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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | 'I think I am going to hold off adding some suicks to my aresenal. I just now got a hang of working hell hounds and phantoms, I like my lures to work well out of the box instead of having to do a lot of tuning.'
Seriously?
It's simple to tune a Suick, and you can make it do whatever you want by using that tail. That's known as versatility.
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| LOL...If you have a Tranx with a new "power handle" and a couple of dbl-10's why would you need anything else?  |
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Location: Wisconsin | cave, suicks work well. You will catch fish with them, just toss it a few times. The tail is easy to adjust, if needed. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Just bend the tail down a bit and try it, it takes 5 casts to get it how you personally want it and then can mess with it to make it dance. Not tough at all.
PM your address, and I'll send you one no charge, but you have to promise to use it. if you use it, you WILL catch fish on it. |
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| I'm new to musky fishing, but the first baits I ordered (per the advice of a guide friend), were suicks, then DC10's. The way my buddy put it was, when nothing else is working, throw on a suick thriller. There's something about the bait that turns fish on who may otherwise be uninterested. Once I watched Steve's video and practiced using the reel to bring it in, as well as small taps, it moved both sideways and at a slight dive down into the weeds. Take a few hours and practice. They aren't any harder to fish than other jerkbaits once you practice. If I can do it, you can for sure. |
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| I don't know about everyone else but most of the fun of using a suick is getting it to work the way you want it. There are so many modifications, applications, and ways to tune them that they really can be one of the most versitable baits in your box. I bet the plastic ones will be just as good plus they will have an added durability factor as well. |
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Location: oconomowoc, wi | sworrall - 1/17/2013 11:00 PM
Just bend the tail down a bit and try it, it takes 5 casts to get it how you personally want it and then can mess with it to make it dance. Not tough at all.
PM your address, and I'll send you one no charge, but you have to promise to use it. if you use it, you WILL catch fish on it.
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Location: Hayward, WI | That's pretty awesome of Steve to send you one free of charge. If you are afraid of the work it takes to tune a Suick, think about the stuff we do as musky fishermen. Throw big bladed baits all day with big heavy rods (compared to bass and walleye tackle), toss and rip back 8-16 oz rubber. Rip hard pulling minnow baits.
Bending and tweaking a thin metal tail with a pair of pliers is nothing. No harder than pulling a weed off your double 10. I think about the 1st musky bait I bought was a Suick Thriller. I had no problem getting it to run in a manner that I thought would catch fish. It goes this way, bend the tail one way. If you bent the wrong side, straighten it back out and bend the other side. You aren't going to break the thing if you don't tune it perfectly on the 1st shot.
As you get going in this sport you'll have to learn how to tune all your lures. Catch a fish and bend the wire on your Bulldawg or double 10 back in line, tweak the nose on your crankbait so it runs true again, re-cup the tail on your tail rotating topwater. Learning your baits is part of the fun.
Have fun experimenting with the Suick Steve is sending you and catch some fish on it. I don't use them as much as I should but it's really cool to learn how to work them through weeds.
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| Love suicks. Biggest fish in the boat last year my buddy caught on a suick. 53.5 |
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I know of the little spinnerblade. I know of extra weighting them. But what else??? |
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| There are so many interesting ways to modify a Suick, but my favorite is replacing hooks after quickly cutting a couple of hook shanks to release a muskie! I also like to add weight to the front hook and make it barbless; seems like almost all my muskies are hooked on the middle and/or back hooks anyway!
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Location: Pulaski, WI | Even if you can't tune them to go side to side they still catch fish. |
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| Caught fish on Suicks for years having them just dive and rise. Can't wait to work on tuning them to go side to side. |
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Location: Waukee, IA | Any more pics of suick modifications? I am curious about how you hook weights to the front hook and the use of pliers to turn down the tail section. Pics would help this visual learner out ALOT! |
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Location: North of Sweden! | wkeegobbler - 1/19/2013 5:16 AM
Any more pics of suick modifications? I am curious about how you hook weights to the front hook and the use of pliers to turn down the tail section. Pics would help this visual learner out ALOT! :)
I take the opportunity to wake an old thread to life and say I agree with you, more picks of suicks (the Jailbird above was BEAUTIFUL!!!) and modifications +pics of peoples suick's tails would be very beneficial to see!!! (promise to upload some picks of my own in due time as well!!!)
This woudl be useful for all people new to the Suick and perhaps even to veteran-Thriller-users, as, even though it will be needed to be tuned differently from one Suick to the other (as they are all, at least in my experience, rather "individuals" more than any other lure) I think we could all get new ideas and inspiration from something like that!!!
So, bring on your Suick Thriller-pics here please!!!
Kind regards from the north of sweden!
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Location: North of Sweden! | Not to step on any toes, and, not really a biggie, but, does it ever happen that you get a "dud" of a Suick Thriller???????
I was out fishing today, have recently bought 3new thrillers to replace lost ones (1 each of; Blaze Orange/Black Spot, Jailbird, Frog) all in 9" H. So, first order of business for me was to tune them to my liking, which, I have NEVER had a problem with before, EVER!!!
So, started with Frog-color, quick, easy tuning done, in rapid succession I went on to the Blaze Orange/Black Spots, same there very easy tune-up... then, took the jailbird (planned on beginning my fishing with that one so, hence the order of business :D ) and... it was just IMPOSSIBLE!?!?!?! to get it running properly... wrestled with it for a good ~20minutes before taking a break from it and instead started fishing some other Suicks (which produced) but, I love my jailbird...so, before long I was back at it, trying to tune it... seemingly, to me at least, to no avail...
I kept on going back to it throughout the day for short bouts of tuning (and also caught 2 decent pike on it) but could never make it run properly, no matter what I did... though, I did manage to get it to have a real nice side/side-wobble while reeling it in fast, a huge and real trouble lay in the fact I just couldn't get it to dive good, actually couldn't at times for the life of me get it down no matter what I did, unless I really cranked it hard and steady.
Not really the way I would've prefered using it on a day like today as slower twitchier styles produced way better, now I had to most of the times really gun it to get it to stay down at all...and even when I did that it at times rose up anyways... was basically impossible to get it to dive down much at all.
To me it felt like either something is off with it, or it was just a crazy-strong-extra-buoyant piece I happened to get???
Unfortunately I had left my box of "just-in-case" stuff at home as this was just a "quickie" for me, so, I didn't have anything to add weight to it with me to see if I could've gotten it to do what I wanted with some "force" so to speak :D
Well, as always with me, extremely long-winded, but, my real question:
* Is it possible I just got a "dud" and I might never be able to get it doing what I want it to???
Of course, I suppose that it must statistically be possible to have such bad luck, but, has it ever happened to any of you guys or anyone you know of???
As, said, this has NEVER EVER happened to me before.
I have honestly NEVER understood some of the comments I've read here and there about people "having trouble using a Suick".
I just have never ever understood why anyone would have trouble with it, I've always found it quite easy to do what I want, some easy tuning, also very easy to adjust on the fly if needed due to changing places in between for instance lake/river.
But, if stuff like this happens (for instance if I had only ever had this particular Jailbird) I can understand why people get "tired" of even trying... though, I have not given up on my beloved Jailbird, I still have some hope of being able to tune it to my liking, at least if I try and add weight (or at least I hope so, we'll see). Otherwise I know I'll be ordering another 9" Jailbird in no time, no tackle-box is complete without that one in it.
Weeell, sorry for the wall-of-text, but, any thoughts, ideas, inputs??? I hope I'll get it running OK so that I can get some more teeth-marks in it, might be all it lacks??? :D (my old one was really chewed up before I lost it)
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Location: Minnesota. | Peter,
I can empathize with your situation and it must be very irritating. So I'd ask this, when you kept going back to "re tune" your troublesome bait did you keep trying to bend the tail this way and that or did you go back to the "zero point" which is likely having the tail straight back and flat and then begin a very slight variation after a few casts?
I ask because I can sense your frustration. Maybe a deep breath, pause a bit and begin from "zero" again? These things don't take much tuning, typically, as you well know.
Just a thought. then if you are satisfied that things are indeed messed up with this particular bait set it aside for a couple weeks and then try again.
If things still don't get better maybe contact Suick, they might help with ??? Or ..just toss it away and buy another. These baits aren't much money in the long run...no biggie.
Good luck man,
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| Once in a blue moon, some fiddling with the line tie or screw eye attachment is also needed...fiddle slowly . All mine are wood baits so it's not an issue; however, with plastic, a gentle bend may be all that is allowed. As with all alterations....very small steps til you get what you want. I'd bet someone else here will be able to comment in a more exact way. |
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| So for quite a while I used XH rods with suiks because I like XH rods the most. As I can tune suiks to work for me I ran into a couple that are like yours. I tweaked the eyelet To a side and that fixed one. Now I more recently found that a softer rod with a action that comes deeper into the rod (moderate) with about a 2.5' sweep of the rod makes even the most picky suik work for me. I have found also that some can be worked harder and others must be slower/ calmer. |
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Location: North of Sweden! | Jeremy - 5/29/2016 5:15 PM
Peter,
I can empathize with your situation and it must be very irritating. So I'd ask this, when you kept going back to "re tune" your troublesome bait did you keep trying to bend the tail this way and that or did you go back to the "zero point" which is likely having the tail straight back and flat and then begin a very slight variation after a few casts?
I ask because I can sense your frustration. Maybe a deep breath, pause a bit and begin from "zero" again? These things don't take much tuning, typically, as you well know.
Just a thought. then if you are satisfied that things are indeed messed up with this particular bait set it aside for a couple weeks and then try again.
If things still don't get better maybe contact Suick, they might help with ??? Or ..just toss it away and buy another. These baits aren't much money in the long run...no biggie.
Good luck man,
Huge thank you for this answer Jeremy!!!
And, yeah, actually, now when I am thinking back to it I am not certain I ever went back to "absolute zero" with it yesterday??? might have, or I just went back to "kinda zero" before re-tweaking it here and there...dunno why as that is the way to go, but, your reminder is greatly helpful, I think my reson not going back all the way is due to me having tuned 2other Thrillers just beforehand, and, this one just wouldn't cooperate, at all!!!
I will for make sure to have it back at zero before even going out to the water next time (hopefully tomorrow if time allows!!!) so I'll just re-set it now and go back out later and start out with it and tinker with it some more. Though, I am a bit sceptical to me ever getting it running "right" unless I add weight to it, or, it might be something I've so far never encountered, but, Fishysam is talking about. Perhaps the individual differences in the Suick Thrillers now has provided me with one Jailbird where I basically HAVE TO work it really fast to make work for me.
As I said, somewhere in my frustration and tinkering I found a tuning that had it moving quite nice provided I almost burned it... though, that is something I've never really done with Suicks so, I kinda didn't see it as a benefit yesterday... but, the more I am thinking about it, might be a good thing to have in my box... only downside to that solution is that I am currently without a 9" Jailbird that I can work as I am used to... :D
And, the last resort, if nothing seems to work, no matter what, well, then I have the option of trying to add some weight and if even that doesn't work, well, then it can just serve as a beautiful "statue" or something, I'll just hang it somewhere in the apartment! :D see if the wife likes my home-decorating spirit??? :D
All the best, and, once angain, huge thank you for the reminder!!!
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Location: North of Sweden! | Old Guy - 5/29/2016 5:41 PM
Once in a blue moon, some fiddling with the line tie or screw eye attachment is also needed...fiddle slowly . All mine are wood baits so it's not an issue; however, with plastic, a gentle bend may be all that is allowed. As with all alterations....very small steps til you get what you want. I'd bet someone else here will be able to comment in a more exact way.
All mine are also wood, so, you are right, more tinkering is an option... though, I'll take it as a last resort to really make any drastic changes to it. As I have not owned a boatload of Thrillers in my lifetime (they last forever for me unless I make some... erhm...human errors... :D such as lending some to a friend who had some really old and weak mono on his reel...not a good thing when using Suicks as they'll get hammered and eaten all day long!) I kinda still feel "uncomfortable" or at least not very confident in making any drastic changes, even though I have some thoughts on stuff I would like to do, I would like to experiment with a bunch of things, but, so far I haven't gotten round to it. Also, living in a small apartment where I have no real area for woodworking and such also kinda holds me back. But has a friend with a bit of a wood-shop where I am planning on going and making some experimental changes to one or a few of my Suicks.
As I am fishing Pike mostly, and, well, they hammer just about any size bait regardless of their own size, I sometimes find it very annoying with all the trebles on the 9" Suicks (another reason I'd like to one day try out the 12", hope it will at least keep some of the Pike under 40" off of the bait) so I'll basically never fish with the rear-treble attached, but, I would like to experiment by reducing down to just having one treble, but in order for that to be more successful I think moving the front treble a bit back would be the best for a combo of hook-ups while still keeping minimal damage to the fish. So, I'd like to move one of the trebles back to like in between the front and middle treble, which would require some drilling and stuff I can't really do at my apartment right now.
But huge thank you for the answer, it gives me a lot of great ideas and inspiration!!!
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Location: North of Sweden! | Fishysam - 5/29/2016 5:56 PM
So for quite a while I used XH rods with suiks because I like XH rods the most. As I can tune suiks to work for me I ran into a couple that are like yours. I tweaked the eyelet To a side and that fixed one. Now I more recently found that a softer rod with a action that comes deeper into the rod (moderate) with about a 2.5' sweep of the rod makes even the most picky suik work for me. I have found also that some can be worked harder and others must be slower/ calmer.
Interesting aspect about the rod-choice! I only have a really stiff rod (no pun intended/that's what she said's  ) and not really a lot of cash to try anything at the moment, also really love my rod. But, it sounds reasonable what you are saying, I'll make sure to try some of my friends rods whenever I get the chance and use a few of my Suicks on them then, might be interesting to get to try if nothing else!
Also, hearing about the difference in how they might "be needed" to be worked to work properly is great to hear, perhaps this one is just one I'll be forced to use when there is a "need for speed" so to speak to trigger them for as I said, I found some tweaks to actually work quite nicely provided I kinda burned it through the water, which is something completely new for me in regards to Suicks, though, as said in one of the other answers, I haven't really owned a boatload of them so far as I haven't really had the need for that as they are great long-lasting lures. They get hammered, constantly, bitten and torn up, but, they fish like no other lure regardless (or maybe even due) the amount of bitemarks in the wood.
Really great answer, gives me confidence I'll have it working for me, one way or the other!
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Location: N.E. Ohio | I really enjoyed this post- thanks for that video... I bought 3 Suicks years ago and tried them once or twice and never liked the way they felt or performed so I shelved them... Had no idea the adjustment they offer, I'll have to dig them out and give them a try again.
A few questions to those more experienced Suick users:
Any relation to the size of the Suick versus the size of fish caught?
Any particular color choices w/ weather or?
Jerkbaits are my favorite to use but I'm embarrassed to say that I haven't even caught a fish on a jerkbait...plenty of follows. Up until now the only type I've used is Hellhounds and Phantoms. I don't like the Phantoms very much- just seem too lifeless. But that's probably the user... right? |
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Location: North of Sweden! | toothysmile - 5/30/2016 7:25 PM
I really enjoyed this post- thanks for that video... I bought 3 Suicks years ago and tried them once or twice and never liked the way they felt or performed so I shelved them... Had no idea the adjustment they offer, I'll have to dig them out and give them a try again.
A few questions to those more experienced Suick users:
Any relation to the size of the Suick versus the size of fish caught?
Any particular color choices w/ weather or?
Jerkbaits are my favorite to use but I'm embarrassed to say that I haven't even caught a fish on a jerkbait...plenty of follows. Up until now the only type I've used is Hellhounds and Phantoms. I don't like the Phantoms very much- just seem too lifeless. But that's probably the user... right? :)
First off, I'd like to just make two points, before I go on answering this question that I suppose was not directed exactly at me, but, I'll jump on it anyways, I find it a very good and intriguing subject!!! But, first my points;
1. As I am new to this board, I have NO IDEA as to how much "off topic" is "allowed so to speak, or rather, I dunno when off topic starts getting frowned upon :D
2. I am, my entire prescence over here that is, by definition ONLY OFF TOPIC :D as I have never fished for muskie in my life (though I do dream of it and intend on making my way over for it in due time) but, I have fished for pike since childhood... so, guess I've fished for pike one way or another for like, hmm, I suppose ~25years? though, when I was 8 I'd say my fishing was not all that "focused" :D and I have had my periods of lay-offs and other stuff...
Regarding size of lure vs actual fish caught I must say I think it something that is very dependent on a lot of factors...
First of all, the pike up here are, most of the time at least, not very picky when it comes to eating, and, they are what seems like fear-less predators, it is not a totally uncommon sight to see a fish only equal the size of the lure attack it with all it's might, looks kinda ridiculous :D
But, at times you can weed out the smaller fish by picking a bigger lure. Unfortunately I have only fished with Suick 7" (and very little with that size) and 9" (my main-stay, basically this entire season has been Suick 9" or Poe's Giant Jackpot). It seems that it will depend on "the mood of the fish" for lack of better words.
I think that the actual size of the lure itself is not really the biggest factor when it comes to weeding out the small fry, rather it is the "impression" that the lure is making in the water, it's foot-print so to speak. Many times as long as a lure gives off a big profile, moving water around, it seems to be able to keep some of the smaller pikes at bay.
Then on the other hand, I know of a lot of HUGE pike being caught on minimal (think like 1/5oz) spinnerblades by random people "just fishing" so, it is not necessary for a bait to be insanely huge.
Regarding color, that is another very tricky subject, very hard to really know for sure, the classic old rule of thumb is something like"crazy in dirty water/subdued in clear" but it is once again something that does not hold true in a lot of situations. Once again, it depends on the situation at hand, though, I do belive that color is most of the times not the limiting factor that many people make it out to be (not on here though) rather it is a smaller piece of the puzzle most of the times.
Sorry, not much of an answer, I hope some of the other guys will come in and chime in on this most interesting subject, would be very interesting to hear peoples opinion on the bigger Suicks, comparisons of the 10&12 to the 9 would be interesting for me to hear about.
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Location: North of Sweden! | By the way, the Jailbird that gave me gray(er) hair two days ago, update:
Yesterday I re-set the tail to basically "in-the-box" setting again (thanks for that simple yet well needed reminder Jeremy). Slapped on a small weight in eye behind the front treble (see attached pic) and took it out to the water today. I never got the chance to try it without the added weight today (I am quite certain that would have been useless anyways, it is really CRAZY-BUOYANT, but will of course try some other day) because I just started it out as I had pre-prepared it yesterday. And, well, #*^@!!! it ran like a BEAUT!!!!! I'd say that it rivals the best of my tuned Suicks!!! Looks pure killer the way it looks right now!
That is by my eyes account, not really a good clue as to what the fish thinks of it, yet, as I only caught 2pikes on it today (only 30" and 35") but to Jailbirds defence it was a very hard days fishing and it is a quite difficult lake for one like me that is without boat. I caught 5other pikes, all on a Giant Jackpot (biggest 37", the rest below 30") Perch Tiger.
Something interesting that this weight added to the Suick (which I don't know, not yet at least, if it is a really good thing or a bad thing) was the possibility to "knock on wood" :D if I snapped a bit harder here and there at chosen times I could produce a dull "knock on wood" (the weight hitting the Suick).
This was especially noticeable when I tried doing "my classic move" (as nothing is new under the sun I suppose that a lot of people might also have come up with this "trick" :D ) that I sometimes do at times the fishes seem "slow".
And, that is to work the Suick down a bit, then I let it rise completely free to the surface, this gives it a lot of speed when it breaks the surface = head is shooting up above the surface at an angle, then I just snap the slack out so that the head slaps down on the surface and then I just promptly resume the diving, repeat as needed.
When doing this it gave a loud but dull nice sounding wooden "knock" of course as the Suick hit the weight.
I have no clue as to whether or not this is a good thing, I think it will prove to be as a lot of other things in fishing, something that is dependent on the situation/time and other factors, I suppose at times it might be "too much" (not that it is overpoweringly strong, lots of lure have rattles that sound way more, but in another way) and other times it might be just what the doctor ordered.... I'll have to experiment a lot more to know for sure.
But, long story short, my beloved Jailbird is fishable again!!!!! I did en up bending the tail down just a little more during the day, but, the re-set was good at least and the weight is good as well, still, it is crazy buoyant!!! but, it got some more teethmarks in it as well today so that'll add to the lures quality and performance as well!!!
kind regards!
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Location: Minnesota. | Peter,
Now all you gotta do is work on gettin' yourself a .... boat!
Glad to see things worked out for you and best of luck this season. Those Suicks have been around for decades for a good reason.
I'm only just realizing this after years of not fishing them myself! Sad to say but I have a "few" tackle boxes full of them now. But I'm a bit odd...;)
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| Off topic is quite common here. I love Suicks, and had a 9" weighted sucker dud. It would work well on a fast retrieve also, but only if I ran it deep. So, since I had 2 others that ran well, and time on my hands, I spray painted it in a jailbird pattern, then used a 5 minute epoxy on it. The extra weight made it really hang on the pause and I was able to tune it so it danced to my liking. Then the 2nd day fishing the wind blew it onto a rock and bent the tail. I haven't been able to re-tune it despite several attempts. Bummer. My point is, adding weight throughout the bait may work if adding a sinker to the front hook hanger hadn't helped. |
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Location: North of Sweden! | Jeremy - 5/31/2016 9:03 PM
Peter,
Now all you gotta do is work on gettin' yourself a .... boat!
Glad to see things worked out for you and best of luck this season. Those Suicks have been around for decades for a good reason.
I'm only just realizing this after years of not fishing them myself! Sad to say but I have a "few" tackle boxes full of them now. But I'm a bit odd...; )
Ah, yes, dang it, I sure would love a boat... was out for a few hours yesterday at a river nearby that is known for holding real pigs of northern pikes. Was an awesome bunch of hours at the water, but, also really hard work trudging along those overgrown and/or muddy riverbanks...to be honest feels like I am too old for that nowadays (at 34 :D ) but I'll keep on hammering... made me want a boat indeed, would've been glorious to have as that place is awesome from a boat.
Still, managed to hook-up, catch and release two pikes over 40" yesterday, in just a few hours of fishing (actually first one was within the first 10casts) though, they were not much over 40, maybe ~42" at the most if I'd have stretched them out :D
As it is now I usually (unless it is a real pig /personal record) just measure the fish while it is still in the water by just holding my rod over it as I have made markings with nail polish at 50cm and then every additional 10cm up to 130cm. So, it is a quick, easy (not that accurate but good enough, unless as said, something really worth knowing, then I have a proper tape measure with me for those times) and nice to the fish.
First +40 was taken on a Giant Jackpot Perch Tiger and the second was on the Suick Jailbird with the small weight added. In between, and after I of course caught a couple of smaller ones as well, one of them only about 1inch longer than the Suick :D :D :D they sure are hungry and aggressive.
Glad to see my Jailbird working good again after the added weight, it is a nice feel when you get to catch fish on the lures you yourself prefer fishing with :D
A few tackle boxes of them you say?!?!?!?! crazy!!! :D but awesome!!! time to give them some time in the water then!!!
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Location: North of Sweden! | ARmuskyaddict - 6/1/2016 1:17 AM
Off topic is quite common here. I love Suicks, and had a 9" weighted sucker dud. It would work well on a fast retrieve also, but only if I ran it deep. So, since I had 2 others that ran well, and time on my hands, I spray painted it in a jailbird pattern, then used a 5 minute epoxy on it. The extra weight made it really hang on the pause and I was able to tune it so it danced to my liking. Then the 2nd day fishing the wind blew it onto a rock and bent the tail. I haven't been able to re-tune it despite several attempts. Bummer. My point is, adding weight throughout the bait may work if adding a sinker to the front hook hanger hadn't helped.
Love fishing with the Suicks!!!
Good to hear about your experience with the dud one!!! but, too bad about it now having returned to a dud again...  but, awesome tip!!!
might actually do that when I have the time anyways! Sure, it is now really nicely tuned with the added weight, but, still I feel like I should get myself som 5min-epoxy anyways (for other lures and some repairs or reinforcements). And, to have it weighed down throughout the entire bait like that seems like it would only make it better, either it might work just like that or I might still need to add the small extra-weight, but, either way that is a really great tip!
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