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Location: minocqua, wi. | Targa01 - 2/5/2014 7:35 PM
Last spring my Muskie fishing suffered some.........just because I had a hard time putting the jigging rod away! That long shallow water walleye bite just lasted and lasted; had to by a few new packs of grubs as they were getting chewed.
Other than that I got action once I picked up the big stuff. Nothing big but action. Really didn't Muskie fish much last year. But I'm sick of the cold as well!
that plus the smallie fishing made it really hard to want to musky fish for quite awhile! |
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Location: The desert | I'll be honest I didn't read much beyond the headers and the abstract but it pretty I'm pretty sure it shoots down Herb_b's ideas.
http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/2008BAMS2370.1
Plenty more out there as well.
It's fine to skeptical that governmental action is going to change the climate, and it shouldn't be political leverage. But the idea that the globe isn't warming is false. Yes, the earth goes through warming and cooling periods. But 20-30 years isn't a period. That's a brief data point amongst hundreds and thousands of years.
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| The slope of the average monthly sea ice extent in August would disagree...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/files/2013...
Stop spewing lies herb. Thanks. |
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Location: Waukesha, WI, USA | My head hurts |
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Location: Elgin, IL | I will believe whatever Maria Larosa and Jen Carfagno want me to believe.
I don't care about the rest of it. |
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Location: Hayward, WI | Targa01 - 2/5/2014 7:35 PM
Last spring my Muskie fishing suffered some.........just because I had a hard time putting the jigging rod away! That long shallow water walleye bite just lasted and lasted; had to by a few new packs of grubs as they were getting chewed.
Other than that I got action once I picked up the big stuff. Nothing big but action. Really didn't Muskie fish much last year. But I'm sick of the cold as well!
Same for me! I don't think I picked up a musky rod till July last year. I regretted it somewhat later, but had a great spring/early summer for walleyes. |
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Location: oswego, il | Northwind Mark - 2/6/2014 7:03 AM
I will believe whatever Maria Larosa and Jen Carfagno want me to believe.
I don't care about the rest of it.
I am with Mark on this one. |
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Location: Maple Grove, MN | Hey, I know. What if a person would start studying how global warming affects Muskie fishing? Maybe one could get a half million dollar grant to go fishing and then write up a paper claiming that global warming is the reason that the dang fish are hard to catch? "The fish used to bite better before it got so warm in July - like it does every year or something". One could get rich and further a cause. (Mostly just get rich.) Of course, one would have to become politically involved and contribute to the correct people first. Might work though. You think? 
All joking aside, that type of thing is happening on a massive scale right now and we are paying for it - 2 billion a year. That is what global warming is all about. Follow the money. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | Herb_b - 2/6/2014 6:26 PM
Hey, I know. What if a person would start studying how global warming affects Muskie fishing? Maybe one could get a half million dollar grant to go fishing and then write up a paper claiming that global warming is the reason that the dang fish are hard to catch? "The fish used to bite better before it got so warm in July - like it does every year or something". One could get rich and further a cause. (Mostly just get rich. ) Of course, one would have to become politically involved and contribute to the correct people first. Might work though. You think?
All joking aside, that type of thing is happening on a massive scale right now and we are paying for it - 2 billion a year. That is what global warming is all about. Follow the money.
all one has to do is open ones computer and read one post and one is in one's glory of laughter.
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Location: Elk River, MN | So my question is - - what is the bet if we get to fish spawning this year?
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Location: Greenfield, WI | The true cause of Global Warming (if it exists) is hot air emanating from politicians, uninformed media types, and eco-nuts looking to dictate how everyone else must live!
Al Gore taught me how real Global Warming was when he continually flew all over the world on his private jet to dictate to us as to how we must live!
There, now that we got that out of the way, let's talk fishin'!
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | Steve,
Al Gore is a great guy!! It is all because of him that I am able to talk to you on here. 
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| Herb. My headache is back. Thanks. |
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Location: oswego, il | I would say the hot air spewed from fox, MSNBC, the radio nut jobs right and left contribute a ton. I know people who bite into this crap like a crack addict. |
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Location: Maple Grove, MN | What concerns me are decisions based on political movements and the unintended and disastrous consequences that often follow. Back in the 60s and 70s, there was a major political movement based on fear of not being able to feed the growing populations and the potential for an ice age. That movement created a huge push for county, state and federal governments to increase tillable farm acreage. There were huge government funded drainage systems built all over the mid-west and farmers were encouraged to ditch and tile their land to increase their tillable acreage. My own father received government funds to dig ditches on our farm. There was a significant increase in tillable acreage, but there were also serious consequences. What that got us was massive loss of wetlands that has decimated waterfowl populations and degraded water quality in the rivers and lakes, which caused many fisheries to be disrupted by loss of viable spawning habitat. The increased tillable acreage caused over-production of cash crops by the late 70s and early 80s and that, in turn, led to to much lower grain prices that crippled the farming economy.
And now I see it all happening again. Another cause based on fear and questionable science that threatens to cause more problems. The push for ethanol fuels has led to many marginal acres going back into cash-crop production and that, in turn, will almost certainly cause even more damage to the water-shed. (This can negatively affect fish populations too you know.) The drive for "renewable" energy has led to large wind farms that have killed hundreds of eagles and other protected birds. The farming economy has become dependent on the government and is once again set up for another major crash. What happens if corn is replaced by something better for ethanol production? What happens if ethanol loses its luster and is no longer required as a gas additive?
I suppose maybe some don't care much if the rivers and lakes are dirty, a lot of eagles are destroyed or if the farming economy takes another major hit. As long as it is their political party doing it, they don't care. And it seems both political parties have a hand in it so......  |
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | Herb_b - well said. Politicians and experts are simply marketing their distorted views of our world. Unfortunately, way to many folks buy into their proposals. The family farm is becoming a historic legacy in the USA. In many countries its still a vibrant part of the economy. Growing up on a family farm in WI during the 50's & 60's, I too remember the ditching and tiling of fields. Tiling fields with plastic tubing is a big fad again here around Mauston WI. Sand mines for fracking sand are popping up all over Central WI. They provide jobs.............?????? LOL- you can never have to much sand or can you? No one is talking about impact on local water tables and environmental changes. Fields that once produced a variety of crops, have now been converted to cranberry beds, large tracts of mixed hardwoods removed from the landscape. Our family farmers understood stewardship of the land and their environment. I know these things because our home farm is now an 80 acre island in a sea of cranberry beds and sand mines. The pressure to sell is mounting.........
We have way to much goverement intereference. The greedy will always use it to their advantage... mega farmers get mega payments from the goverment, while our poorer citizens struggle with +$1000 bills for 200 gallons of propane. Yes, the Fed's quickly stepped in to provide some pitance to the poor. They don't address the root cause, e.g., the greed of the producers and all of the middlemen. Ethanol is a pie in the sky environmental scheme, are all those tractors and trucks burning ethanol? Its all a house of cards.
Global climite change from polution is real - is it getting warmer or cooler? Anyone who's ever studied statistics can easily mislead those who haven't? I really love statistical averaging......You can see what we've done to our planet from space!
Me, I'm going to Cliff Lake this year and reconnect and unwind, even though I know the insanity still rages. Muskie fishing is about as good as it gets.............go fish!
Have fun!
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Location: Hayward, Wisconsin | Yep, global warming:
http://www.mlive.com/weather/index.ssf/2014/02/great_lakes_added_11...
February 07, 2014
Great Lakes ice cover spreading rapidly; see which lake set a new record
By Mark Torregrossa | For MLive.com
Ice continued to build this past week on the Great Lakes due to the cold air and temperatures staying below freezing, and Lake Superior's new record shows it.
The lake is 92 percent frozen, toppling a 20-year-old record of 91 percent set on Feb. 5, 1994. That statistic helped total Great Lakes ice cover soar, and we can expect to see more form in coming days.
The air temperatures this past week averaged around five degrees below normal for the Great Lakes area. This amount of deviation from normal means it was a fairly cold week.
As of February 5, 2014, the entire Great Lakes system is now reportedly covered 77 percent with ice, according to the Great Lakes Environmental Research Laboratory. Last week at this time the ice cover was 66 percent. The 77 percent ice cover now still lags behind 1994, when the entire Great Lakes system had an average ice cover of 84 percent on February 5. This data is according to Jia Wang, physical oceanographer at the Great Lakes Environmental Research Center in Ann Arbor, MI.
Let's look at each individual lake.
Lake Superior
Lake Superior is almost frozen over as of yesterday February 5, 2014. Lake Superior is 92 percent covered with ice now. The ice has increased rapidly in the past week, from 76 percent ice cover on January 30, 2014. The high resolution satellite picture from February 3, 2014 shows all of the ice cover on Lake Superior. The current ice cover on Lake Superior is the highest amount ever for February 5. In 1994, Lake Superior was reportedly 91 percent covered in ice.
Lake Michigan
Lake Michigan is now 51 percent covered with ice, as opposed to 42 percent at this time last week. Coyotes were seen walking on the ice just offshore of Chicago this week. This makes us wonder if the lakes freeze over totally, will animals from Canada be able to cross over Lake Huron or Lake Superior, and enter Michigan. It is thought that this is how the last wolverine spotted in Michigan made it into Michigan. Lake Michigan has been covered with more ice on this date in the past. In 1977 and 1996, Lake Michigan was up to 74 percent ice covered.
Lake Huron
Ice cover on Lake Huron rocketed up an additional 14 percent this week, climbing to a total ice cover of 86 percent. If the ice continues to build at that rate in this next week, Lake Huron could be almost frozen over, or frozen over by the end of next week. People ice fishing are reporting 24 inches of ice on Saginaw Bay near Bay City. Lake Huron has been as much at 95 percent covered in ice on this date back in 1981 and 1994.
Lake Erie
Lake Erie is the shallowest of the Great Lakes, with an average depth of 62 feet and a maximum depth of 210 feet. It also has the least volume of any Great Lake, with 116 cubic miles of water. So it should come as no surprise that Lake Erie currently has the highest percentage of ice cover. Lake Erie is 96 percent covered with ice. Last week at this time Lake Erie had 94 percent ice cover. Erie was entirely ice covered on February 5, 1996.
Lake Ontario
Lake Ontario is an interesting lake. It is the smallest Great Lake when it comes to surface area, but actually holds more than three times the amount of water when compared to Lake Erie. The average depth of Lake Ontario is 283 feet, making it the second deepest Great Lake behind Lake Superior. The deepest spot in Lake Ontario is 802 feet. The ice cover on Lake Ontario is the lowest of any of the Great Lakes, with only 32 percent covered in ice. Last week at this time, Lake Ontario had 27 percent ice cover. Lake Ontario has been covered with as much as 79 percent ice up to this point in the winter in 1994.
Will ice continue to grow?
The ice cover should continue to grow at a rapid rate based on temperatures expected in the next few weeks. You may not want to hear this, but I don't see several days in a row cracking the freezing mark until at least February 21. There could be a few hours above freezing late next week, but that won't slow the ice growth. Also, the weather pattern is going to be fairly quiet in the next two weeks. This means lower wind speeds around the Great Lakes, which should help accelerate ice cover growth.
It is going to be close, but we may be living in a historic winter with regards to amount of Great Lakes ice.
We will see some fascinating ice sculptures if we get a big wind that breaks the ice, and piles it up.
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| The key word in global warming is GLOBAL. It's backed by decades of scientific data that shows the average temperature on EARTH as a whole has been increasing slowly but surely.
It seems that whenever there is a cold spell of a few days or a month or even an entire winter season (like this one in the midwest) all of the global warming critics in the area where it's cold speak up and use this as evidence that it doesn't exist.
I think it's real. Maybe it's not as big of a deal as many people make it out to be. Maybe in a few hundred years we will have warmer average temps and a few species will go extinct. Maybe more glacier's will melt and the sea levels will increase and a little bit more land will be under water......eventually.
Even if it's not real, what's the big harm in trying to reduce pollution, trying to explore opportunities in alternative energy and become less dependent on foreign oil. Seems like a good idea to me no matter what the situation is.
At the end of the day, although it's the sad truth, this is how people view global warming:
Democrat = It's real
Republican = It's fake
Independent = Open minded, whatever the research suggests. |
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Location: Greenfield, WI | "Even if it is not real, what's the harm...?"
The harm is attacking energy sources that work while mandating alternate energy sources that can't support themselves without being subsidized.
The answer is utilizing all energy sources, which means using the time tested sources that work, while developing alternate sources and perfecting them until they can support themselves without subsidies without attacking existing sources that work!. |
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Location: MN | The majority of scientist say global warming is happening but it seems you guys have it figured out. They must have all agreed to make this stuff up to mess with us. |
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Location: Greenfield, WI | The "majority" only describes those scientists who are covered and highlighted by the media, not the scientists who would have the audacity to not stand in line with the politically correct! |
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| Yup, it's all a giant conspiracy. The liberal media has done it again! The vast majority of scientists who believe global warming is not real are hiding in fear of shame.
And JFK was killed by a sniper on the grassy knoll. |
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Location: Smith Creek | Isn't it possible that the skeptics are global warming are making money too?
My guess is, a grant from an oil company would be just a lucrative if not more so than a grant from the government.
Stop trying to tell us that the scientists that feel that the planet is warming are simply greedy and those who don't are morally superior. Total BS and hypocritical. |
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Location: Greenfield, WI | The "established science" promoted by the media and many politicians in the late 60's were calling for an upcoming ice age with hundreds of thousands of people starving because of the climate change unless we changed how live.
The "established science" promoted by the media and many politicians in the 80's were calling for global warming with hundreds of thousands of people starving because of the climate change unless we changed how we live.
Science is never established. It by definition is based upon theories which then are investigated and studied.
Science doesn't stop just because it gets to a position which you prefer.
If you like your Doctor you can keep him, if you like your insurance you can keep it......The murders our our Ambassador and his staff at Benghazi was caused by a youtube video....
However, I stand corrected. The media and government could never lie or mislead us.....What was I thinking!?
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| Those scientist who have told us not to breathe the exhaust from you car also lied to us!!! I think this global climate change thing was all started by the companies selling sunscreen, and then the computer and internet companies took over. That way parents won't want their kids to be outside, because it's so dangerous, and they will then buy more technology gadgets to keep them occupied. I seriously believe this too, but forgot to take my meds today. |
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| Steve Van Lieshout - 2/9/2014 1:36 PM
The "established science" promoted by the media and many politicians in the late 60's were calling for an upcoming ice age with hundreds of thousands of people starving because of the climate change unless we changed how live.
The "established science" promoted by the media and many politicians in the 80's were calling for global warming with hundreds of thousands of people starving because of the climate change unless we changed how we live.
Science is never established. It by definition is based upon theories which then are investigated and studied.
Science doesn't stop just because it gets to a position which you prefer.
So you're saying we'll never know if global warming is real or not? How about if the "established science" continues in the same direction for the next 30 years? When will we know? What is the cutoff? I think you made my point for me, back in the 60's smoking was healthy. I think we are a little bit smarter in 2014 than in 1960. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that research in 2014 is a tad more reliable than in 1960. Just a tad. |
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Location: Greenfield, WI | I'm saying that the one who controls the message should not be allowed to mandate what we MUST do to "save the world" 20-30 years into the future, because their current selected group of scientists and message is declared to be "established science".
We can't predict the climate or weather next week much less in 20-30 years. Each generation feels that they are the best scientists and environmentalists there have ever been which may be true, but NONE of these groups has any track record of being correct on anything in the near future (e.g. predictions on the number and severity of hurricanes and the amount and severity of tornado/severe weather for the next season) or anything far into the future to justify mandating how we MUST live our lives now.
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Location: The desert | Good gravy, some of you should invest in a fact checker... |
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