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Location: minocqua, wi. | sam ... subtract 80-90% of what you type and your message might be coherent, but asking us to suffer through a re-read is a bit harsh! |
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | Sled,
Wanna go fishing? You made me hungry!!
Steve
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| LOL, point taken, Sled. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Sam,
What?
Never mind...
Venison chile for lunch today. |
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| As mentioned above... I think Uncle Ted says it best.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aauk7Ub_JGQ&feature=youtube_gdata_pl... |
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| The beast is dead, long live the beast
I wish he had a fishing show. That would be worth the watch. |
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| moose chili t-day.
If you grew up in an era of 5 kids 1 income,whats caught or shot. It all went on the table. Before we shake our fists and say,thats not right. Think, sure theres fish, and game. What are the collective tree huggers doing. Do they try to reduce pollution,enhance game habitat. . man folks only see what they wanna see.
Take off the blinders man. |
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Location: Minnetonka | Seriously? - 1/2/2012 11:11 AM
Well ultimately, if the hunter/fisherman has a license and legally takes the game, it's their decision to keep it or release it. Personally, no, I don't keep muskies. And conservation aside, it's because I don't want to mess with cleaning them and with a limit of one per day, I can keep fishing if I release them. I don't claim to be any more noble or ethical than the guy that keeps a fish.
The "its their decision" mentality and teachings are what sends the whole process of conservation backwards. Knowing what we know today, if we want to preserve the species we shouldn't intentionally kill them for our personal desires.
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Location: minocqua, wi. | VMS - 1/2/2012 8:35 PM
Sled,
Wanna go fishing? You made me hungry!!
Steve
should do just that Steve! ... i'll be on the ice in Wisconsin this week and into the weekend and hopefully over in Minnesota during the middle of the month. are you guys able to drill holes on the river near you??? or do you have to travel for ice? |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | I plan on hitting lake michigan hard next season. Anything legal that hits the net, hits the cooler, then the grill. They're yummy, good for my diet and they're put there to be killed. |
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| yellow perch is my fav meat/forage etc, take it over prime rib,shrimp,,,shore lunch original and a side a beans is better then any Manhattan high priced chow |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | do you pat them dry and go direct with shorelunch or do you batter with milk and/or egg? beans .. calico?, black?, baked? ...
i've gone lighter and lighter on batter as i've gotten older ... try the light salting of lawry's once on top of that shore-lunch.
name your favorite fowl ... ruffed grouse breast for me!!! shoot em for fun and eat em just cuz their good hungry or not and whether i need em or not!! |
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| I've tried just about everything. Shore lunch is in the top 3. Flour, then egg, then shore lunch. Last time I made fish I tried breading them in smashed up saltine crackers. That is my new favorite!
As for fowl? Pheasant is good, but a bit gamey. I prefer duck. |
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | Hi Sled,
We have some safe ice finally around the Twin Cities. I don't think it is quite ready for ATV use, but it should be awfully close.
Where you plan on going in MN? I'll be up north on the last weekend of January hopefully
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Location: minocqua, wi. | cube the duck and soak it in buttermilk overnight, bake and then serve it with wide-ribbon egg noodles and covered with a white-wine white sauce ... :0)
i gave up on the egg batter cuz it seems to just make a mess frying and the batches are inconsistent ... but a good cracker-crumb batter is hard to beat!!! here's a hint ... try it with pheasant too!!! and then casserole in a cream soup sauce with more crackers on top ... side of garlic mashed taters and you're in for a good nap afterwards.
jeff, i assume you bake your muskies on a plank??
i heard horror stories on the ice conditions in MN the past couple weeks! ... it made national news ... late January fishing in MN looks like it's probable for me. i'll be at our place in New Prague. we fish Cedar and Prior and head to Mille Lacs on a weekend or 2 ... i'll give a shout. we usually stay at the red door on the north end and then venture out from there with an ATV and portable shack. i need to get me a v-nose baaaaaaadddd!!!!
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| the white meat of a fresh shot wild turkey is pretty d## good too,,baste em alot!!! wild turkeys have alot less fat on them then domestic. |
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Location: Home of the 2016 World Series Champion Cubs | Slamr - 1/3/2012 9:57 AM
I plan on hitting lake michigan hard next season. Anything legal that hits the net, hits the cooler, then the grill. They're yummy, good for my diet and they're put there to be killed.
Andrew. Really??? If I recall you actually need to get "on" the water in order to have a chance at catching something. Then comes that small technicality of putting something "in the net" before you can actually put it in the cooler and subsequently on the grill. Are you actually gonna be that guy this coming year? |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | KARLOUTDOORS - 1/3/2012 8:01 PM
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Andrew. Really??? If I recall you actually need to get "on" the water in order to have a chance at catching something. Then comes that small technicality of putting something "in the net" before you can actually put it in the cooler and subsequently on the grill. Are you actually gonna be that guy this coming year?
Check your PMs, Officer . Also, you coming to the swap? I always love seeing your menagerie of crap you sell there.. |
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Location: SE Wisconsin | Interesting discussion so here's a little to chew on and in no way directed to any specific post or person.
Above, Woodie's input was pretty solid. He asked what the tree huggers are doing in the way of abatement and enhancing natural resources.. I'd say there are many who are takers and simply not willing to give. On the other hand, there are many who may also lack understanding of the driving force that keeps us sportsman on the water and in the woods. One thing I wish was more clear to those who cast negative judgment on sportsman who harvest fish and game is the margin of time spent doing what is we love and how often we actually take something home. If it's used and eaten the same as a pre-packaged steak, it should be respected all the same and maybe a little bit more.
I've been asked far too many times why I hunt by non-hunters who eat meat. Plain and simple, no non-hunting meat eater can argue that chickens aren't born as a breasted filet wrapped in suran wrap and laid upon a styrofome plate with a price tag and sku label on the packaging.. Neither is pork, beef, turkey, lamb, fish, what have you.. It all has to die, right? When things get heated in these discussions I venture to challenge anyone who holds a complete disregard for harvesting fish and game to go ahead and youtube how livestock is slaughtered and how chickens are raised before winding up on sale for $'s by the pound and displayed across 30 yards of open refridgerated shelves along the back wall of nearly any grocery store...
I still buy beef, pork, lamb, chicken, fish, etc., but I sure as heck take more pride in harvesting a free ranging deer, turkey, pheasant, grouse or wild caught fish on my own. There's something more meaningful about every swallow of an animal or fish when you know how it lived and died. Rising early, the challenge of the hunt or catch, the successful harvest of the catch, the cleaning process, to cooking it and consuming.. there's really nothing quite like it. So if it's a resource that's available in safe numbers for harvest, it's taken legally and with respect, and you have the gut for it and fancy the taste of wild caught fish and game, than it is your God given right. If you understand all of this, yet don't enjoy the taste (whether it's in your head or you had it ill-prepared) or aren't up to pullin the trigger, loosing an arrow or throwing a fish on ice after the catch, it's unfair to cast assumptions to those who harvest fish and game.
Mounting fish and animals is a personal thing. I have replicas of musky and bass, as well as a skin mount of a musky and a couple of deer. My motivation is WAY more than ego, it's a perfect blend of honoring the animal because I personally feel that way, as well as the re-living those chapters every time I look at them on the wall, plus I honestly just like the way the look. |
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Location: Home of the 2016 World Series Champion Cubs | Slamr - 1/4/2012 8:34 AM
Check your PMs, Officer . Also, you coming to the swap? I always love seeing your menagerie of crap you sell there..
Just found a flow-bee in the neighbors trash that I though would be perfect for the swap and "draw a few lookers" I could set it aside for you if you'd like? Its totally cherry too!
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| Next year when I go deer hunting I'm leaving the 30-06 at home and taking my paint ball gun! |
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Location: Kansas City BBQ Capitol of the world | I agree but I disagree and unless the rules change there will be no way round it. This year I have seen so many "Beasts from the East" that would make Louis Spray pucker up his ass and run on home. It's a shame but the only way to get this record legitimized is to take out a super tanker. That's the rules. And if you do catch a fish that big that fish will be analyzed by every swinging dick on the planet. Catch and release will always be questioned.
I know exactly what the length, girth and weight is of the record fish is my state and I bet most of you do too, and I'm chasing it.
I'd like to think of us as professional and wouldn't take a fish just to take a fish. Whatever State we may be in we know what that number is and if you got it. I say take it.
Fish smart, know your line and get #*#* done.
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| My daughter just got done doing a project about 'Factory Farming" for high-school. After listening to her and reading her sources description, I am going to be killing more things, not less. Somehow I'm getting back into deer hunting, I will selectively harvet panfish, walleyes, pike and others. Unlike Steve, I won't eat bass. YUCK :p I hate Lake Michigan fish, so they are out, but I know people who raise free range beef cattle, and I will contact them at least once a year.
I just had a discussion with the meat manager at a local Pick n Save, and asked why he had a big sign saying, "Our Beef is Certified 90% Corn Fed"? He said because that's the best. The most tender. Then I asked him if he knew that cows couldn't digest corn and they live their entire life with diarheah....imagine that, a lifetime colonoscopy prep. Anyway, I'll never be a vegatarian and I believe animals were created to be eaten, but after reading a fraction of what my daughter found out, I'm going to change my eating habits.
Nodoby likes to kill, but everybody likes to eat.
I almost forgot...I don't care about the world record or who caught it. I only care about the rules in my boat, because that's the only place that I have authority....anyway, if you fish with me, bring your best camera, because every fish that we catch will be released no matter how big. I don't need any fame or ego-stroking. If that's your bag, then you'll have to kill a bahemouth......#*#*, 1/8 oz short. I thought for sure I had it.
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| I have no idea what the records are where I fish. I don't care. Catching a record fish isn't going to change my life any. Even a world record might get you 15 minutes of fame and an article or two. And considering the current world record is obviously not as big as claimed, caught in a place where there are not now and never have been fish of that caliber? It all seems sort of pointless. We've got a fish here -- 55x29, quite possibly the biggest fish ever caught, and people are questioning the size of the anglers head? Hmph. I'll stick to beating my own benchmarks - my personal best, most fish in a day, better average than last season... Even then, I'm just fishing because I love it out there. It's all about creating memories I can talk and laugh about, and being out on the water with my friends. If you're out to beat some record? More power to you. It's good to have goals. The older I get, the more I realize that another season on the water having fun is accomplishment enough. If I can fish more next year than I did this year? Well, it will be a good year!
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Location: Kansas City BBQ Capitol of the world | esoxaddict, if your responding to my post let me shed a little bit of light on it. Where I live it is probably one of the most Southern States that have Muskies. In 40 years of stocking a 50 inch fish has never been caught. Sure the Muskie spawn but none of them make it. They stock the crap out of these lakes because most of them die. The summers get to up to 115 degrees and the heat stunts the fish and there life spans. All the lakes are Army core lakes and a few of them just don't have the characteristics of producing big fish. In Minnesota I have caught fish I will never catch here and have let them all go. Up there it is a natural process and they do get bigger. Here (if) you get a big one (48) chances are it will soon be dead, Yeah it sucks. The numbers don't lie. Down here, like I said not one 50 in 40 years. I want to promote Muskie fishing and have the DNR expand on there stocking programs to try other lakes. Word of mouth and Press will only help the sport here. No one cares about catching a 28" Tube sock. It's a different situation than living in Clayton or on Leech. It's not about personal glory but more of a promotion of the sport down here. Hell, I've had guys ask me if a Muskie is some sort of a Beaver!!!! If ya don't get it, you just don't get it and that's ok.
I agree with all you said about personal benchmarks, memories and laughs. It's all part of the fun. Well, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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| jesus, get over it. Remember the 80yr old guy oar trolling in Wi. Everyone had a p/fit. They will and should be harvested selectively. How in the hell will you get the next world record w/out a dead (fish)body? don k |
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Location: Maple Grove, MN | I have never killed a large freshwater fish and have no plans to do so. Besides the ethics, it costs a lot of money to put a mount on the wall whether it a dead fish or a replica. If I ever did put a fish on the wall, it would be a replica. But I doubt I ever will because I use the following 4 step process of determing whether to get a replica.
1. Take some pictures and release the fish to live and fight another day. (Same as most everyone else.)
2. Wait until the excitement of the catch has faded before even thinking about a replica. (Usually takes 2-3 months.)
3. Then go to the sports shows and get an estimate for a replica. (One can usually save a dollar or two an inch at a sports show.)
4. Take the estimate and then see what one could buy with that money instead.
So far, I have considered getting replicas of several Muskies and large Northerns. But when I follow this 4 step process, I find that I save a lot of money and have a happier wife. Only problem is I then sometimes buy stuff I don't really need......
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| Herb, I like your thinking! The only issue I have is what do you do when said wife decides that SHE wants a replica?? Do you drop the coin for TWO, having no place to put your own? Or do you let her put hers over the fireplace and call it a done deal? |
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Location: WI | Tree huggers where I fish bought an island to help keep it natural. Side benefit is it's one of the main musky spawning areas. I also donated a couple bucks for it. There's another group that also works on restoring/improving habitat. What did the meat fisherman do besides buy a license and keep everything they can?...and litter old line, beer cans and lead sinkers all over. |
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