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| Herb_b - 7/17/2012 11:42 AM
use different hooks on the hell hounds like gammies!they are sharp and the fish almost always hook themselves!
For me, the worst hook-up lures are gliders of any kind. Mantas, Phantoms, Fat Boys, Sledges, and Hell Hounds all provide lots of hits and few fish. I don't even throw them anymore because there seems to be no point. All I do is cast a lot and then go home disappointed. |
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| Sled- I think I may know the guy you're talking about... I just don't understand why u should have to modify a bait out of the package. If they made the hook hanger like the deep invader...problem solved. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | that one was a big #*^@ fish ... :0), it was even bigger than the big one!
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| Great feedback guys! I don't fish tubes much at all, so dont feel your pain there... And i agree with the shallow invaders hook placement, doesn't make much sense to me!
As a bait maker, i didn't want to throw anyone under the bus, but i guess it can be used as constructive criticism haha. The bait i have the issues with is a squirrely Burt. It's not a matter of the fish throwing the lure after it's hooked, just a matter of that initial hook up.
Here's the run down..... Cast, jerk, wait, jerk, wait, explosion, bait goes under, i reel down to it, set the hook, and nothing. It is probably this same occurance about 75% of the time with this lure. I wouldn't say there's any operator error with my top water fishing, same process I have mastered in bass fishing. And hooks are sharp!
And I've done some mods to the bait, but that usually ruins the action with this specific tail.
Quite a frustrating process! |
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Location: Northern Illinois | I allways wonder if top water lures get an even worse rap for misses (compared to other lures) than they should. With a top water, every single miss is utterly obvious. I wonder if when using deeper diving lures sometimes misses are attributed to weeds, rocks, timber etc. because you just can't allways see it, but you feel something, and just don't know for sure. You would think that hard twitching or jerking deeper diving lures or plastics would have similar problems with the fish tracking them. |
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Location: Bemidji, Lake Vermilion | Can't say I'm always fond of rubber baits in general, although they get bit. Tossed out a brand new pounder this past weekend, had a real nice fish bite it in the first couple minutes. Set the hook HARD. After a few secs tried to keep the beast down as I felt her coming up, she got up anyways, mouth opened, head shook, bait came out. Don't think I had a single hook in it. Bait was bent in a 90 degree angle, probably close to 40 deep gashes all over it. She clamped on it hard and no hookset in the world was moving that bait in the fishes mouth. Not the first time, won't be the last. |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | Bulldawg for me. Tubes were hard at first but I got a system down now. |
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| Manta. Lost 4 fish in one day on that dang thing. THEN, I learned about "t-ing" the hooks and replacing the crummy hooks it came with in favor of some larger ones. Now I just never use it.  |
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| weagle is an easy throw for a lunge |
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| Supprised no one mention the Creeper -- 2% catch rate |
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Location: Uxbridge Ontario | Weagle has been my enemy. |
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Location: Cave Run Lake KY. | chatter bait  |
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| almost every tubes available,and depthraiders with the stock treble hooks,and no it have nothing to do with the guy behind the rod.i will also add any wtd lures,way too much fish that not even touch the lures and as a bonus lot of time they never came back
Edited by learntoswim 7/19/2012 1:47 AM
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| Firetiger - 7/16/2012 8:50 PM
Shumway Flasher
how?
marabou offer zero resistance it's so soft,so the baits is virtually just a wire with two treble hooks. |
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Location: Hayward, WI | I never have thrown gliders very much, but they don't do a good job of hooking up for me. Little northern pike love then and get pinned up solid as can be on them however. I throw a lot of rubber and historically it hooks fish pretty well for me. Every year though, I go through a period where they must either hit the very head or even hit with mouths closed. Feel the hard thunk, set the hook, and either feel nothing, or fish on for a few seconds and gone.
I've lost very few fish on topwater. I have had fish MISS a Weagle pretty often, but if the fish connects with Weagle or Pacemaker it's usually coming to the net.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | 'weagle is an easy throw for a lunge'
Bull.
Wait until the fish has the thing and don't set the hook multiple times. Excellent hooking percentage.
Speaking of bull, the Wabull is my favorite glider and hooks up really well for me. |
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| If some think that you need to wait a 2-4 second count on tubes then I'll do my best to try and make it happen. We're talking some serious discipline though.... Reactions to the strike/bite has me so trained to drive the hooks home and drive them home hard that's it's going to be a huge challenge to wait a few seconds then set the hook. It could be easier with a boat partner who can shout at you to hold on a a few seconds then drive hooks home but fishing solo and waiting all day for that one bite makes it real hard to delay a hookset. Great theory and I'm gonna try it with tubes. No promises though as it has to be one of the hardest things to do, wait and set the hook after a few seconds... |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | (2) tugs in topwater fishing ... always let the fish tug first.
responding to sound and sight will kill a great photo-op |
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| mine is the topperstopper i have had numorous hits on them on yet to seal the deal. I have no problem with crank baits and bucktails but surface bait are for the birds. |
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| sworrall - 7/16/2012 12:00 AM
Try this using tubes:
When a fish hits, give it line. Yes, give it line for a 4 count, Let the fish tighten up the line and hammer the steel home.
so the fish will literally swallow the tube exactly as a real bait fish?after 1 or2 seconds they don't start to find anything suspect?
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Location: Not far enough north! | It's just like fishing tubes for bass. Tap...Tap... Start Running... Then Set the Hook |
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Location: Land of the Musky | Mullhead - 7/16/2012 9:52 PM
I had tubes that looked like Swiss Cheese until I started building my own harness.
Get a hook up by the head of the lure on those tubes. Mike Hulbert had a great suggestion for my Tubby Tubes 3 years ago when I was making them and I listened! I moved my front hook almost on the nose of the lure. Drastically increased hook ups with my pro staff who were testing the prototypes. Can't remember all of the rigging types the original musky sized Lindy Tiger tube had but I saw a lot and many had a hook up by the nose too.
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Location: VA | Picture of my rig on the bottom of the first page. 8/0 hooks |
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Location: Clintonville, WI | My worst hook-up lures historically have been my pick-up lines..........
For muskies, they have been a jackpot and one particular Bobbie Bait that I can't seem to keep fish pinned on (user error has been a factor in a select few cases, but otherwise just bad juju for that Bobbie). |
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| Chico R - 7/17/2012 12:53 AM
Jackpot... missed more fish on wtd baits than anything for sure, great for making them show up though! Caught some nice fish on them but plenty never really got hooked
No doubt! The Jackpots are so light but the fish love them. I have had at least 20 fish blow the Jackpot out of the water and only hooked 3. |
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Location: Land of the Musky | Mullhead - 7/17/2012 11:54 AM
These rigs seem to have fixed most of my problem. 8/0 in the head and 8/0 where the body meets the tentacles. One goes thru the nose the other is about 60 degrees they both fall at a different angle. I can make them both from 1 to 3oz.
Robert, that is an awesome rig for the tubes. Nice spinner chaser too! Do you also find about 80% of your hits on tubes go to the head of the lure? |
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Location: Cave Run Lake KY. | I have 14 Bulldawg's in my box and I have cut the top big hook of of every one. my hookups' on the dog are about 95% . Cut it even with the top of the bait, Try one to find out for yourself. I fish the dog fast in a fast walk the dog retive. When a fish hits it she's hooked all you have to do is hang on. Marv. - - - there is no bad way to fish a dog. |
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Location: Wisconsin River | I also have had hooking problems with nose rigged tubes. Jig rigs seem to work much better but tend to run too deep for shallow water. Even though, I would rather get hit alot and loose some. Do you think the front hook should swing free or stick it in the bait for less fouling? |
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| Invader mod. Take a piece of wire ad twist around the front eye and thread it through the rear eyelet and make a loop an inch back. It a simple fix, I will post a few pics of this mod when I can. Haven't lost a fish on an invader after moving the hook back an inch. |
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