought they should know
Lol. I Wish I would have bought a ferarri 308 when they were 25 grand. Now they average around 60. should have gotten one while I could afford it. two years from now will be over at hundred k. Oh well
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Location: On my favorite lake! | St Croix is making abetter product for Musky fisherman which is terrific. The price is steep but thats like all new technolgy items and they arent skimping on the guides. Those are expensive. Now on the weight, The weight of the rod is really impressive but a moot point until one of the reel manufactutrers also steps up snd make a ridiculouly light reel. I cant notice an ouch or two on my bass / walleye rods. Now 3-5 ounces overall is a different story. |
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| People have hundreds of $10-$20 lures that they don't use but scoff at $500 for something that would actually get time on the water:-) |
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| BenR , Very good point ! I admit I'm guilty of this. I don't for one second doubt the quality of these rods. I love the St. Croix rods I own and use. I guess I just set myself price limits on stuff. My father was a Coal Miner and brought me up more conservative than most. My girls call me CHEAP. I tell them this will keep them from being High Maintance
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| Hello from Germany,
I´m interested in buying a new Legend Elite Musky LEM80MHF. I own the old Top´n Tail and I´m looking for a rod that can cast (about 1oz) more. The Line Wt of the Top´n Tail is mentiond with 30 to 50lb and the new model is mentioned with 30 to 65lb. I cast softbaits (only) from 3,5oz up to 5oz with the old Top´n Tail but i want to fish softbaits that weigh 6oz (0,17kg), too (which is no more comfortable to fish with the old one). This baits I throw very often. Has anyone fished the new model? Is it the right one for me or should i buy the LEM86MHF blank and shorten it by about 2 inches? Thank you guys!
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| As always i believe these will be worth every dollar spent. If and when there is a 9 footer or longer in the lineup i am sure i will find a way to add one to the toolbox. |
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