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have you been ticketed for position fishing a sucker?
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Message Subject: have you been ticketed for position fishing a sucker?
paul
Posted 3/8/2013 1:56 AM (#624088 - in reply to #623878)
Subject: RE: have you been ticketed for position fishing a sucker?


We troll, drift and cast suckers what's the big hoopla about?
My father that is 87 can't hunt, but he can still set a hook, not much for casting but likes exploding muskies on suckers. I guess as long as he can get in the boat I would be open for an fine from stupid rules they make. I didn't know of any rules regarding sucker fishing! Is this just in these counties or state wide?
I feel almost sorry for the bait dealers that are overcharging us for suckers.
Peter Stoltman
Posted 3/8/2013 2:33 AM (#624091 - in reply to #623878)
Subject: Re: have you been ticketed for position fishing a sucker?




Posts: 218


Maybe they should just ban sucker fishing. How's that for an idea? Then we all get to fish the "RIGHT WAY". Whether this question passes or not this year is really moot. It's going to keep on coming up until it does pass and gets the green light from the NRB.
jonnysled
Posted 3/8/2013 5:48 AM (#624112 - in reply to #623878)
Subject: Re: have you been ticketed for position fishing a sucker?





Posts: 13688


Location: minocqua, wi.
can we use electric reels too when it passes? my elbow gets too sore reeling in baits ...

TUFFY
Posted 3/8/2013 7:33 AM (#624153 - in reply to #624010)
Subject: RE: have you been ticketed for position fishing a sucker?





Posts: 376


Location: Cudahy, Wisconsin
KrazyK - 3/7/2013 8:44 PM

I fished with Greg Bohn (guide) who many years ago was guiding two undercover DNR officers and was row trolling when he hooked a fish. As one of the men/officers brought the fish in he repositioned the boat with his trolling motor to avoid runing aground. He still had one line out and never thought twice about it. At the end of the day he was paid and tipped well. Several days later he was ticketed for motor trolling and after several thousands of dollars in legal fees beat the case. It was sad to see such a great and honest fisherman dragged though the B.S. and because of it he quit guiding in Wisconsin. I quess it doesn't matter what you think because if they're gunning for you you don't stand a chance.


^^^ totally false.

Edited by TUFFY 3/8/2013 7:34 AM
J.Sloan
Posted 3/8/2013 8:21 AM (#624167 - in reply to #623878)
Subject: Re: have you been ticketed for position fishing a sucker?





Location: Lake Tomahawk, WI
Know people who straight up motor troll around here and don't get ticketed. Like Steve said, there are no wardens around. We've called on several violations over the last few years and EVERY TIME were told that they (enforcement) couldn't get out there.

JS
ToddM
Posted 3/8/2013 11:59 AM (#624245 - in reply to #623878)
Subject: Re: have you been ticketed for position fishing a sucker?





Posts: 20248


Location: oswego, il
anyone who turns on their trolling motor with a sucker in the water is violating the law. straight from a vilas county dnr officer to my ears. if its on your illegal.
Slow Rollin
Posted 3/8/2013 12:23 PM (#624256 - in reply to #623926)
Subject: Re: have you been ticketed for position fishing a sucker?




Posts: 619


jbmuskie - 3/7/2013 5:32 PM

jonnysled - 3/7/2013 5:23 PM

by "a guy" or by a DNR officer?




By some average Joe...not a DNR Officer.


As in, the "average joe" that posts on here, or use name "average joe"?

Edited by Slow Rollin 3/8/2013 12:24 PM
Shep
Posted 3/8/2013 2:02 PM (#624281 - in reply to #624256)
Subject: Re: have you been ticketed for position fishing a sucker?





Posts: 5874


Slow Rollin - 3/8/2013 12:23 PM
jbmuskie - 3/7/2013 5:32 PM
jonnysled - 3/7/2013 5:23 PM by "a guy" or by a DNR officer?
By some average Joe...not a DNR Officer.
As in, the "average joe" that posts on here, or use name "average joe"?

 

GMGuide!

Northwind Mark
Posted 3/8/2013 3:22 PM (#624313 - in reply to #623878)
Subject: RE: have you been ticketed for position fishing a sucker?





Posts: 566


Location: Elgin, IL
Im not really at liberty to say per my attourney....
jb
Posted 3/8/2013 3:57 PM (#624324 - in reply to #623878)
Subject: RE: have you been ticketed for position fishing a sucker?


The president of our multi species fishing club in Illinois was fishing the Turtle Flambeau 3 years ago. He was up front casting the weeds bass fishing, his wife was sitting in the rear of the boat with a rod with a bobber and a minnow on it. The bobber was in the water. As he moved the boat forward they were approached by a warden and he stated you can not troll. Warden then issued a $264.00 dollar ticket. They and 9 other members of our club has not been back to Wisconsin since.
who
Posted 3/10/2013 7:06 PM (#624931 - in reply to #624153)
Subject: RE: have you been ticketed for position fishing a sucker?


TUFFY - 3/8/2013 7:33 AM

KrazyK - 3/7/2013 8:44 PM

I fished with Greg Bohn (guide) who many years ago was guiding two undercover DNR officers and was row trolling when he hooked a fish. As one of the men/officers brought the fish in he repositioned the boat with his trolling motor to avoid runing aground. He still had one line out and never thought twice about it. At the end of the day he was paid and tipped well. Several days later he was ticketed for motor trolling and after several thousands of dollars in legal fees beat the case. It was sad to see such a great and honest fisherman dragged though the B.S. and because of it he quit guiding in Wisconsin. I quess it doesn't matter what you think because if they're gunning for you you don't stand a chance.


^^^ totally false.


+1
BNelson
Posted 3/11/2013 9:45 AM (#625061 - in reply to #623878)
Subject: Re: have you been ticketed for position fishing a sucker?





Location: Contrarian Island
so 15 yes votes and nobody wants to fess up and tell their story? seems fishy!
WI Duck Guide
Posted 3/11/2013 10:26 AM (#625074 - in reply to #623878)
Subject: Re: have you been ticketed for position fishing a sucker?




Location: Minocqua, WI
allowing dragging meat with one rod per person. Sure. Allowing unrestricted 3 line trolling on all lakes statewide? Terrible idea. This is not just a musky issue. If trolling is legal. Then it is LEGAL. It will not be done just by guys dragging suckers... it will occur for walleyes and muskies all months of the season... The big picture folks... its not a good idea to pass unrestricted 3 line trolling. Even back trolling was outlawed... these practices have been outlawed for a reason...
Jerry Newman
Posted 3/11/2013 10:28 AM (#625075 - in reply to #625061)
Subject: Re: have you been ticketed for position fishing a sucker?




Location: 31

BNelson - 3/11/2013 9:45 AM so 15 yes votes and nobody wants to fess up and tell their story? seems fishy! ;-)

Right, 15 votes simply can’t be accurate (like a lot of these polls), and the results should be disregarded. I didn't vote because “misinformation” like this is just counterproductive.

Even so, in my opinion a better poll would've been if people find the current regulations confusing or not.  However, even on this thread there’s been enough non-solicited posts that dispels Sleds contention that there is not much confusion or concern when people soak suckers while casting.

 

 

WI Duck Guide
Posted 3/11/2013 10:33 AM (#625080 - in reply to #623878)
Subject: Re: have you been ticketed for position fishing a sucker?




Location: Minocqua, WI
On the issue of this polls accuracy... Nobody is getting tickets due to thin enforcement... I logged around 100 days on the water musky fishing alone last season in vilas/oneida/iron/price counties, many times on popular lakes/chains... I saw one warden all season and he was driving down the highway just coming out of the launch. There will never be enough wardens to enforce these policies.

*edited for typo

Edited by WI Duck Guide 3/11/2013 10:39 AM
Ja Rule
Posted 3/11/2013 10:46 AM (#625085 - in reply to #623878)
Subject: Re: have you been ticketed for position fishing a sucker?




Posts: 415


I didn't vote in the poll, no reason to as I've never fished Wisconsin and might not ever. I have stayed out of this debate and will continue to do so. All I can say is for those who question the accuracy of the poll, what did you expect? It's an anonymous poll on a message board where you don't even need a log-in. I'm not gonna lie, I was almost tempted to vote Yes just to rile you guys up. I didn't, but I can see why so many people did.
jonnysled
Posted 3/11/2013 11:16 AM (#625093 - in reply to #623878)
Subject: Re: have you been ticketed for position fishing a sucker?





Posts: 13688


Location: minocqua, wi.
the reason i put this out there is to dispel the notion that trolling should be legalized due to the "problem" of confusion when "trolling" suckers. it's an effective scare-tactic to go along with the bullying and that's about it.

WI Duck Guide ... good assessment of the larger issue at-hand.


Edited by jonnysled 3/11/2013 12:06 PM
dcorfman
Posted 3/11/2013 12:22 PM (#625117 - in reply to #623878)
Subject: Re: have you been ticketed for position fishing a sucker?




Posts: 130


Location: Madison, WI
From reading this thread, it sounds like at least some people have had issues with or are confused by position fishing.

WI Duck Guide - "The big picture folks... its not a good idea to pass unrestricted 3 line trolling. Even back trolling was outlawed... these practices have been outlawed for a reason..."

Why is it not a good idea to pass unrestricted 3 line trolling?
Why were the practices of back trolling outlawed?


Edited by dcorfman 3/11/2013 12:24 PM
dcorfman
Posted 3/11/2013 12:49 PM (#625125 - in reply to #623878)
Subject: Re: have you been ticketed for position fishing a sucker?




Posts: 130


Location: Madison, WI
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1683&dat=19970608&id=vM4iAAAA...

This Milwaukee Journal Sentinel article points out another person who had an issue with the position fishing regulation.
BenR
Posted 3/11/2013 1:01 PM (#625129 - in reply to #623878)
Subject: Re: have you been ticketed for position fishing a sucker?


I am sure that is just the media bias;)
ToothyCritter
Posted 3/11/2013 1:04 PM (#625132 - in reply to #623895)
Subject: Re: have you been ticketed for position fishing a sucker?





Posts: 667


Location: Roscoe IL
sworrall - 3/7/2013 4:01 PM

It's more likely you will be suckered for ticketing trolls. Hardly any wardens up here anymore, the DNR is near busted. Hope the economy picks up so revenue picks up and enforcement can pick up.


So true! I just don't see the wardens on any of the lakes in the Tomahawk area any more.
jonnysled
Posted 3/11/2013 1:05 PM (#625133 - in reply to #624931)
Subject: RE: have you been ticketed for position fishing a sucker?





Posts: 13688


Location: minocqua, wi.
who - 3/10/2013 7:06 PM

TUFFY - 3/8/2013 7:33 AM

KrazyK - 3/7/2013 8:44 PM

I fished with Greg Bohn (guide) who many years ago was guiding two undercover DNR officers and was row trolling when he hooked a fish. As one of the men/officers brought the fish in he repositioned the boat with his trolling motor to avoid runing aground. He still had one line out and never thought twice about it. At the end of the day he was paid and tipped well. Several days later he was ticketed for motor trolling and after several thousands of dollars in legal fees beat the case. It was sad to see such a great and honest fisherman dragged though the B.S. and because of it he quit guiding in Wisconsin. I quess it doesn't matter what you think because if they're gunning for you you don't stand a chance.


^^^ totally false.


+1


what's the real story on this one ...??
WI Duck Guide
Posted 3/11/2013 2:39 PM (#625171 - in reply to #625125)
Subject: Re: have you been ticketed for position fishing a sucker?




Location: Minocqua, WI
dcorfman - 3/11/2013 12:49 PM

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1683&dat=19970608&id=vM4iAAAA...

This Milwaukee Journal Sentinel article points out another person who had an issue with the position fishing regulation.


This is a good post and the article covers why motor trolling was outlawed altogether... Its so sad to see that these same issues are back in the news today as if it were the first time... A lot of pushing from people who troll elsewhere and think its "fine" to do here. We have a suspending musky population and an equally important walleye component that will be damaged by allowing trolling in our waters... this is a fact, not a suggestion.
Top H2O
Posted 3/11/2013 2:41 PM (#625174 - in reply to #625133)
Subject: RE: have you been ticketed for position fishing a sucker?




Posts: 4080


Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion
Ahh, guys,.....Whats a sucker??

Never fished for Muskies with live bait. ever.
Pointerpride102
Posted 3/11/2013 2:59 PM (#625182 - in reply to #625133)
Subject: RE: have you been ticketed for position fishing a sucker?





Posts: 16632


Location: The desert
jonnysled - 3/11/2013 12:05 PM

who - 3/10/2013 7:06 PM

TUFFY - 3/8/2013 7:33 AM

KrazyK - 3/7/2013 8:44 PM

I fished with Greg Bohn (guide) who many years ago was guiding two undercover DNR officers and was row trolling when he hooked a fish. As one of the men/officers brought the fish in he repositioned the boat with his trolling motor to avoid runing aground. He still had one line out and never thought twice about it. At the end of the day he was paid and tipped well. Several days later he was ticketed for motor trolling and after several thousands of dollars in legal fees beat the case. It was sad to see such a great and honest fisherman dragged though the B.S. and because of it he quit guiding in Wisconsin. I quess it doesn't matter what you think because if they're gunning for you you don't stand a chance.


^^^ totally false.


+1


what's the real story on this one ...??


Someone had too many beers and made crap up? Fisherman wouldn't do that, would they??
ToothyCritter
Posted 3/11/2013 3:22 PM (#625189 - in reply to #623878)
Subject: Re: have you been ticketed for position fishing a sucker?





Posts: 667


Location: Roscoe IL
Interesting thread. What's even more interesting is, from October until end of season in Wisconsin most every single boat I see is dragging a sucker behind it. But there are so many here saying they just wouldn't use live bait. I guess the people that fish in October through EOS fishing in Madison and most of the lakes in any general direction from there just don't post on this site. Funny, R&H musky shop sells out of suckers on a regular basis too. I still don't understand why using a QS rig on live bait is taboo to some?
Oz
Posted 3/11/2013 3:48 PM (#625205 - in reply to #625189)
Subject: Re: have you been ticketed for position fishing a sucker?


WI Duck Guide, how is trolling going to be hurt the fishery?
Jerry Newman
Posted 3/11/2013 5:04 PM (#625244 - in reply to #625171)
Subject: Re: have you been ticketed for position fishing a sucker?




Location: 31

WI Duck Guide - 3/11/2013 2:39 PM
dcorfman - 3/11/2013 12:49 PM http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1683&dat=19970608&id=... This Milwaukee Journal Sentinel article points out another person who had an issue with the position fishing regulation.
This is a good post and the article covers why motor trolling was outlawed altogether... Its so sad to see that these same issues are back in the news today as if it were the first time... A lot of pushing from people who troll elsewhere and think its "fine" to do here. We have a suspending musky population and an equally important walleye component that will be damaged by allowing trolling in our waters... this is a fact, not a suggestion.
 

I'd be interested to know where the facts you speak of regarding motor trolling damaging the fishery came from because I've found nothing to support such a statement lately. As a matter of fact, I have only found statements by biologists that motor trolling is a non-issue. Unless you consider Jordan Weeks, Senior Fisheries Biologist with the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources in LaCrosse is only offing a suggestion here; 

“First off, let me say that I understand your concern. Believe me, there was much discussion surrounding this proposal in many meetings. The part you don't have quite right is that “rule simplification” is not the only reason this change is being proposed. Biology and increasing angling opportunity are also important components.
I’ll address these briefly, as I know you already have a good grasp of both. IF our current size and bag limits work (which we believe they do for the most part), THEN the method by which one captures the fish is irrelevant. Essentially a dead fish is a dead fish (it doesn’t matter if it was caught trolling or angling). Also, if trolling was significantly more efficient than casting you could not make this argument and there is no data available that indicates that is true.
If, in the unlikely event fish populations are impacted by this potential change, then it’s the Biologist’s job to remedy the situation by changing size or bag limits, increasing stocking, or modifying season structure or habitat (that’s our job).

This change will also increase angling opportunity. Personally I don’t fish in Vilas and Oneida as much as I would if this passes. I like to have the option and believe that position fishing IS trolling (I let my training in Physics tell me it is impossible to keep a line vertical while working the trolling motor). I also firmly believe that some people are in the same boat as I. Opportunity is where the position fishing rule comes into play (for musky anglers). If the wording of the current rule caused some anglers to worry about a ticket or not fish in fear of a ticket then this change needs to be made. Fishing and hunting rules that need interpretation are bad rules (position fishing is the poster child for bad rules).
This post in not intended to change your mind or attack you in any way as I know you have defended the Department many a time on these message boards. Thank you for that.
I’m merely trying to explain the rationale for the proposed rule and dispel some myths.”
 

I would ask how one 2 man crew trolling 6 artificial lures is suppose to be harming the fishery more than the same 2 man crew casting with 4 suckers soaking? 

 



Edited by Jerry Newman 3/11/2013 5:07 PM
jonnysled
Posted 3/11/2013 5:08 PM (#625246 - in reply to #625244)
Subject: Re: have you been ticketed for position fishing a sucker?





Posts: 13688


Location: minocqua, wi.
jerry ... you planning on "soaking" those suckers in june/july/august? ...
dcorfman
Posted 3/11/2013 5:17 PM (#625250 - in reply to #625171)
Subject: Re: have you been ticketed for position fishing a sucker?




Posts: 130


Location: Madison, WI
WI Duck Guide - 3/11/2013 2:39 PM

dcorfman - 3/11/2013 12:49 PM

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1683&dat=19970608&id=vM4iAAAA...

This Milwaukee Journal Sentinel article points out another person who had an issue with the position fishing regulation.


This is a good post and the article covers why motor trolling was outlawed altogether... Its so sad to see that these same issues are back in the news today as if it were the first time... A lot of pushing from people who troll elsewhere and think its "fine" to do here. We have a suspending musky population and an equally important walleye component that will be damaged by allowing trolling in our waters... this is a fact, not a suggestion.


WI Duck Guide - "We have a suspending musky population and an equally important walleye component that will be damaged by allowing trolling in our waters... this is a fact, not a suggestion."

Where/what is the basis for this statement?

jonnysled, if you are concerned about scare tactics, why are you not calling out statements like this?

Edited by dcorfman 3/11/2013 5:45 PM
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