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| You can't control the pressure, so the best bet is education on fish handling and Catch/Photo/Release. I've given away spare pliers and spreaders to some young guys without them. When I left them they were talking about getting heavier equipment and splitting on a big net and some heavy hook cutters. Plant the seed and hope for the best. |
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Location: MN | BenR - 6/18/2014 10:47 PM
Tim Schmitz - 6/18/2014 10:35 PM
BenR - 6/18/2014 7:09 PM
People wait a lifetime to draw certain tags to hunt, we could make musky fishing draw only and depending on points and such manage it that way. It is hard to see NR draw when residents don't though....
Pretty easy to circumvent that one... I'm just a trophy pike fisherman.. Go ahead prove I'm not.
It was in jest:- )
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| Where are you from? The lakes that I fish I rarely see 5 boats targeting muskie, if I go during the week I'm usually the only boat on the lake. |
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Location: Tomahawk, WI | FAT-SKI, You said it best . |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | I've seen the sport explode over the last 30 years, some come and go some learn and stay. I know one young guy who's father was of the kill every muskie you catch there eating all the walleye bent, who in two years has developed into a very good muskie angler. His father told me they caught 6 preseason muskie while walleye fishing and his son wouldn't let him take them from the water and carefully released them. Our sport needs more young guys like this and if he takes his friends out fishing he can show them the proper way. In the past 30 years I started many people muskie fishing. I showed them how to catch fish, how to handle fish, to respect the resourse. I don't regret it. Guys long dead pointed me in the right direction and I enjoy passing it on. I get ALMOST as much out of getting a newcomer their first big fish as getting it myself. At 71 my remaining years in this sport are limited after casting jerkbaits last evening I was whipped after 4 hours I used to do it for 14.
MAYBE IF THERE WERE FEWER REALITY SHOWS ON TV MORE PEOPLE WOULD STAY HOME! |
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| The beginners just cruise shorelines
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| And for education... The education is out there. Even before I would fish for Musky I knew proper musky handling techniques. Truth is people do what they want as long as it's not breaking the law. How many times were we harped on by parents and teachers who preached safe sex? How many of you actually listened? |
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Location: Hudson, WI | The metro boom is over. Sucks, but it's true. Almost all of the earlier stocked fish are dead, pressure has increased...it's just something we all have to deal with. It's real musky fishing now.
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Location: MN | TomSS20 - 6/19/2014 8:55 AM
"Go ahead prove I'm not." I would look at your digital camera pictures.
Incidental catches. |
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Location: Minneapolis, MN | Moltisanti - 6/19/2014 10:29 AM
The metro boom is over. Sucks, but it's true. Almost all of the earlier stocked fish are dead, pressure has increased...it's just something we all have to deal with. It's real musky fishing now.
At the metro musky tournament on saturday they mentioned that when the tournament first started people would come in saying they had seen 20 fish that day, now most people see 1 or 2 if any at all. |
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| Everyone has the right to fish. Best to just inform the ones using light tackle and no tools that they might be having too much fun. Or maybe they have the right to fish how they want?
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Growing up in Northern WI in the 70/80s there were lots of guys Musky fishing the good lakes that consistently held fish-----but it didn't seem to be such a production as it is now---guys just wind drifting spots/casting in aluminum boats----a 25 hp was a big motor---few had bow mount trolling motors......
Now its seems everyone has a newer Ranger with a 200 hp ---screaming around---fighting for good spots----just way more pretentious/competitive now in my opinion....
In my opinion Im hoping we are seeing the peek of the sport right now related to pressure
-----Im guessing a lot of younger guys who are just getting into it will not stick because the degree of difficulty in catching a fish casting has gone up exponentially at least in my boat the last 15 years or so....
Hoping that lots of guys start to get frustrated and burn out---leaving the lakes with more spots uninhabited by guys constantly pounding them.....
Or I could be wrong and it continues to get worse----We could all go back to Walleye /Pan fishing like our fathers..lol...at least like my father......
I do agree with the premise of the original post.........
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| The guy who mentioned the muskie tag or stamp had an interesting idea. It would pretty much take care of incidental harvest as most anglers that chase other stuff probably wouldn't buy a muskie stamp. |
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Location: Hudson, WI | dami0101 - 6/19/2014 10:41 AM
Moltisanti - 6/19/2014 10:29 AM
The metro boom is over. Sucks, but it's true. Almost all of the earlier stocked fish are dead, pressure has increased...it's just something we all have to deal with. It's real musky fishing now.
At the metro musky tournament on saturday they mentioned that when the tournament first started people would come in saying they had seen 20 fish that day, now most people see 1 or 2 if any at all.
The good thing about it is when you get bit, it's big. It is a little worrisome though...I hardly ever hear of anyone catching a 35 incher anymore. They have to pass 35 to get to 50! |
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| http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_25914335/minnesota-muskies-grow...
To validate my point... |
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Location: Elgin, IL | Like the Disco Era, I believe that it's all sicklical...wait a few years and you'll have your Musky spots to yourself again.
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| Sounds like a lot of whining. How did all of you become proficient at muskie fishing. For the most part if you have been doing this for more than 10 years we all learned as we went. All the people putting out this endless supply of info on muskie fishing, they should also be putting as much work into proper release and fish handling information. |
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Location: Seymour, WI | Nice to see so many people complaining about how bad the musky fishing is in MN ...instead of how easy it is to catch 50 inchers all day long like they did a few yrs ago. Welcome to the real world. |
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Location: Poynette WI. | I've really gotten into musky fishing in the last 6 years and when I look back at how I used to fish them and what I knew about the sport, I've come a long ways. A lot of that is due to sites like muskiefirst, seminars, classes, experienced anglers and last but not least myself. Once i realized all the efforts and responsibilites involved i made it a point to research the sports and fundamentals that go along with it. This is a large part of being a sportsman also. I now take it upon myself to go out of my way to help others become aware of some of the best practices and responsibilites when targeting muskies or any other game for that matter and also where to find this information at. With all the technology and access to information these days, there is no reason that a lot of these unfavorable practices couldnt be avoided sooner than ever.
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Location: Illinois | Maybe the DNR could support this by posting signs, (with basic CPR instructions), at boat ramps on muskie waters and providing information via brochures and seminars. Also, post the fines and penalties for being caught mishandling fish. Any way you slice it, idiots are gonna kill fish. Most of the time, it is not muskie fisherman, it is people who are not fishing for them and catch them by accident. I have seen forty plus inch fish laying in the grass next to the boat ramp. All we can do as people who fish for them is try to provide as much information to beginners and non muskie fisherman as we can and be happy to be out there and fishing. |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | Post pictures of big fish on the net or facebook and you will have lots of company. A friend of mine that did has had over 20 PM's asking Where, How, and will you take me fishing.
His answer is buy a $500 dollar rod and reel, $1000 dollars worth of baits, a years salary on a boat, then spend 1000 hours a year on big fish water.
If you caught them every time it would be bass fishing
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| benckdb - 6/19/2014 3:15 PM
Maybe the DNR could support this by posting signs, (with basic CPR instructions), at boat ramps on muskie waters and providing information via brochures and seminars. Also, post the fines and penalties for being caught mishandling fish. Any way you slice it, idiots are gonna kill fish. Most of the time, it is not muskie fisherman, it is people who are not fishing for them and catch them by accident. I have seen forty plus inch fish laying in the grass next to the boat ramp. All we can do as people who fish for them is try to provide as much information to beginners and non muskie fisherman as we can and be happy to be out there and fishing. Actually the sign idea would be a good thing for Muskies, Inc. to do. |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | Muskies Canada puts up signs to point out the differences between Pike & Muskies they are stolen as fast as erected. Need ugly signs. |
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Location: MN | I'll add a couple more points for food for thought.
Musky fishing is one of the few outdoor sports/hobbies that is seeing participation increase instead of decrease. Many of the other outdoor sports enthusiasts would be envious. Growing popularity gives us a voice to be heard and it gives our sport a future.
Many other sports have a large amount of participants with terrible ethics with very little education out there to improve it. Just go out on a duck swamp in MN or WI in October and you will see what I am talking about. The musky community has come a long way in the last several years to protect our sport for the future-CPR, proper equipment, muskie clubs, new laws, etc. and there are tons of resources out there educating people about it. The same thing cannot be said for many other outdoor sports.
Growing popularity should be considered a good thing. We just need to do our best to educate those interested in our sport. Outdoor enthusiasts have always been the number one advocate and supporter to protect the habitat and wildlife. Same goes for musky fisherman and muskies.
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Location: Minneapolis, MN | Smell_Esox - 6/19/2014 3:37 PM
benckdb - 6/19/2014 3:15 PM
Maybe the DNR could support this by posting signs, (with basic CPR instructions), at boat ramps on muskie waters and providing information via brochures and seminars. Also, post the fines and penalties for being caught mishandling fish. Any way you slice it, idiots are gonna kill fish. Most of the time, it is not muskie fisherman, it is people who are not fishing for them and catch them by accident. I have seen forty plus inch fish laying in the grass next to the boat ramp. All we can do as people who fish for them is try to provide as much information to beginners and non muskie fisherman as we can and be happy to be out there and fishing. Actually the sign idea would be a good thing for Muskies, Inc. to do.
The DNR already has signs at all the boat launches at the lakes I fish that point out that it is a musky lake, says the minimum length to keep, and has pictures of a musky and a pike, and Tiger if applicable. The problem though is that they are usually off to the side and there's nothing really calling your attention to it. So unless you actually go gee, I wonder what that sign over there is about, and then go look at it, people probably aren't going to see it. I don't know if this applies to lakes with multiple launches as I only fish lakes with single launch locations. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | a jersey, a stamp, a special license and approval from muskies inc. and i think you've got it covered ... |
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Location: Smith Creek | jonnysled - 6/19/2014 4:39 PM
a jersey, a stamp, a special license and approval from muskies inc. and i think you've got it covered ...
Don't forget the GoPro. All details of the outing must be recorded and peer reviewed to ensure no unethical activity took place. |
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Location: one foot over the line | I can see it now... airing on A&E tonight: "The Muskie Dynasty" or "The Muskie Commander"... |
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| Everyone has the same right to fish.. Just because someone is new to the sport doesn't mean you should wish they quit it.. If you see someone without the proper gear or improperly handling a fish, talk to them. Educate them, invite them to a muskies inc group. I've been fishing my whole life and just started seriously chasing muskies in the last couple of years..I've learned A LOT during that time. I had no idea how much different musky fishing is from anything else or the tools and handling techniques needed. I finally have all the right gear and feel like I know what I am doing. I've also gotten myself and 3 others to join Muskies inc and have been regularly attending meetings.... At the chapter banquet, raffles, and other fundraisers, between us and our girlfriends, we've easily spent over 1000 dollars to help our chapter, sport, and fisheries over the last six months. We 'amateurs' are the future of this sport and the future of these fisheries. The key is not getting mad at people new to sport.. Instead, encourage them to become more involved and teach them about it. I would bet that most people you see using 10lb mono or holding fish wrong have no idea that they are doing something wrong.. Talk to them, ask them how they are doing, how long they've been fishing, etc.. Give them a few pointers, and invite them to club meeting. I was fortunate to have a good friend who grew up fishing ski's teach me a lot and even more fortunate to have been invited into muskies inc, where I can't thank everyone enough for the wealth of information I've learned there. The young guys are the future of the sport.. and its too #*^@ exciting to just 'give it up' so we're not going anywhere!! The new guys are paying the same fee for their license and ramp permit as you are- they've got the same rights to fish as you do. If your attitude is really that you wish new fishermen would just quit, then you are the real problem- not the new guys. You're probably the same guy that later complains that kids nowadays don't play outside, all they do is play on their phones... Not trying to get personal, just playing devil's advocate here. Looking forward to a musky tournament this weekend, will see you on the water!
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| Flambeauski - 6/19/2014 5:54 PM
jonnysled - 6/19/2014 4:39 PM
a jersey, a stamp, a special license and approval from muskies inc. and i think you've got it covered ...
Don't forget the GoPro. All details of the outing must be recorded and peer reviewed to ensure no unethical activity took place.
This pretty much nails it !  Likely need a Muskies Canada card too --some of the youngsters might get to LOTW or Eagle .
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