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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | Just buy STEALTH LEADERS they have a nail knot, a crimp and are glued. they come in 130, 150, and 180lb, Also any one using F/C Leaders under 130lb why ???? |
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Location: Green Bay, WI |
tcbetka
I like the clear coating on the 7 strand. What kind of wire is it and what pound is it.
Also what size sleeves do you use for the wire.
Thanks, Tom
I am not sure what kind of wire it is--I thought it was just steel, but I'll have to dig up a roll and look at it. But it's 135-pound test, and it does indeed have the nylon coating. I thought I was using 2.4mm double-barrel sleeves, but I'll have to confirm those as well.
I can dig out that stuff this afternoon and have a look.
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| A lighter leader is more likely to fail...period. I am not sure how you can argue against that point??
I know of many horror stories where guys do not even use #130 fluoro anymore. Why risk losing a giant fish if you know #180 is better?? I am not aware of one #180 leader failure...probably has failed too...but I haven't heard of any??
I still will not throw dawgs with a fluoro leader because I don't trust them when a piggie grabs the head or inhales the bait. I use 49 strand #175 leaders I make myself and they are flexible and work great. I do not believe that fluoro will outfish these leaders so I will continue to use them.
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| Next thing is that everyone is going to start making their own Bull Dawgs. Keep America employed buy Stealth. |
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| juhas you got the post of the year!!!!!
muhaaaaa |
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| PIKEMASTER - 4/30/2012 3:17 PM
Just buy STEALTH LEADERS they have a nail knot, a crimp and are glued. they come in 130, 150, and 180lb, Also any one using F/C Leaders under 130lb why ????
is that possible for me to make my own?
do you think that company is the only that can make leaders under these specs? |
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Location: Eagan, MN | learntoswim - 5/1/2012 4:46 PM
is that possible for me to make my own?
It is possible, but very un-American, apparently. |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | learntoswim - 5/1/2012 4:46 PM
PIKEMASTER - 4/30/2012 3:17 PM
Just buy STEALTH LEADERS they have a nail knot, a crimp and are glued. they come in 130, 150, and 180lb, Also any one using F/C Leaders under 130lb why ????
is that possible for me to make my own?
do you think that company is the only that can make leaders under these specs?
I have tried to make my own, and what a mess, F/C line is very hard to work with in 130lb and up and the nail knot is almost impossible to get it to close up. I just don't have the time to mess with leaders, plus they are one of the most important parts of catching a musky and I don't want to have a leader fail on me and loose or kill a Musky just to say I made my own leader. |
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Location: Green Bay, WI | Actually, the larger the F/C line is...the easier it is to crimp. By this I mean that you're not as likely to over-crimp the edges inadvertently. That's what I've found anyway. I've crimped 100 and 150 (I think it was 150) pound F/C line, and much preferred the heavier stuff. Very slick.
I made several of those F/C leaders for a couple angler buddies, and they had good luck with all of them...even the 100-pound stuff. So I wouldn't hesitate to crimp that stuff again, it's just that the heavier material is easier to work with in my experience.
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| Reference this for crimping fluoro.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEF7rdI2YR4 |
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Location: Leech Lake, Walker MN | I read this stuff and I'm just biting my tounge about this crimp stuff
I have seen many a broken heart using crimps and this is just my observation over the years. Sorry |
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Location: Leech Lake, Walker MN | And the bottom line is not loosing the great fish that you had on IT'S LEAVING THE LURE IN HER FACE. ,!!!,!!!!!,!!,!!,!,! |
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Location: Green Bay, WI | You're right--people that don't know how to crimp properly risk losing fish. Period. This is why I tell everyone to spend time learning about it, but of course that takes work. Some will do it, some won't--and they may very well lose a fish to a broken leader.
Of course that never happens with tied leaders though.
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Location: Contrarian Island | really tcbetka do tell..you're now telling us that a tied leader can't fail? c'mon..so a guy can improperly crimp but can't improperly tie...this is a fun day on the ol m1st...i was making and using fluoro leaders before a big percentage of people, many of my friends use them...i would venture to guess somewhere in the neighborhood of 1500 fish have been cpr'd w the leaders I make..up to 45 lbs..not one failure and i only crimp them....get a good crimping tool, do it right and why would it fail ? do tell...is 1500+ fish a pretty big sampling? i'd say so... sorry but i have to laugh when i read posts like yours...guys are out there using 65 and 80 lb line in a lot of cases ..hello but the knot will break before a 180 or even 130 lb leader...i've put my weight into my leaders hanging them from a nail in the garage and it held....do tell why crimps fail? good crimps don't fail, improperly made crimps might |
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Location: Madison WI | BN I have agreed with almost all you have said so far on this subject, but I think tcbetka was being sarcastic with his line of tied leaders not failing. I too have been using crimped leaders that my friend makes, every year we crimp a couple up and test them by hanging a trolling motor battery from them. I can't say that during this testing a "crimp" has ever pulled out, it is normally the loop that breaks. We do this to 1st test to make sure the floro hasn't deteriorated over the winter and 2nd to get back in the groove of crimping leaders. I haven't had a crimp break while fishing with these leaders either, I have had them get bitten through (80 and 100lb). I now use 130 or 150#. To each their own, if you want to make them yourself do that, if you want to buy them from a retailer do that. Just make sure that if you are going to make your own leaders to please do it right so you don't have the fish gone with a nice 8 inch + bait stuck in its yapper. Is fishing season here yet so we can stop bickering so much? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | BNelson,
You need to sharpen up your reading comprehension. 
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Location: lansing, il | wow |
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Location: Green Bay, WI | BNelson - 5/1/2012 6:50 PM
really tcbetka do tell..you're now telling us that a tied leader can't fail? c'mon..so a guy can improperly crimp but can't improperly tie...this is a fun day on the ol m1st...i was making and using fluoro leaders before a big percentage of people, many of my friends use them...i would venture to guess somewhere in the neighborhood of 1500 fish have been cpr'd w the leaders I make..up to 45 lbs..not one failure and i only crimp them....get a good crimping tool, do it right and why would it fail ? do tell...is 1500+ fish a pretty big sampling? i'd say so... sorry but i have to laugh when i read posts like yours...guys are out there using 65 and 80 lb line in a lot of cases ..hello but the knot will break before a 180 or even 130 lb leader...i've put my weight into my leaders hanging them from a nail in the garage and it held....do tell why crimps fail? good crimps don't fail, improperly made crimps might
Lighten up Francis, I was agreeing with you.
Anyone that knows me knows that I make crimped leaders, and have for years. My "luck" (preparation meets opportunity) is the same as yours for the most part...except for the number of fish that have been caught on it, most likely.
You can screw up a crimped leader just as easily as you can screw up a tied leader. But for someone who puts in the time and effort to learn the techniques, either should work just fine. I've used Stealth's stuff, and it's great. But I love making my own, so I do that instead. But being that Green Bay isn't exactly the picture of a crystal clear spring-fed pond in most places, I don't need F/C. So I use nylon-coated steel--although back when I used to cast a lot, I really didn't see much of a difference (in terms of fish caught or seen) with any given material.
So keep crimping my friend, I'm singing in your choir...
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Location: Minnesota. | Does anyone still use twisted, coated supple wire and fire the coating to melt it?
Been doing that since 1981 and have never, never had a single fail yet.
I use 80 to 100lb coated, braided (?? well, not a solid wire....been years since I needed to buy any) and twist approx. 4-5" along itself and pass a cig. lighter along the coating to melt it.
Ring on one end and large ball bearing swivel/clip on the other.
Maybe I've just been lucky ??? but it's done me very nicely thus far.
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Location: Eagan, MN | Yup I used the twist melt method a bit back in the 90's. Finished product isn't pretty but never had any problems. |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | go to http://www.leadertec.com/tipsandtechniques/crimp_techniques.html
then go to http://www.sportfishingmag.com/techniques/rigs-and-tips/can-you-tru...
and if you still want to try you will First need a good set of crimping pliers $40-$60 then a 30m roll of Seaguar Premier Big Game Leader F/C about $80.00 - $90.00 then the right crimp sleeves $10.00, so just to get started you will spend over $150.00.
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| If you're looking for pure strength Don Pursch is right on the money. Solid wire leaders won't fail but make sure you bring a handful because they will get kinked. They may also have some affect on the action of lighter lures or surface baits but they are no doubt the best "bite material" available. |
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| comparing Flouro to steel is kind of stupid. Its not the # of the leader, its about the fish biting thru it.. Try nicking a flour leader at 80# with a sharp knife and then do the same to a single strand steel leader and tell me what you would trust more.
your 80# steel is plenty good. I would go more personally but it will work. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | i think Bette's top 3 are decent but just using what you are comfortable with isn't enough imo...a guy might know any better and be "comfortable" with 50lb fluoro throwing dawgs...once informed and armed with the knowledge they will get cut like a hot knife thru butter one should make the wise decision to go with a thicker fluoro.... lots of guys have stories of 130 getting sliced ..it's fairly easy to cut w a shart filet knife.....it's quite a bit harder to slice thru 180...so i use 180.... hopefully threads like this will inform those that don't know any better..... |
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| I have never try a just crimped leaders,but i am sure of 1 thing if thorpe really use the leader he make on the utube video,they are SAFE!
Hey the guys catch more than 30/50 inchers each year so i think his leader can be considered safe no??
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| PIKEMASTER - 5/1/2012 2:17 PM
Just buy STEALTH LEADERS they have a nail knot, a crimp and are glued. they come in 130, 150, and 180lb, Also any one using F/C Leaders under 130lb why ????
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Location: Contrarian Island | saltwater guys just crimp leaders and catch 1000 lb tuna w "just" a crimped leader....and we are worried about a 40 lb musky if we are lucky enough to hook a 40 lber... |
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| BNelson - 5/2/2012 10:43 AM
....just using what you are comfortable with isn't enough imo....
.... lots of guys have stories of 130 getting sliced ..it's fairly easy to cut w a shart filet knife.....it's quite a bit harder to slice thru 180...so i use 180.... hopefully threads like this will inform those that don't know any better.....
so just using what we're comfortable with isn't enough, but you're comfortable with 180# so it's ok, as judged by yourself? why stop there? why even risk leaving a bait in a fish period? why even use a material for leaders like floro that obviously CAN be cut by a fishes teeth, just because it's less visible in the water. nevermind you're pulling your bait straight back to the boat every cast, think the fish doesn't know you're there?
let's be honest with ourselves and admit anything that's not wire has a much higher potential to break, and anything that's crimped is absolutely subject to fail. not trying to ruffle any feathers but there's a reason i only use single strand wire, looped and twisted. crazy thing is, if it gets kinked i bend it back. or it costs me $.04 for another foot of wire and i'm retied.
i got sick of hearing about big fish breaking floro leaders for whatever reason last fall, all of them coming from guides and people who should know better, hence the rant. people use 180 because 150 didn't work, what happens when 180 doesn't work? does everyone have to kill one big fish before they rethink floro? at $8 a pop I'm surprised it's taking so long. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | let me know when you hear a 180 got cut...as i mentioned me and the guys i know who use the ones i make have zero occurrences of that happening. 1500+ fish....
one can play devils advocate all day long if they want to ...at the end of the day does that prove much? |
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| BNelson - 5/1/2012 2:09 PM
saltwater guys just crimp leaders and catch 1000 lb tuna w "just" a crimped leader....and we are worried about a 40 lb musky if we are lucky enough to hook a 40 lber... ;-)
lol so true,some musky guys just love to exaggerate other thing than the size of their fish |
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