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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | DJ, I question the smallie deal as it is a big thing in northern WI. Just can't assume that because someone says they are bass fishing it is for largmouth.
I believe pike cannot handle higher temps than musky. At least it is a known fact they prefer cooler temps, and thus why the large pike are caught in the summer near the thermocline. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | CiscoKid - 7/21/2011 1:00 PM
it is a big thing in northern WI.
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | jonnysled - 7/21/2011 1:05 PM
CiscoKid - 7/21/2011 1:00 PM
it is a big thing in northern WI.
Wow ...
You say it's not? Lots of guys go up there that target them. And why shouldn't they as it is great fishing. Much better than the largemouth fishing if you ask me. |
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Location: Perryville, MO | A couple of things from my end here and then I'll leave the argument. First bass are alot heartier as I said and it would take a lot of mortality in a system to lead to significant harm. Also, I was actually referencing 90 degree temps. I also said that mid 90's is where I start to wonder a bit about the harm that I'm doing. On Kinkaid most of the guys I know stop at 80 for 'skis. I normally stop before then but that has to do with other pursuits ('gills and the like...plus the Fall is always far better for me).
I would disagree with Travis that the fish should be treated equally (I'm not sure that's what he meant but that how I read it...consistent in our ethics I would agree...but that would be different for how we handle different species). They are clearly different and so different standards of protection apply. What it takes to grow trophy muskie and numbers of them are far different then plentiful black bass and even trophy specimens (especially the further South you go).
It was a good point raised on transport versus immediate release. No question about that...there's a world of difference. But as was mentioned they are in "state-of-art" livewells - what some have suggested as a better environment for the fish than the lake itself. Even yet, it makes a big difference.
Most curious to me was Steve's response that it was an unfair representation of the tourney scene. I think I was gracious to that fact. I mentioned that this was two anglers. Not the whole field. Two anglers who I bet if their names were given would be deeply embarrassed and more than apologetic and likely was not their normal way of going about things. Perhaps they themselves are champions of conservation, but just had a lapse of judgment. I'll grant that they may have just had a bad day. We all do things that are out of character on occiasion. I don't think my "telling of it" is all that bad. Look again, and tell me if I'm wrong. It's just an unfortunate situation and I think that struck a chord with you, Steve, because you know and repect so many of these guys who are good for the resource. I agree that it's disappointing to learn (it was for me) but I'm not so sure I attempted to color the whole conversation with these guys being bad for what they regularly do. As you well know, most of the guys frequenting M1 have the power of discernment. We're talking to fellow angers here, not the genral public. Perhaps the worry is for the guy who trolls (maybe you are aware that that is a more common experience than I'm aware...if that's the case than I would urge you to use your own discernment and pull my orginal response or at least those parts that you deem harmful...I certainly would take no offense if that's the reason behind it).Again I have no desire whatsoever to taint the image of bass professionals or tournament fishing. But again, I think my "telling" was pretty fair.
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| It's more of an issue of dissolved oxygen than water temps. Also, and I only speak for my home waters of N. IL, but the strain of fish that we have (Ohio) was chosen for it's warm water tolerance. These fish here are acclimated to war water, and in fact, they don't really become aggressive until high 70's-low 80's. Fishing in 82 water does not worry me here, especially with the current and oxygen levels. Also, it comes down to handling, and most fish are never taken out of the water. In areas such as WI and MN were water temps are not normally this high, I absolutely agree that fishing should stop at 80, because the fish just aren't used to it. I personally believe the stop level where I'm at is 85. The fish are still aggressive, but a line has to be drawn. Plus, who wants to fish in that heat? |
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | MuskyStalker - 7/21/2011 1:23 PM
It's more of an issue of dissolved oxygen than water temps.
I would agree, but they both tend to go hand in hand.
Let me ask this. Has anyone thought of what temps we should stop persuing other fish at prior to this thread? I doubt it. Hopefully I made some of you think about it. I am glad to see a few have thought about it.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | 'Let me ask this. Has anyone thought of what temps we should stop persuing other fish at prior to this thread? I doubt it. '
I don't. it's a rare deal up here where we have to worry about Muskies...since 1995 it hasn't been this hot this long...and when it IS this hot, I fish bass because I know that's not an issue. I'm sure not everyone shares my interest in Bass, but those who do and are serious about the sport know as much about Bass as we might about muskies.
That said, this is a great discussion and a welcome one considering the heat we've had.
Sled, leave those Bass alone...they eat Muskies, and Muskies eat all your Perch. 
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Location: minocqua, wi. | when did we all of a sudden have a water temp. smallie problem ... ?? |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | stop fishin' bass when you can't stand being out there for the heat (you that is). then, go to bps and get some gunnal-mounted black lights and fluorescent line and go texas and carolina riggin' at night. it's a blast ... you can see better than in the daytime and when your line swims off ... reel down and give 'em the mustard. smallies and largemouth alike ....
go to lake fork or sam rayburn on a nice texas day in june or july for lm bass, or to the pickwick dam for some hot summer smallies ... stop at the boatel and say hello to the old guy wearin' the Tennessee Vols hat. you ain't seen hot or hot water til you go bass fishin in the south. this heat wave is an everyday, every summer reality ... 11 years in that hell-hole called the south and precisely why i moved to the northwoods.
bass fish all summer long with reckless abandon boys and girls ... nothing to see here
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | jonnysled - 7/21/2011 1:45 PM
when did we all of a sudden have a water temp. smallie problem ... ??
Not sure as I can’t get any info on when it is a problem.
I guess if you never think about it, then it is never a problem. So if I don’t think about 80° being bad for muskies I guess it isn’t.
I see I am getting nowhere…and thus am bowing out of this well thought out and research backed discussion.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | When I get some time I'll post a bunch of information. The weigh in beckons... |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | CiscoKid - 7/21/2011 1:00 PM
DJ, I question the smallie deal as it is a big thing in northern WI.
i believe the quote came from your research laboratory Travis |
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | jonnysled - 7/21/2011 2:04 PM
CiscoKid - 7/21/2011 1:00 PM
DJ, I question the smallie deal as it is a big thing in northern WI.
i believe the quote came from your research laboratory Travis
The "big thing in northern WI" comment was directed at fishing for smallies up there, not referring to smallies croaking in warm water temps. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | CiscoKid - 7/21/2011 1:59 PM
…and thus am bowing out
yah |
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| Travis-
How many follows do you typically get from bass when the water temperature is this high? |
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Location: Columbus, Georgia | MuskieFever simply asked if guys were catching Bass. What's up with all of the point-counter-point about the morality of continuing to fish for Bass if one has chosen to give the Muskies a break?
Muskies are at the top of the food chain. Their number are the smallest out there. How many Lions are out on the African plains compared to Gazelle, Springbok, Zebras, etc.. It's the same deal. So if we are trying to preserve the lion population ... and a guy states that we should approach hunting Gazelles in the same manner ... this position is false and untenable. The ratio of Gazelles to Lions (maybe hundreds or even thousands-to-one).
Am I missing something?
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Location: Not where I wanna be! | jonnysled - 7/21/2011 1:50 PM
bass fish all summer long with reckless abandon boys and girls ... nothing to see here
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| All the bass tournament guys want you to believe that they never kill any bass...well, that is just as foolish as the muskie guy thinking he never kills any fish.
There has been some research done on LMB and SMB on the Mississippi (where a lot of tournaments take place). There, water temp wasn't the overlying factor. Largemouth bass virus (that SMB can have too) plus the high (80 degrees and up) water temps ment that 80+% of all the bass caught died within 48 hours! If your bass have LMB virus and you are catching, transporting and releasiong them...most will end up dead.
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Location: Not where I wanna be! | These two managed to survive after several hours in the box. Have been down there fishing many times since then and have not seen any floaters. Water was 85 that day... Just sayin
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | I tried to stay out but couldn't.
THA4 take a look at this link if you didn't the first time.
http://www.texs.com/bass_mortality_study/study.htm
Just sayin.
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Location: minocqua, wi. | cjrich - 7/21/2011 2:38 PM
MuskieFever simply asked if guys were catching Bass.
Am I missing something?
surprised you haven't seen all the bass transport tournaments they run all year in the northwoods ... travis feels compelled to teach us from his research.
how many of you put bass in your livewell all day, drive em around, take em out in a bag and weigh them ... then return em to 80degree water?? must be just you travis. you might want to change your release procedure and not pretend you're fishing a tournament in texas. |
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Location: Not where I wanna be! | I have an idea, maybe they should just shut fishing down from mid June until September.... :D 
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Location: northern indiana | I think it should be a federal law that fishing in all 50 states should be completly illegal. =) |
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | jonnysled - 7/21/2011 5:22 PM
cjrich - 7/21/2011 2:38 PM
MuskieFever simply asked if guys were catching Bass.
Am I missing something?
surprised you haven't seen all the bass transport tournaments they run all year in the northwoods ... travis feels compelled to teach us from his research.
how many of you put bass in your livewell all day, drive em around, take em out in a bag and weigh them ... then return em to 80degree water?? must be just you travis. you might want to change your release procedure and not pretend you're fishing a tournament in texas.
Apparently THA4 does, and thus why I reposted the link.
I clearly stated all I could find was based on tournaments. Perhaps you need a lesson in reading comprehension as well Sled. I see no one posting any kind of statistical data or other supporting, or against the fishing other species in warm water. Thus I am posing the questions. Reread my first post of this thread and please tell me where I have said we shouldn't be fishing for a particular species above a particular temp. I simply stated you can kill other species in hot temps. Didn't state we were there yet. Didn't state what species.
I believe I may have even posted a link, my second to last one, which may support fishing for bass in warmer temps.
I believe this whole thread started going south after your first post when you offered no info what so ever, but rather decided to taunt me.
I anxiously await Steve's info he can supply. If anything I will learn something here. If you don't want to then I suggest you go golfing as your responses do nothing constructive.
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| it's ok Travis, we're not laughing with you, we're laughing at you ...
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Location: Not far enough north! | Down here we have to shut down for muskies by the middle of June Every Year and Can't get back after them till the end of september. I would hate to hear the complaning if you guys had to put up with that. Would love to see the water around 80 here. Went out for white bass yesterday and water temp was 93 on an 11,000 acre lake that is 10' high so is probably closer to 15k now. This was out in the middle of the main body I imagine higher in the coves. This heat is killing me |
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| Travis, Im with you... nice to see someone out there with a little bit of a conservation mindset. Thanks for your data Travis. |
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Location: Not where I wanna be! | I fish about 20 tournaments a year, starting in April and ending in September. Sure, fish can die during that time frame, but deep hooked fish and fish staying in livewells that are not properly reciruclated are a far bigger issue than water temps being too hot.
It can be done..... here is one formula we follow:
http://www.thebgreat persons.com/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.33
Here's another good read:
http://www.bassresource.com/fish_biology/handling_summer_bass.html
Here is an interview with Gene Gilliland who basically wrote the book on warm water bass handling
http://upload.outdoorsfirst.com/watch.asp?id=2745
If you want more on Gene Gilliland, just google him. He is basically the most respected bass biologists in the industry right now.
More:
http://www.oklahomabassfishing.com/genegilliland801.html
There is a ton of other stuff out there too, but trust me handing/catching/releasing bass often throughout the summer can be done effectively with little to no delayed mortality. Muskies to Bass is apples to oranges, there is no comparison. Im not saying there is NO reason for concern on this issue, just not in the upper midwest. In Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Iowa, Illinois, Nebraska, the Dakotas, so on and so forth there is not going to be many, if any, summer conditions where fishing for bass is unsafe the the fishery or the resource.... 80-90 degree water is perfectly safe for bass.....
Keeping them in a livewell during temps like this can be done for up to 8 hours and with a successful release.... but not by ignoring them... |
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Location: Columbus, Georgia | bowhunter29 - 7/20/2011 2:10 PM
Killing the bass right now!
jeremy
I believe this first-responder was merely implying that he is catching a lot of bass right now, not literally killing them.
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Location: South-Central VA | Yep, that's exactly what I was implying. Please don't drag me into the middle of this mess by misinterpreting what I said.
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