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Location: Duluth, MN | Just looks like everyone will have to upsize the Knipex. |
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| The Strib story has been updated to include comments from the Mn DNR. In short, they are NOT happy about not being consulted and are questioning the legality of the restrictions.
I predict this all comes to a head real soon and it's going to get ugly.
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Location: Maine Township, MN | Goes to show the intelligence of our government. Sad. |
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A copy of a letter I just wrote to the writer for the Trib ...I missed her call on Wednesday before she wrote her pieces and have interviewed with her before.
Consider writing the people who have influence, whether its reporting or regulating they need to hear from anglers before this ball really gets rolling and we loose our freedom to access public waters on our schedules.
"Hi Kelly,
Sorry I missed you the other day.
The recent closures (or intent to do so) of ramps in Minneapolis and Shoreview are setting a dangerous precedent that I think is being understated as reported by the media as a whole. The statements from park board and other lawmakers are along the line of "we are not closing the lakes" so that is the published message but in reality they are. By having limited hours for access they are severely affecting who can use these resources of our state. If one works during the "approved" and staffed launching hours you are effectively denied access...if you want to stay out later and fish after dark you do not have that option.
In short if every city or group that has property around a lake has the ability to limit access we lose our ability to freely enjoy the resources of our state....resources we all pay taxes to support.
Invasive's managed to come from as far as Europe (Zebra's) to local waters, unfortunately the spread is inevitable.
Please consider this angle.
Thanks and call me anytime when you need something,
Bob Turgeon"
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| Guys, seriously, there is a silver lining here. The restrictions will scare off the joe blow weekend warrior who doesn't care about muskies. Bascially, the guys who don't know how to handle muskies will not bother fishing the city lakes anymore! Fewer catches by inexperienced muskie anglers is a GOOD THING! Those of us who are regulars on the city lakes won't be bothered by the new restrictions one bit.
This is a good thing for the resource. If you care about the muskies in the city lakes, support this new requirement!! It will only improve the system. |
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Location: Milwaukee, WI | Admittedly, I am neither a legal expert nor a resident of Minnesota. But... there is no way that this can be constitutional, can it? Would this stand up to a legal challenge? I would think there would be a number of firms willing to take this case pro bono for the opportunity to take on and beat the state. The PR value alone would justify the expense, I'll bet. |
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Location: Okoboji | Guest - 6/22/2012 10:45 AM
Guys, seriously, there is a silver lining here. The restrictions will scare off the joe blow weekend warrior who doesn't care about muskies. Bascially, the guys who don't know how to handle muskies will not bother fishing the city lakes anymore! Fewer catches by inexperienced muskie anglers is a GOOD THING! Those of us who are regulars on the city lakes won't be bothered by the new restrictions one bit.
This is a good thing for the resource. If you care about the muskies in the city lakes, support this new requirement!! It will only improve the system.
huh?? so what about fishing at night on these lakes? how is this good for the musky fisherman? Also fishing during the week is out of the question. nothing good at all about this. |
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Location: Victoria,MN | !!!
Edited by T-Bone 6/22/2012 12:10 PM
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| Guest - 6/22/2012 10:45 AM
Guys, seriously, there is a silver lining here. The restrictions will scare off the joe blow weekend warrior who doesn't care about muskies. Bascially, the guys who don't know how to handle muskies will not bother fishing the city lakes anymore! Fewer catches by inexperienced muskie anglers is a GOOD THING! Those of us who are regulars on the city lakes won't be bothered by the new restrictions one bit.
This is a good thing for the resource. If you care about the muskies in the city lakes, support this new requirement!! It will only improve the system.
Not only delusional, but selfish too. Best thing about the metro fishery is Joe Shmo has a chance a nice fish, like the rest of us who are lucky enough to have boats. |
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Location: Victoria,MN | kodiak - 6/22/2012 12:03 PM
Guest - 6/22/2012 10:45 AM
Guys, seriously, there is a silver lining here. The restrictions will scare off the joe blow weekend warrior who doesn't care about muskies. Bascially, the guys who don't know how to handle muskies will not bother fishing the city lakes anymore! Fewer catches by inexperienced muskie anglers is a GOOD THING! Those of us who are regulars on the city lakes won't be bothered by the new restrictions one bit.
This is a good thing for the resource. If you care about the muskies in the city lakes, support this new requirement!! It will only improve the system.
huh?? so what about fishing at night on these lakes? how is this good for the musky fisherman? Also fishing during the week is out of the question. nothing good at all about this.
Jason I was trying to ignore that fool!
Once Again...Thanks bturg!!!
Edited by T-Bone 6/22/2012 12:10 PM
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| Plenty of public spaces have hours of operations. You can go to state and national parks and they actually close areas to all use for the habitat as well. Not really a legal issue at all that standsouts unless public water has special regulations. H |
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| Homer - 6/22/2012 12:51 PM
Plenty of public spaces have hours of operations. You can go to state and national parks and they actually close areas to all use for the habitat as well. Not really a legal issue at all that standsouts unless public water has special regulations. H
That may be true, but we're not talking about national parks here. We are talking about restricting public access to lakes for everyone but those folks who live on the lake and keep their boat on the lake. A lot of guys like to demonize the lake associations here, but if you live on the lake and keep your boat in the garage you'll be restricted just like everyone else. |
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| Talked with Kelly at the trib for a bit and also please note it's Shorewood not Shoreview as I originally wrote.
If any one hears more detail about closings or challenges to the same please let me know so I can share that with her and make efforts to have the whole issue noted not just the Park Board policy statement's .
I'm not sure why some folks here don't see this as a big step to having limited access to any lake with a special interest group that can lobby to shut it down. Lets not forget that the group that got X-Mas lake a gate and hourly regulations wanted to do the same on Tonka and others lakes in the area as well. They just picked on a lake that they had pull with the city on.
Do you want the city/county/state telling you what hours you can access waters. |
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| What if you dump your boat in at 6:30 am during the week, and only want to fish until noon? They closed the landing at 10:00am. Now what? If the launch isn't open, you're not getting OFF the lake either. |
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| The spread of invasives cannot be stopped.. i think it is big waste of time and money to even attempt to try eliminate the spread.
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| esoxaddict - 6/22/2012 2:41 PM
What if you dump your boat in at 6:30 am during the week, and only want to fish until noon? They closed the landing at 10:00am. Now what? If the launch isn't open, you're not getting OFF the lake either.
Probably would only do that once and then figure it out from there. H |
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| talked to the MPL's parkboard today abot this issue they said its full speed ahead with this program and WILL happen
the scary thing is nobody there knew what was going to happen after sept 30th when the inspectors are not on duty anymore,,,I do know this the sailboat bouy rentals have to clear the lake by Oct 7-8th Columbus day
just my opinion but Im guessing now that theres no more sailboat use of the bouys the city will shut the whole lake down to incoming boat traffic on Oct 1st otherwise it wouldnt make any sense to have the inspection program through sept 30th which means we lose what is considered to be the best trophy window Oct-Nov. again just my opinion
The person in charge of or contact is gone for rest of day fri-22
her name is Deb Pilger of MPL's parkboard
612-313-7728
if you want more info give a call but "please' dont get on the voicemail and rant and rave" A couple of us have left a message to call back |
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| Bob,
Carver County had been requested by Friends of Lake Bavaria, the lake association, to add a gate at the launch and require all boats to be inspected at Lake Minnewashta prior to launching. (7 miles between lakes is what I've heard).
I have heard, but can't personally confirm, that the County only agreed to add add inspectors at the Bavaria launch. No blackout times for accessing the lake. No gate.
I feel this is going to put a lot of pressure on the DNR to develop a coordinated strategy. Seems like inspectors could be funded via Legacy Funds. |
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Location: deephaven mn | esoxaddict - 6/22/2012 2:41 PM
What if you dump your boat in at 6:30 am during the week, and only want to fish until noon? They closed the landing at 10:00am. Now what? If the launch isn't open, you're not getting OFF the lake either.
not allowing you on without an inspection is understandable, but not letting you off the lake is ridiculous! |
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Location: north central wisconsin | Just curious, how is MN state statute written re: public access to state owned/publicly owned waters? Just wondering if something can be brought up/amended there to ensure this doesn't happen in the future/put this to bed. Scary for residents there for sure, and a wake up call elsewhere. |
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Location: Duluth, MN | I suppose if the city owns the access they can probably do as they see fit (not that it's necessarily the right right thing to do. If it is private or state owned that would seem to be a different story. We should be pushing for more state owned (or private) accesses and just carry a bolt cutters in the mean time. Also, I think it will be really interesting the first time someone can't get their boat off of a lake that gets violent and there's an injury, death, or property damage. It would seem like the city may be in for a lawsuit. |
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Location: Minneapolis | Christmas lake homeowners association worried about invasive species (AKA other people using "their" lake). |
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Location: north central wisconsin | Also, are they trying to keep invasives out of the lakes named here, or out of other lakes in the area? Just curious, as a couple of the lakes in question are already infested with certain invasives, some of it spread by the use of lake Assn funded weed cutting/moving/uprooting over the past decade or so.
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| Mpls also charges $35 for parking passes...so you pay for a pass but are denied access to the lakes?
In the metro the battle against invasives is a joke. This is about something else. There is alot of money being put into staffing those accesses.
Edited by muskyball 6/23/2012 9:20 AM
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| I emailed several of the Park Board staff; my primary question was in regard to getting off the water if there were no inspector (say you launch at 6 and fish till noon).
A response from the assistant superintendent of operations was : "You will be able to exit anytime by dropping the chain and replacing it after you remove your boat. The restriction hours only apply to launching."
So, not so bad if you fish in the AM or at night... but for early afternoon not good... and fall fishing uncertain. |
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| So there's a Constitutional right to fish in Minnesota, just not from a boat when the launches are chained shut?
http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/cco/rules/mncon/Article13.htm
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| lol, fishing is protected, but it doesn't seem as if sailboating made the list of miscellaneous subjects. |
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | If they took $.01 of Federal dollars they can't limit the access like this. It's through Federal Statute that allows us all access to ALL waters in the USA. I've spoken to some people who are in the know and it's doubtful they will be able to shut it down. It may go to court, but in the end they can't do it.
What is scary is that a lot of launches were made with private/city money and they CAN shut them down. There are going to have to be some consequences for these politicians who support this kind of legislation and it needs to be VERY public what they are trying to do. |
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Location: Land of the Musky | Here is an easy way to shut this down. Support it but ONLY if there are NO boats allowed on the lake when the launches are closed. Then even the people who live on the lake are not allowed to have their boat undocked and all boats must be docked or off the lake during these "Closed" times.... My guess is they will not support that one  With this crappy economy I would think they would have better things to do than this. Like help feed hungry out of work families! |
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| Shawn and/or Bob:
Do either of you know how much water dumps into Minnehaha from Lake Minnetonka? If its a considerable amount do you think zebra mussels, considering their incredibly adaptable and dynamic abilities, could spread from Tonka into the city lakes via Minnehaha?
Just curious. Thanks.
Ryan Connelly |
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