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| Jerry Newman - 6/15/2012 2:27 PM
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If you've discovered something on your own and then it becomes overrun in a couple of years... who's really to blame?
Not to overstate the obvious, but if that happens it's your own fault, unless you've kept your mouth shut about it. How many of the MN guys crying about the pressure on their fisheries were our in force posting big fish pictures and talking about how great the fishing was 5 - 10 years ago?
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Location: Northern New Jersey | although people sometimes catch a lot of flack from others on forums and other sites, i think it is a generally good thing for musky fishing. more info is out there for general public so they an become more knowledgeable. i personally have learned loads from this site and others in the last few months. |
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| I think the internet is a positive tool for musky fishing. Learning about baits and tackle and the how to's and when's are all very good things for everyone. Now, if you feel the need to let everyone in on your little slice of heaven because you just boated a 50" fish and have multiple fish days on that spot. You have no right to complain. Maybe you should have checked your ego at the keyboard. |
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Location: The desert | Clearly positive. Who would know who Brad Nelson is without the Internet? |
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| Zib - 6/15/2012 8:19 AM
For me personally the Internet has had a negative impact on my musky fishing on SC. Being a caster on SC, I used to have most of the areas I fish all to myself. I paid my dues putting in the time to find these spots & endured hours of getting tossed around in my small boat and going home sore.
Along come a few guys that have a strong need for attention and had to post every musky they caught on a local Internet site. Other guys see these posts then talk the attention whores into taking them out for musky and in return these clowns go telling everyone and their uncle where they caught the fish.
To make things worse a retired musky casting guide goes selling a map of 20 of his best casting spots on the lake and advertises this map on a local SC site. Add a few fishing shows into the mix and now one of my favorite spots that never had more than 2 or 3 boats a day fishing musky now has 15+ boats a day fishing it for musky. I’m sure with the recent fishing shows that filmed on SC during the fall bite those areas will be hit hard come this fall.
A lot of guys will say that SC is a big lake and that there’s plenty of musky to go around. When it comes to casting for musky on SC the lake fish’s like a small lake. Opening day this year had a good 40 boats fishing an area that was about 2 miles long by ½ mile wide (spawning area). A few new guys to musky fishing where out there and caught a few then went and posted on the Internet where, when & how they caught them. I’m sure these same guys will be crying come mid summer asking people where the musky are because they can’t catch them anymore.
Darn it! Zib, I'm always looking for new spots to fish out there. I must have missed that post, lol! Where we were that weekend, there were NO muskie boats 90% of the time. The ones we saw did fly-by's. Don't limit yourself so much. They are everywhere your confidence allows them to be.... |
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| The real power of the internet forums is the speed you can learn who is a jerk. Takes a year of company picnics and backyard BBQs to learn what the net shows you in a week. |
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| larryc - 6/15/2012 6:51 PM
The real power of the internet forums is the speed you can learn who is a jerk. Takes a year of company picnics and backyard BBQs to learn what the net shows you in a week.
Well some folks get a bit more out of it than that, but hey If you can learn quickly what typically takes you years on the web. You have found your educational forum. BR |
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| As someone who got back into Muskie fishing after over 2 decades, I found it very helpful. Yes, there are some who are rude, dumb, etc., but most are willing to help a new, or in my case, returning fisherman. You can go into lots of stores and buy baits, etc., but having someone with experience provide tips on how to work those baits is a huge help. Tips on what release tools to have handy when fishing by yourself, how to set up the boat when fishing by yourself, those things would take a lot of trial and error but when experienced fishermen share, the learning curve is shortened. |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | Jerry Newman - 6/15/2012 2:27 PM
Kirby Budrow - 6/15/2012 1:17 PM I have met a few guys from just being on forums and facebook included a long lost cousin who have all help me become a better fisherman. I have benefited from it and have been attempting to fish muskies for the last 13 years. Without the internet I would have given up. Of course I hate seeing all those people on "my" lakes that heard about the bite from the internet. I think I was seeing more fish years ago on any given day and i was way worse at fishing. I blame that directly on pressure which mostly comes from the INTERNET! Just my opinion Kirby, I think what you're saying is true to a point... mainly just at at how quickly word spreads nowadays. But I don't think it's just the Internet, there's cellphones, texts, and certainly more of us now... part of what you are saying is the Internet, but the muskie fraternity is actually still very small, and people definitely yack more freely outside the Internet.
Like I said, I've seen fabulous fishing areas/spots get overrun in a matter of a couple of years well before the internet, and hardly anyone had cell phones then too. There's no question that word gets out faster now, and keeping something under wraps is harder these days. If you've discovered something on your own and then it becomes overrun in a couple of years... who's really to blame?
Yes I can see your point too. I fish the same lake every opener and the number of boats increase exponentially every year! I would say it's mostly internet but all sorts of media and people blabbing contribute. Everyone is guilty and its not all bad. Like many say, its good that the sport is growing. I do my best to keep my mouth shut on spots and lakes but when you get to talking with some guys, you can't help but run your mouth a little bit. I just wish I could catch more and bigger muskies and of course I could never blame myself, so it has to be somebody's fault right?!?!?!  Oh yeah, and I voted positive......
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Location: Detroit River | fishblood - 6/15/2012 7:21 PM
Zib - 6/15/2012 8:19 AM
For me personally the Internet has had a negative impact on my musky fishing on SC. Being a caster on SC, I used to have most of the areas I fish all to myself. I paid my dues putting in the time to find these spots & endured hours of getting tossed around in my small boat and going home sore.
Along come a few guys that have a strong need for attention and had to post every musky they caught on a local Internet site. Other guys see these posts then talk the attention whores into taking them out for musky and in return these clowns go telling everyone and their uncle where they caught the fish.
To make things worse a retired musky casting guide goes selling a map of 20 of his best casting spots on the lake and advertises this map on a local SC site. Add a few fishing shows into the mix and now one of my favorite spots that never had more than 2 or 3 boats a day fishing musky now has 15+ boats a day fishing it for musky. I’m sure with the recent fishing shows that filmed on SC during the fall bite those areas will be hit hard come this fall.
A lot of guys will say that SC is a big lake and that there’s plenty of musky to go around. When it comes to casting for musky on SC the lake fish’s like a small lake. Opening day this year had a good 40 boats fishing an area that was about 2 miles long by ½ mile wide (spawning area). A few new guys to musky fishing where out there and caught a few then went and posted on the Internet where, when & how they caught them. I’m sure these same guys will be crying come mid summer asking people where the musky are because they can’t catch them anymore.
Darn it! Zib, I'm always looking for new spots to fish out there. I must have missed that post, lol! Where we were that weekend, there were NO muskie boats 90% of the time. The ones we saw did fly-by's. Don't limit yourself so much. They are everywhere your confidence allows them to be....
A 14' 5" boat with a 25 HP is limited to where it can fish on LSC. Especially on the weekends with all the Tuna boats out there. My son told me today that he wants to fish LSC on Sunday so I'll go out there for him otherwise I would have just slept in. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | After a couple beers and a great dinner of crappies and gills, I proclaim it...neither. |
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| It was a big positive until dudlkslkaldy disappeared. When that happened the joy and laughter stopped. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | touche PP102...without the internet you wouldn't have a forum to be such a clue baby.... ;o) |
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| Can't say that internet Forums have had any impact one way or the other on my fishing---but overall I have to give the Internet a vote of Positive for impact on Muskie fishing because it makes it easier to:
1) shop for lures or about anything else you want to buy
2) research a place you want to fish
3) MapQuest a route to get there
4) find a place to stay
5) email your buddy get the grocery shopping list
6) find a guide to hire if you want one
7) get a reasonable good weather forecast |
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| Both...I have been a member from about day 10. I too used to go to several message boards looking for THE new info, most were the same.Gotta use lure a in place z and lure b in spot zz.... Then there was and still is product bashing,heck,I gotta 100 lures that never lived up to the hype. Peeps bashing was real bad,it has gotten better.I have benn bashed several times,that is why I rarely post,M1st is good about it,might be the best in the www. The good,meet new people,fish new waters,info is readily available. BAD, ONE post about lake X can lead to an enormous ammount of pressure, Lure hype.Just cause personality X has a pic with it/with a fish will not make it the best lure ever! Bashing,can lead to long term grudges etc. Internet fisherman,eg armchair fisherman...anyone can hide behind a "guest name" like I am doing now.used to P me off now I laugh at em... Well I gotta go bash some lures and put down a kid for keeping his first muskie,a 42 1/2 incher. J/K!!! I don't bash lures.... |
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| Positive for the noobs,guides,lures builders etc etc but there is nothing positive for fish.
With internet good spot cant stay secret for long time,
once a big mouth talk too much,the circus go invade and ruined the the lake,and even if cpr is done(not always properly) fisheries go down in quality,quantity everytime,always a matter of time
next one is probably st-clair by chance it's a big buddy of water but imo once again it's just a matter of time.
at the ends the guides,noobs,and the others are the losers.
Take a look at wi the ''musky capital'' it's over fished like hell,even with all the massive stocking program quality is really not there,and it's never gonna be the place to be for big fish in quantity,maybe that's the spray fault hehehe
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Location: minocqua, wi. | learntoswim - 6/17/2012 7:09 AM
Positive for the noobs,guides,lures builders etc etc but there is nothing positive for fish.
With internet good spot cant stay secret for long time,
once a big mouth talk too much,the circus go invade and ruined the the lake,and even if cpr is done(not always properly) fisheries go down in quality,quantity everytime,always a matter of time
next one is probably st-clair by chance it's a big buddy of water but imo once again it's just a matter of time.
at the ends the guides,noobs,and the others are the losers.
Take a look at wi the ''musky capital'' it's over fished like hell,even with all the massive stocking program quality is really not there,and it's never gonna be the place to be for big fish in quantity,maybe that's the spray fault hehehe
i'm remined ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XbL7lG0Su8 |
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Location: WI | I vote positive soley for the education tools available. Proper C&R videos and posts/comments can and do help the sport. |
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| I really don't think there's anything on the interent that you can't find somewhere else. Buy a book, read a magazine, go to a club meeting, watch a TV show, sit in the bar on a Saturday night, spend a day at one of the musky shows, hire a guide, go fishing with your friends, the information is out there all over the place. The really important stuff can only be learned out on the water, by learning from what went wrong and trying to re-create what went right.
Don't get me wrong - The internet makes some of the learning faster and easier, especially when you're new. But you can read about keeping a fish pinned, or making accurate casts, doing a good figure 8, or getting a good hookset, and you still won't be able to do it until you've blown it enough times to be able to FIX what you are doing wrong.
Fun to read other's opinions on gear and tackle and why fish do what they do, but in the end the only thing that really does you any good on the water is whatever you learned on the water. |
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | Hiya,
I will be the first to say that my knowledge base (the boat and motors information) was something I gained through years of reading and trying things I learned from many others on different websites. In terms of muskie fishing, I have found good and bad (as I would expect many have) on various things, and it is amazing how cabin fever starts showing itself within weeks of the end of the season. I truly believe that although some argument start and drag on (and I am guilty of contributing to them from time to time), people may not be as "blunt" in person as they would be online since they cannot hide behind a computer screen. Heck...I can remember times where sled and I would go at it from time to time, but I'd like to meet him someday (and...now knowing he plays golf, all the better...).
Many of the negative aspects have been stated such as regional places/hotspots to fish, but I also look at it this way... If it weren't for places such as muskiefirst, would we see the massive use of longer rods, the double cowgirl or bulldawg (then the magnum, then the pounder) and so on? I would not have learned of those technologies, or techniques to using them without something internet related.
If it weren't for MuskieFirst itself, I would never have met Bigman, TJ DeVoe, Rudy, Steve Worrall, Jerome, and many others, nor would I have learned anything for Lake Vermilion (and that learning curve still has a long long way to go...)
Overall, I would say my experience with the internet is without a doubt more positive than anything.
Steve
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| learntoswim - 6/17/2012 7:09 AM
Positive for the noobs,guides,lures builders etc etc but there is nothing positive for fish.
With internet good spot cant stay secret for long time,
once a big mouth talk too much,the circus go invade and ruined the the lake,and even if cpr is done(not always properly) fisheries go down in quality,quantity everytime,always a matter of time
next one is probably st-clair by chance it's a big buddy of water but imo once again it's just a matter of time.
at the ends the guides,noobs,and the others are the losers.
Take a look at wi the ''musky capital'' it's over fished like hell,even with all the massive stocking program quality is really not there,and it's never gonna be the place to be for big fish in quantity,maybe that's the spray fault hehehe
The best muskie fishing in the World is out east, it stays less pressured because of location and the difficulty in fishing it. Most of the pressure on lakes these days is because of convenience. BR |
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| I think there are a few aces (jacks, queens, kings too) missing from some of our decks. The disconnect is between what we don't like about our web surfing experience and the fact that too many anglers are chasing a realistically small fishery. I don't see the two as connected much really. Where fish are biting does not require the Internet to advertise it. It's a business as well as a hobby and those in the business will get the word out. What we have really is a sport that is simply growing exponentially faster than the numbers of stadiums where we can play the game. If you thought you had a lake that was for you and a few friends, you either don't or soon won't. It's not the net, it's math. |
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| Maybe I am old school and hard headed. But when I read about a "hot bite" or a tatic that is working online, for the most part I disregard that information anyway. I figure by the time the info reaches me, the pattern has changed or it has been over exposed. The internet is a great thing, and the muskies are better off because of it, but fishing has also changed. Something I am continuiously adapting to.
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| For me it's primary positives are for the new angler, videos, articles and hiring a guide to observe how an experienced angler fishes all help shorten the learning curve and the internet is just another tool. All in all for self taught anglers it can be really difficult to get a decent handle on this sport in a reasonable time frame without help. I think the tackle and equipment reviews can be very helpful as well for all anglers new and experienced. Also the ability to research new lakes, stocking reports, arial photos and wheather forcasts is also a powerful tool. I think the negative within the positive is that on a forum a person does have to carefully "sift" through the information given. While all experiences by all anglers are worth hearing, I fear the people with the most experience and knowledge are often the least likely to share because they don't want to have to argue with the less experienced angler who can sometimes come off abrasively.
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Location: 31 | musky-skunk - 6/18/2012 10:56 AM For me it's primary positives are for the new angler, I fear the people with the most experience and knowledge are often the least likely to share because they don't want to have to argue with the less experienced angler who can sometimes come off abrasively. Nice post and I agree with most... I don't think there's any question that for a new angler the internet is probably their most valuable learning tool even though most is printed in books and magazines because it's interactive. I wish I had this when I was a kid!!!
I think the most experienced anglers really just have very little to gain other than the satisfaction of helping others out... and not so much the less experienced abrasiveness. It is true that some people just like to argue, but after a while it's pretty easy to pick up who those people are and then simply ignore them. There are 2 people who frequent this site that I will never acknowledge or reply to... I don't even read their posts. I sincerely believe you will all get out of muskie first what you put in it. I've actually spent quite a bit of time posting my experiences and opinions here for what they are worth, and feel that I've gotten every bit of that back... and then some. Cheers.
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| That is a good point and I agree completely, the lack of need is probably a far more common reason.
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| First time poster on this forum, just joined today after hearing so much about this site. Very cool forum and site I might add.
I've joined a few musky forums over the past 9 months after deciding to target muskies instead of catching them by accident while fishing for other species. I've found that I've become addicted to the sport and cash poor after building my lure collection. But in general, I think that the internet is a good thing for musky fishing in general, but can see that some negative things can happen.
The positive is, and I can speak from experience, is educating anglers about musky. I've learned a ton of info from musky anglers that I've had the pleasure to fish with, not only about how to fish for them, tackle, etc., but rather how to treat muskies after being caught from a conservation standpoint, what tools to have, etc. to ensure a clean healthy release as much as possible. I've been a CP&R guy for bass and walleyes for many many years, and the muskies that I've caught by accident were also treated with what I thought was the utmost care prior to release. But there were things that I didn't know about that could have put those fish at risk. I know better now.
Bass anglers in my state and others often want muskies and tiger muskies dead, and a little education goes a long way showing that the bass fisheries often improve when musky populations are present. I've seen that.
So, from a conservation standpoint, yes, the net is very helpful.
I can also understand that the net can have a negative impact on fishing, i.e. spot burning/lurkers, etc. But I think that the conservation discussions and the info that people can learn about that far offset any harm that the net has done.
My two cents, plus a couple more.
Thanks for the great forum...I'll be sleepless for many nights trying to catch up on zillions of unread posts here... |
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| Mostly a positive impact, at least on my fishing. Exposure to new techniques, locations, lures, etc. a big plus. You still need to be on the water though, in the right spots, right presentation, right time. The Internet can only take you so far.
I do prefer, though, the musky club interaction and sharing of information. Nothing like to face-to-face interaction. |
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