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| I honestly thought you were just trolling with this thread lol. I get your reasoning but the truest most fanatical concern for the fish would not be to avoid taking a picture but to leave them alone entirely instead of ramming hooks through their beaks. Assuming a person lands them quickly and safely handles them in the water... picking them up for a QUICK 10 second out of water photo shouldn't do much if any additional harm. Now if people are over handling fish and having them out of the water a long time then AGREED, big problem.
I don't think there's a right or wrong answer to what fish size deserves a picture (depending on the angler) but I feel if the fish is handled correctly it isn't going to matter either way.
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Location: The desert | Slamr - 6/13/2014 8:27 AM
Please allow me to retort (while acknowledging I am probably crazy in this way and others): so often we as muskie anglers take the care and treatment of captured muskies to a a nearly fanatical place. We advocate for water releases, raising money for stocking, raising size limits to allow for more bigger fish, appropriate holds, not fishing when the water is above a certain temperature...but then when we are on the water, if we catch it, we should photograph it. Now this portion of my argument is going to sound a bit peta-ish, but it's the truth: hooking fish is bad, yanking hooks out of their faces is bad, and holding fish out of the water where they can't breath is also bad.
I fully understand the "first fish, unusual fish, fish with wife, fish with mom, fish on a new body of water, fish with kids" pics, I really do. I also understand the feeling that we spend so much time, so much money to pursue these fish so therefore we can reward ourselves with a pic.
BUT, the more we stress fish, the higher the chances for delayed mortality. AND, if we're truly committed to more and bigger fish, shouldnt we be doing everything we can to minimize delayed mortality on the fish that will hopefully become those more and bigger fish?
Are muskies declining because of pictures of small fish?
If not, then your idea is unfounded and anal retentive. We tout the effectiveness of C&R, or CPR. The P standing for photo. This suggests that cameras have been used to document catches of fish of all sizes for years with little detriment to musky populations. Cameras today are faster, take better pictures, and allow you to view to ensure a good picture (rather than taking multiple film pictures, lengthening the out of water time) which makes the photograph experience very short.
Yes, I'm bored. Yes, your stance is crazy. Though the apocalypse fish reference was great. |
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| Hate it. If it is someones first, ok. If you have been there, act like it. They don't come out of the water.
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| Probably is all relative, I fished in places where they "shake off" anything under 48" or so. So I guess tiny is geographic:) |
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| I don`t think most people who have caught ton of big fish really take many pictures of small ones. Also I look at it different because all our waters are non native and stocked. They fish are put there for us to enjoy anyway. |
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Location: Metro, MN | ToddM - 6/12/2014 6:13 PM
As long as the fish are handled properly like any other caught, wgaf?
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Captain,
Those are Pike
I whacked them on the head and filleted them. The hold doesn't matter much then...right?
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Location: minocqua, wi. | Fib n a Rat Pics are my favorites ... |
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Location: Dane Country | Yes, you are crazy. To each their own. You know what bugs me. All the traffic these people from Il. creates coming up here every weekend from Il. Now thats annoying
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Location: Lake Tomahawk, WI | ToddM - 6/12/2014 6:13 PM
As long as the fish are handled properly like any other caught, wgaf?
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| sworrall - 6/13/2014 9:47 PM
Captain,
Those are Pike
I whacked them on the head and filleted them. The hold doesn't matter much then...right?
you missed my Sarc in my post. I was joking. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | So was I.  |
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| I go by how healthy the fish is and time how long out of the water.... no picture fast enough fish goes in the water.... if fish is super tired or beat up (haven't run into) I would skip picture. I don't mind people taking pictures of any size as long as handled carefully and quickly.
I do try to convince people to do horizontal holds. Last small one I had one I quickly got off and got yelled by someone else for dissing smaller fish catches. I guess I forgot boat buddies hadn't seen many.
The next 34 incher I caught I brought in boat... unhooked at side.... but she flopped..... and had verticle hold for a second... I scowled but she calmed down and I rushed her into the water. Company still shock head BUT it was an opportunity to explain and fish was healthy and swam off beautifully... still always worry about dropping one... I did have her pointed to drop in the water.
Holds horizontal, try to keep them in the water as much as possible.... when taking pics support full body, hold under jaw, never ever touch their gills so slide hand firmly outside jaw, and hold the fish so if flops you can drop it in the water rather then in the boat....
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| 10 seconds out of the water for a picture? WOW I think that is pretty ummmmm hard to do... I always say less then a minute! |
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Location: Ontario, Canada | Don't be a fish snob! Not everyone has boated hundreds of big fish! Its a natural progession to take less pics as you catch more and bigger fish. That being said, if they are handled well and released quickly Its each anglers business if he wants a pic! |
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| sworrall - 6/14/2014 9:48 AM
So was I. :)  |
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| I think it depends on the angler. Not all of us are pros, fish every day and know where they are at all times or have the best lakes to catch fish on. Some people fish their entire lives for muskies and never catch a big one if they even get one at all. So I say any fish that is important to you is pic worthy. Little muskies may not be cool to some of you but they sure are to most of us. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Tinier fish picture, with even tinier fish pictures inside the tiny picture.
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| Haha! Steve keep it up and you might get banned for posting those tiny pics. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I POST tiny fish pics in your general direction!
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Location: Contrarian Island | I get your point Slamr but most experienced guys handle all muskies with respect, I'd venture to say most of the guys I fish with even go to extreme handling the little ones, ie, not netting them, and being ultra careful getting the hooks out as their small size they are more vulnerable....but... all muskies are fun... even the little ones... now I don't take pics of too many small ones unless it's for league or we are just goofing around..but for the guys that do, it doesn't bother me as long as they are handling them right...a quick pic isn't going to hurt... even the little ones are cute!
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| I see your point. How many pictures of 35"ers do you need? At the same time, I think we're doing more damage hoisting up bigger heaver fish for pictures after a long fight than we are taking pictures of the small ones. How many in the 30" to 40" size range have you caught that are gone about the same time their belly touches the water vs the ones over 45" that take quite a while to revive? |
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Location: oswego, il | One things for sure we need more musky police! Second that, we need more musky vigilantes.
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Location: Grinnell, Iowa | You post a picture of a musky on any forum and more than likely it's going to get ripped apart for something. It's too small, it's not as big as you claim, you're hold isn't right, you're sticking your arms out while posing for the pic, blah blah blah, etc etc etc. I swear a lot of guys on here must fish angry all the time being that worried about what everyone else is doing. You take the fun right out of the sport. Enjoy your time on the water, enjoy the moment of the catch, enjoy the stories you tell later. And if that means whiping out a photo of a 13 incher that slammed your bait like he thought he was a 43 incher to go along with your story then so what. I will look at your picture and listen to your story everytime. That is just as much a part of our sport as the CPR is. |
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| You need to take up Tarpon fishing cause even though you land them....good luck on getting good pics. I've got several to my name and all horrible pics. I've learned a long time ago...don't sweat the small stuff. It's a fish...what might be meaningless to one might mean the world to them. |
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Location: In a shack in the woods | Personally I don't take pics of small fish but if it's a special fish for someone go for it. |
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| I do to take pics of fish that are not real big but that's just me. I usually have it released before my buddy can get his phone ready. But it does not bOther me at all if other people take pics of small fish that are handled properly. |
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Location: oswego, il | How do people feel about small fish pics but you take the lure you caught it on and hang it in its jaw! Whoah! Controversy! |
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Location: Green Bay, Titletown, WI | It's still winter??????? |
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