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| Guest - 8/15/2011 10:37 AM
Do youself a favor and at least test drive a 2011 F-150 crewcab with the Ecoboost engine. Tons of cab space, incredible towing power, and over 20mpg on the highway. The new explorers are awfully nice, too.
I have been intrigued by the ecoboost, but after finding out they do not get anywhere near the published MPG ratings I wrote them off as just another pretender.
The idea makes sense, but to be honest those things will be spendy in the long run if the turbos fail or something else down the line. Better off just sticking with a V8.
I have 218,000 miles on my 2000 GMC Sierra. Just came back from Vermilion and pulling my 185 Tournament Sport I averaged 13.4 MPG and over half of the distance traveled was over 70 MPH.
Regardless of what brand I prefered, if I had tranny issues with any rig I owned I would be looking elsewhere especially in the few miles you have on your rig.
The only repairs I have done are brakes, tires, filters and oil changes.
I always tow in Overdrive, but NEVER use cruise. This is key. You can control shifting so much better and this reduces heat in the tranny.
The 6.0 liter engine that someone referenced has insane towing power, but you would hate the MPG when unloaded because it isnt much better.
I pulled a 32 foot camper with my buddies new Ram and honestly aside from the swaying, never even knew it was back there. Great power, but it got like 10MPG.
Tahoe/Suburan, Expedition, Exlorer or even that new Durango/Grand Cherokee would all be worthy choices for pulling that boat along with the Armada and Sequoia. |
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| ttrap u must be towing something small or u are very lucky the trans is not on the expressway.With all toyotas troubles in recent years it is better to just please stay away.Older models made better, but to small to tow big rigs.I have had no probs with ford transmission your brothers are the first I ever heard with trans problems at that mileage.65,000 really?Toyotas trans go when towing and they tow poorly.I towed a ranger last fall to minetonka with my 97 expedition I live in chicago my neighbor has one with 300,000 mine only has 186,000.I have zero oil leaks and I no for a fact toyotas leak oil, like a babies diaper.0723
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Location: minocqua, wi. | Captain - 8/18/2011 1:12 PM
The 6.0 liter engine that someone referenced has insane towing power, but you would hate the MPG when unloaded because it isnt much better.
16-17 on average ... combo of highway and around town.
19 empty and on the highway ...
not sure where you get your data, but the 6.0 turbo-diesel is far from what you suggest at least from what i've experienced over the past 220,000 miles. |
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| jonnysled - 8/18/2011 1:27 PM
Captain - 8/18/2011 1:12 PM
The 6.0 liter engine that someone referenced has insane towing power, but you would hate the MPG when unloaded because it isnt much better.
16-17 on average ... combo of highway and around town.
19 empty and on the highway ...
not sure where you get your data, but the 6.0 turbo-diesel is far from what you suggest at least from what i've experienced over the past 220,000 miles. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | ahhh ... gotcha
also, i know the ford eco-boost motors are new and we all have probably experienced "new", but the thing underneath the hood of this SHO is a beast for power. i'd snap up a truck with one in it in a "heartbeat" ...
Obama still running Government Motors?? |
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| jonnysled - 8/18/2011 1:46 PM
Obama still running Government Motors?? Nope, GM and Chrysler are both free and clear. Both paid their debt ahead of schedule. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | those big new Nissan/Infinity Q vehicles sure are nice ... you'd have to be a jewish guy from the city to afford one though!! :0) |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | Captain - 8/18/2011 2:20 PM
jonnysled - 8/18/2011 1:46 PM
Obama still running Government Motors?? Nope, GM and Chrysler are both free and clear. Both paid their debt ahead of schedule.
this from a guy who owns a business in the supply-chain for the big (3) ... for a long time he was associated with Ford and would tell of their reality when most thought they were failing 5-7 years ago amidst product-line trimming, plant closings etc... times were tough and they made tough business decisions.
GM rode like nothing was happening and then stood with their hands out taking the "stimulus" and then forced their suppliers to concede and "go down with them" if they didn't make it. so, we the taxpayers bail them out and then give stock to the Chinese as part of an overall loan program. now that they have "returned" and are recording profits ... what do you think they've "shared" with the suppliers they forced into the trouble "with them"???? you got it ... NADA
read some details, talk to some of their suppliers and get a feel for how the whole thing really went down.
no argument, the tahoe and the suburban are best in class ... of a company that has none. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | dude ... you and i funded the devaluation of GM Stock, then our Government sold it "at a discount that we paid for" to the Chinese. |
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| I own an F-150 Crew Cab 4x4 Ecoboost. If I set the cruise between 60 and 65, I actually get above the stated 21mpg highway. If I am at 60mph on a flat road, I've seen it go as high as 24mpg. I live in the twin cities, and I average about 17.5mpg around town. The mileage has everything to do with driving habits. Use the cruise control and you'll get about 10% better mileage than without. Keep it under 70 and you'll get better mileage.
Towing a 2,500# boat I get about 15mpg (maybe 15.5) when running about 65 on the highway. Driving around the twin cities I get 17-18mpg, with a mix of residential driving and short runs on the interstate (no cruise control). On my drive to the cabin (mostly 60-65mph) I can average over 20mpg on the 3 hour cruise.
There is a fuel economy gauge on the dash of my truck that I've tested to know it's accurate. Frankly the thing will teach you how to drive to conserve gas if you want to pinch pennies. If you use the cruise and don't have a lead foot (which is very tempting and darn fun because the thing is so powerful) and you'll get outstanding mileage with the ability to tow any rig with ease -- many compare the power to a diesel, which is reasonable in my experience thus far.
The Ecoboost does get the mileage Ford claims.
Anyway, it can't hurt to take a couple test drives in various makes and models before the purchase. Try a Ford and you might be suprised at how nice they are these days. |
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| Sled, you sound like a true union man when you talk about GM not sharing profits with the suppliers. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | owned and run by folks who would understand a true union and socialized workforce ... the Chinese will fit right in as their leaders ... a match made for each other i suppose.
not surprising you sign something like that as a "guest" ... LOL |
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| jonnysled - 8/18/2011 2:50 PM
owned and run by folks who would understand a true union and socialized workforce ... the Chinese will fit right in as their leaders ... a match made for each other i suppose.
not surprising you sign something like that as a "guest" ... LOL
Though I think these posts have completely taken away from the intent of this whole topic, I will add something.
IMO No one should have stepped in to help GM or Chrysler or the Banks or Insurance Companies. Let them all fail. Then let the chips fall where they may.
What would have happened in at least the case of GM and Chrysler is that they could have at least gotten out from under the HUGE pensions they pay and opened the door for competition kicking the unions out.
Yeah, this may have meant that thousands would have lost their jobs, but I think in the long run it would have made companies like GM and Chrysler better equiped to compete from a profitability standpoint against the other auto makers.
The American Companies have quality that is ON PAR or BETTER than the Japanese in many categories, but they have failed to be able to be profitable because the only way they can sell their vehicles is to have tremendous incentives through 0% interest or huge rebates. The Japanese companies only started these things in recent years because the economy was in the tank. They make huge profits on their vehicles. GM and Chrysler have to pay for all those folks getting pensions and the unions high dollar salaries.
I know that wont be popular with the pro-union crowds, but in reality, that is what needed to happen.
If Obama would have given every person over 18, $40,000 it would have done more for the economy than the stimulus did and the total spend would have been about the same.
Instead, we have huge mortgage forclosure, major company bailouts, etc and other incentives that bumped the economy along for a little bit only to come crashing down again. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | Halleluya ...
take Tesla motors who benefitted from a crashed economy. they moved into a failed auto manufacturing facility and are creating unique products that may change the future of transportation. what happens as a result of failure might have become a renewal of something worth more than that which failed.
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| 0723 - 8/18/2011 1:21 PM
ttrap u must be towing something small or u are very lucky the trans is not on the expressway.With all toyotas troubles in recent years it is better to just please stay away.Older models made better, but to small to tow big rigs.I have had no probs with ford transmission your brothers are the first I ever heard with trans problems at that mileage.65,000 really?Toyotas trans go when towing and they tow poorly.I towed a ranger last fall to minetonka with my 97 expedition I live in chicago my neighbor has one with 300,000 mine only has 186,000.I have zero oil leaks and I no for a fact toyotas leak oil, like a babies diaper.0723
You obviously had some problems with a Toyota yourself and you took it that all their vehicles are bad. My brother tows a 18ft lund with his tundra and loves it over his f150(his preference). He runs a landscaping company and tows everything from bobcats, to mowers, to 10 plus yards of mulch with zero problems with over 100,000 miles. His two f150's went out at 65000. But as far as all the problems toyota's have do you care to elaborate?? Every manufacturing company has recalls at some point as a matter of fact I think ford had a big recall right after toyota did but since we(the government) bailed them out and didn't want to hurt there sales any more it wasn't talked about near as much as the toyota recall.
As for the original question not wanting a truck and wanting a suv, you might as well get a cadilliac escalade. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | care to elaborate on the "ford recall bailout"??? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | ttrap u must be towing something small or u are very lucky the trans is not on the expressway.With all toyotas troubles in recent years it is better to just please stay away.Older models made better, but to small to tow big rigs.I have had no probs with ford transmission your brothers are the first I ever heard with trans problems at that mileage.65,000 really?Toyotas trans go when towing and they tow poorly.I towed a ranger last fall to minetonka with my 97 expedition I live in chicago my neighbor has one with 300,000 mine only has 186,000.I have zero oil leaks and I no for a fact toyotas leak oil, like a babies diaper.0723
That's crap. OFM had two Toyota Tunrdras, one is my son's now and the other Zach drives. LOTS of miles and no issues with engine or tranny in either. I know lots of other Pro anglers who chose to buy Toyota and are towing 20' boats LOTS of miles who are extremely happy. I have two Fords. One has hub problems now that will cost me a few bucks. The other won't engage in 4wd any more...have to take her in. Love 'em both, and one is a 1995.
What would I buy if I had the choice to buy new today? One of the four, Ford, Chevy, Dodge, or Toyota. All are nice rides.
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| Ford all the way sworall and ttrap, they were not bailed out by the gov either. I remember being in a toyota going up the bong bridge in wisc or minn I asked Jimmy what is wrong with your car because it was going 15 to 20 mph at the maximum going up the bridge he said nothing.Toyota equals no power like myself and others have stated.Slamr if you are going down the streeet get a toyota if you are going to use your truck get a Ford.Look at all the post everybody tells you ford.Expedition has the same parts as the lincoln town car. 0723
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| Toyota no power? That is funny. The iforce has a tremendous amount of power. They did have lots of camshaft and tyranny issues at first though.
I can't get myself to buy a Japanese truck. Sorry. Not gonna happen. I thought the ecoboost was interesting until I learned fuel economy was far from advertised.18 tops heck I get that with my old blue hair truck. I know some are getting good mileage with ecoboost, but there are a lot that aren't |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | 0723,
You are not only wrong, you are REALLY wrong, my Tundra kicked every Ford I have driven right square in the HP with power and acceleration, especially pulling a boat, and did it with the best braking system I've ever experienced and excellent loaded mileage too. The interior was VERY nice, build nice and tight, and the ride quieter than most vehicles I've been in. Beautiful truck all the way around and a joy to drive for 108,000 miles other than one issue...a bad exhaust cooling fan. Doesn't mean Ford isn't a great truck, as I said I own two right now. So enough of the fence post leg lifting, it's unbecoming.
And my Tundra was built in Texas.
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| Okay yes with my 4runners I only tow a magnum but never claimed that I pulled anything big. But slamr said he is pulling a 1760 the newer body style 4runners with v8's will pull that boat no problem. I wish I could buy something "american made" but coming from my family that is not possible. My dad has owned 5 4runners since they first came out, a tacoma, a highlander, my mom has had just about every van made, and a camry , both my brothers have tundras now. My older brother has the crew cab and it has tons of room (really almost as much as a suv)so that will pry be my next tow vehicle. Tons of power, great ride, and you can get most of them cheap right now due to people thinking they suck from the recent recalls. Not taking anything away from ford or any other vehicles, and like all things made there is going to be ones that have problems. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | ttrap - 8/19/2011 12:51 AM
I think ford had a big recall right after toyota did but since we(the government) bailed them out and didn't want to hurt there sales any more it wasn't talked about near as much as the toyota recall.
Not taking anything away from ford or any other vehicles, and like all things made there is going to be ones that have problems.
HUH???? ... "not taking anything away from Ford" !!! ... dude "i think" you have zero idea what you are talking about. maybe go ask your brother or your dad and he can give us his insight on the ford recall and bailout that never happened? |
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| Ford didnt take bailout money, but what GM and Chrysler did through the workings of the bailout is protect themselves from UAW. They have no ability to strike and shutdown operations. This is a good thing for them.
This puts Ford at a tremendous disadvantage because they do not have this ability and UAW will be looking to capitalize.
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| Comparing any Ford that is more than a few years old to the new ones is apples and oranges. And the old ones were good trucks! The new ones are unbelievable. The Ecoboost is brand new this year and there is nothing else like it. Diesel style power and economy in a gas engine. Any truck that gets 18+ mpg and can tow 10,000# is a diesel ... or an Ecoboost. The power has to be experienced to be understood. And did I mention that the Ecoboost gets over 20 on the highway? Gotta use the cruise control to do it consistently, but if you do you can easily average 21-22 on regular highway travel (65mph). |
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Location: Uxbridge Ontario | Captain - 8/18/2011 9:39 PM
Ford didnt take bailout money, but what GM and Chrysler did through the workings of the bailout is protect themselves from UAW. They have no ability to strike and shutdown operations. This is a good thing for them.
This puts Ford at a tremendous disadvantage because they do not have this ability and UAW will be looking to capitalize.
To me, as a buyer, the realization that Ford was not only able to not need the bailout money, but flat out refuse it immediately, should speak volumes to comsumers. But like everything else, what is in the past gets no credit.
My 09 F-150 is the best truck I have owned. I (already owning a Toyota product) would never own another one. Not sure if the price position from Ford and Toyota are the same, but my wifes 2007 Rav4 Sport and my 2009 F-150 Luxury SuperCrew FX4 were within $3,000 of each other. To me this is an absolute joke. She doesn't have Nav or leather and her vehicle seems to be in the shop every other month of sensor issues, air bag problem and door panels constantly falling off. I find her Rav4 to be very lack luster, bland styling and have horrible road noise and interior space. The only thing that vehicle has going for it is that it gets decent mileage (with the V6 Camery engine) and is quite peppy.
We have since ordered a 2012 Explorer Limited 4wd for her, and after the test drive it was an immediate yes. I cant wait for it to come in. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Andrew ain't buying a Pick up. Not a chance. I'm classifying Slamr as an SUV kinda guy. |
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | Captain - 8/19/2011 8:39 AM
Ford didnt take bailout money, but what GM and Chrysler did through the workings of the bailout is protect themselves from UAW. They have no ability to strike and shutdown operations. This is a good thing for them.
This puts Ford at a tremendous disadvantage because they do not have this ability and UAW will be looking to capitalize.
While Ford did not take any bailout money, they were the only domestic auto maker allowed to refinance their loans. GM and Chrysler tried to do the same, but the government told them they had no money. This is what started the entire bailout to begin with.
Buy Detroit and you won't be sorry. Today's Detroit is much better than that of 2005. They simply have to be, or they will go out of business because the government will not bail them out again. |
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| I think Ford was already on the right track, and with the success of the 07 Fusion Ford really nailed down what consumers want. They have since been expanding those features across the product line. So yes, the new Ford vehicles are very different than those of 6 or 7 years ago. Now GM and Chrysler are following suit, as they would not be able to sell anything otherwise. Yes, the foreign vehicles for some time were a much better value than the domestic counterparts. That's no longer the case, as almost any vehicle you buy these days will have excellent initial quality. I really can't say 30K is a great value though. |
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Location: Madison | An unbiased report on Ford's Ecoboost: http://news.consumerreports.org/cars/2011/08/test-complete-video-20...
TL;DR: Doesn't give you extra gas mileage, but not a bad investment if you do a lot of towing. |
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| I had a 1996 Toyota 4runner with a 5 speed manual, hands down the best vehicle I have ever owned. It had the 3.4 liter v-6, and all I did was change the oil and drive it. I sold it to buy a 2008 tundra. This truck has the same engine and tranny as the full size Toyota suv. It tows my esox mag like a dream, and the six speed auto is silky smooth. Gas mileage is between 12 and 14 towing and 17 to 18 without trailer. If it holds up like my 4 runner, it will be my new favorite. |
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