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Location: Pelican Rapids, MN | Keep it 1 |
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Location: Richfield, MN | I have not done any research as to what will happen if they do change it to 2 lines but we go to South Dakota in March chasing Walleyes every March it just means from time to time we might get a couple doubles meaning we are done sooner and back at the Hillside Hotel in Chamberlain enjoying coctails at the office and then on to the bar in town before we cook up some fresh walleyes in our room for dinner.
To me no harm no foul. But again no leg work done on what the overall effects it has. I do kknow it can be alot of fun. Also at times we find ourselves only having 1 line in the water at a time anyways.
My guess is this bill will never pass unless someone pass Dayton a mickey or 2 before they sow him the bill. THen they might have to have Michelle Bachman sit on his lap to distract as they sneak the bill under his pen!!!!!!!! LOL
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | Guest - 3/6/2011 8:47 PM
As Muskie fisherman it may be a tendancy to limit the scope of this law to only how it affects Musky fishing. But there are a lot of other species that it affects as well--- Walleye, pan fish of all kinds, catfish, and so on. I'd have to think that the regulations are in place with the fishery as a whole considered??
Ok, But how will 2 lines negatively effect the fact that you can still only take so many fish in a given day?
If your only allowed to take 4 walleye or 1 muskie per day using 1 line, and the state changes it to 2 lines,...... What the heck changes ??
Just playing you guys .....again.
Jerome
Edited by Top H2O 3/6/2011 10:05 PM
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| T. Paw did not veto the entire bill. He used a "line item veto". The DNR opposed something like 8 items on the bill and the Gov vetoed only those 8 items. |
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Location: Duluth, MN | LETS........
limit the days days we can guide
limit the the days we can fish
do away with tournaments
ban live bait
ban single hooks
limit the length of your boat so we can't fish when it's to rough for a 14' foot to go out
limits limit hp
LETS educate people about the accurate amount of walleye a muskie does eat
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Location: Chicago | 2 lines will negatively affect our fishing in that. More people will want to troll, which in turn they will want to spread'em out. Then 6 line spreads start taking up a lot of real estate, and I become jerk whose hands are not to cold to still cast screwing up your trolling run. We don't need to another level to 'combat fishing". |
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| i've softened up to the 2 line idea the last couple years. it would be a good thing for the catfishermen in MN who have been lobbying for it the last few years and would be nice to use two lines myself in the fall when trolling or be able to cast while i drag a sucker. i think it might raise mortality slightly and would probably lead to more tackle and line on the bottom of our lakes. i'm not fighting for it or opposing it, the cass lake issues are much more important in my book.
and for the guys that keep saying this has a very small chance of passing.....wrong. get involved and talk to your representatives - the emails i've received back from mine indicate fairly widespread support for lifting the spearing ban on cass lake and i'm sure there is even more support for the two line bill. |
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| if you can only take so many givin fish in a day in other words if we feel the bag limit is the ultimate management tool then you can make the argument why not let them drag commercial nets instead of fishing rods, after all so what you can still only keep a limit.
two lines WILL impact if Im allowed two lines on Mile Lacs Im gonna cast a muskie lure and drag a slip bobber with a leech and if I get a walleye in the slot hes getting kept,,how many people are going to do it the other way and throw out a sucker while they fish walleyes because you definitly see that logic in ice fishing one walleye jigging rod and a tip up with a big sucker
if you look at EVERYTHING the DNR has stated it all comes back to this is a TROPHY MANAGED fisherie it wasnt intended for numbers or action but quality when you do have success |
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | Quick strike rigs don't kill anymore fish then a bucktail...if used correctly. I've actually had people tell me how they "let her take it" after they were down to their last sucker.
The big problem with 2-line is that our limits are set with the DNR's idea that about 6% of trips would result in obtaining it (if memory serves). By adding an additional line that number goes up so the bag will have to go down. People in this state don't want to see their walleye bag go from 6-4 (or less). There would also be a larger issue of delayed mortality on all fish species which would probably drive the limit lower.
The big thing that gets me is this: is fishing that bad were we need to add another line? Seriously, how is having 2 lines going to make the fishery better? If the fishery isn't going to get better then the fishing probably won't either. I for one wouldn't want to risk what we have for the chance to catch a few more fish...in the short term anyway.
Speaking as one who has talked to the players on this one, don't go out investing in your extra quickstrike rigs or trolling setups yet. Just saying.
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | Now that's the 2nd reply that makes sense to me..... I guess I need to look at the bigger picture for a longer period of time.
But it sure would be nice to use 2 lines up north for the last week of the season, especially when there are only 2-3 other boats left out there.
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | Shawn, Et Al,
This is why if something like this IS to be considered in the coming years, we should be doing something for an impact study to see just what might take place. I'm good either way, but would much rather see that if two lines were to become law, the decision was made as an "informed" decision and not some knee-jerk reaction due to pressure from outside agencies (in this case...the people of the state)
Pro's and Con's on both sides, and much more to the entire situation than any of us realize.... Fun to think about and debate, though... 
Steve
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Location: Maple Grove, MN | I think two lines would cause way more dead Muskies because people would then have to reel in their line before setting the hook and by that time the Muskie could swallow the sucker. Not good.
I don't use live bait and never will. I caught the fish by my login with a large plastic bait just a couple of days before iceup. Don't see the point in messing with live bait.... |
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | Steve, the DNR has done creel studies on border waters and they've found that there's an increase in harvest of around 30%. They've passed this information along and most legislators have listened (hence no Senate version of the bill). In the past there was one House member that kept bringing this one up. He's since been "fired" and Rep Hackbarth took-up the torch for him thinking this would be a slam dunk. It hasn't to put it mildly and there hasn't been a single legislator I've talked to that is for it at least without reducing bag limits. Once the walleye bag goes from 6 to 4 most of the support for the bill goes away from everything I've been hearing. |
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| Herb_b - 3/7/2011 12:31 PM
I think two lines would cause way more dead Muskies because people would then have to reel in their line before setting the hook and by that time the Muskie could swallow the sucker. Not good.
I don't use live bait and never will.
It doesn't happen that fast, Herb. |
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | Shawn,
That's enough for me to be comfortable with staying to 1 line... Show the info that proves it negatively affects the body of water, and the decision should be quite easy.
Thanks Shawn for all that you do!!
Steve
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Location: Minnesota | I like giving people the option of paying a fee on their license for an additional line if they so choose. As long as the limit remains the same, I don't see an issue with it.
I'm not coordinated enough to operate two lines unless they're both sitting in rod holders so it doesn't bother me one way or the other. |
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Location: Brainerd, MN 56401 | In Minnesota we fish the way God intended.......one man, one rod. |
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Location: WI | I would love to drag a sucker in the fall and frequently beg the wife to join me so that I can. That being said, I can't think of 1 positive thing this does for the fisheries and do feel it would it would have a negative impact in the long run. If it is done though, having to pay additional on the license seems like a dumb idea. We don't have enough CO's to enforce it and people are going to b@#^# about them invading when there stopping to check if you have it.
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| Quick-strike rigs can easily kill fish too even when used the right way. A hungry muskie can slurp up a pretty good sucker in no time if it wants too. The biggest fish in the system are more prone to swallowing a sucker since their mouths/throats are so much larger, quick-strike rig or not. This is where I feel we will lose some quality in the future of our muskie fisheries in MN. While quick-strike rigs are better than single hooks, lets not kid ourselves thinking quick-strike rigs are perfect. I see sucker fishing as being a big threat to the quality of muskie fishing on certain bodies of water in MN. More guys are doing it every year and it is attracting a whole new crowd of fishermen who do not normally fish for muskies. It seems many guys are waiting a long time before they set the hook also...I saw a guide wait easily over 10 minutes before setting. I am strongly against the usage of 2 lines in MN. Not because I don't want to catch more fish, but because I think it would have a negative impact on our limited number of muskie lakes in MN. Give me 2 lines and I guarantee you I catch a lot more fish. Just my opinion...attack away.:)
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Location: Maple Grove, MN | Guest,
I've seen Muskies swallow big plastics before one could set the hook. What makes suckers any different? Sometimes it is hard enough to set the hook with your rod in your hand. Now you're going to add ten, fifteen seconds to reel in the lure you're casting? And what if you hook a fish with the lure? Then what?
To me, two lines sounds like a disaster waiting to happen - especially when fishing by yourself. I use one line even when on waters where two are allowed. Running the increased risk of seriously injuring a Muskie just isn't worth it to me.
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Location: Iowa Great Lakes | Heres something thats happened to me, wife and I are trolling eyes one fall total of 4 lines . We were sharing the run of about 2 miles with 3 other boats consisting of 8 guys also trolling with 16 lines in the water. We met them at the end of the day at the dock total eyes in there 3 boats was 4, we had 5, more lines dont always mean more fish.... I have also caught my limit of eyes sharing the spot with 5 other guys all of us using similar baits and all casting to the same spots, none of the 5 got so much as a bite while I caught 5 and kept my limit of 3 in about 40 minutes.... You average weekend angler won't catch much more using 2-5 rods than 1, some days 2 allows me to get my limit faster but theres other days 20 lines wouldn't help me catch anything..... Take it how you want and I understand most guys think of Iowa as worthless and if you do keep thinking that way while I keep catching fish... |
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| shaley - 3/7/2011 6:32 PM
Heres something thats happened to me, wife and I are trolling eyes one fall total of 4 lines . We were sharing the run of about 2 miles with 3 other boats consisting of 8 guys also trolling with 16 lines in the water. We met them at the end of the day at the dock total eyes in there 3 boats was 4, we had 5, more lines dont always mean more fish.... I have also caught my limit of eyes sharing the spot with 5 other guys all of us using similar baits and all casting to the same spots, none of the 5 got so much as a bite while I caught 5 and kept my limit of 3 in about 40 minutes.... You average weekend angler won't catch much more using 2-5 rods than 1, some days 2 allows me to get my limit faster but theres other days 20 lines wouldn't help me catch anything..... Take it how you want and I understand most guys think of Iowa as worthless and if you do keep thinking that way while I keep catching fish...
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| you're still referring to a bait that's in the fishes mouth, Herb, not swallowed. swallowed means it's already down in the gut. smallies scarf stuff down like that, muskies don't. it's impossible to swallow something with treble hooks on it, therefore all the concern about muskies swallowing more suckers with 2 lines is based on a single hook rig. single hook anglers are going to allow a fish to swallow the bait anyway.
i am generally in the front runnign the boat, even when i'm sucker fishing out the back with one line. i've never had a problem getting the rod from the back of the boat before a fish was hooked deeply. i'm as big of a 'release zealot' as any but i think a lot of negative reaction to the two line proposal is knee-jerk. i'll also fish flatheads in the summer if water temps get too warm and there is no reason cat guys shouldn't be able to use an extra line. this is a good proposal if it comes with a reduction in bag limits as stated. i don't see how that wouldn't offset any increase in harvest.
not trying to nullify your opinion but we need to have our terms straight if we're going to discuss. i've never seen a 5/0 sucker hook do anywhere near the damage a 8/0 bucktail or pounder hook can do to the throat. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | 'In Minnesota we fish the way God intended.......one man, one rod.'
I do believe our maker intended us to use large nets. Seems like it, from what I have read. I don't think current population ever occurred to the deity. if it had, he'd have said, 'Go forth and play baseball'. |
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Location: Iowa Great Lakes | firstsixfeet - 3/7/2011 6:42 PM
You spelled Iowans wrong Shaley... ;)
Minnesotan born and bred, just stranded in Iowegia.....
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Location: Medford, WI | As a fisherman in Wisconsin, I've used multiple lines for the past 6 years, whether I'm by myself or with others. Mostly it has been in the fall, and I have never killed a musky on a quickstrike rig. I'm not saying that they couldn't inhale a sucker...just that I have never seen it in probably well over 50 sucker strikes.
I don't think you can make the "not getting to the sucker rod fast enough" argument on this one...sure, you can't wait minutes (and should quickly reel in your bait and tend to sucker rod) but I think those that fish with livebait would strongly agree with me.
I love being able to have multiple lines; however, I'm sure that is because I'm from Wisconsin and that's how I'm used to things.
As far as an opinion of adding a line/angler, I guess I wouldn't favor or oppose it. The only way I'd oppose it is for those anglers who kill fish with single-hooks; as they'd only be able to have one line out at least.
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| shaley - 3/7/2011 7:29 PM
firstsixfeet - 3/7/2011 6:42 PM
You spelled Iowans wrong Shaley... ;)
Minnesotan born and bred, just stranded in Iowegia.....
Shirker!
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Location: Alexandria, MN | lhprop1 - 3/7/2011 3:34 PM
I like giving people the option of paying a fee on their license for an additional line if they so choose. As long as the limit remains the same, I don't see an issue with it.
-I agree with this so long as the funds generated by the additional fees go DIRECTLY to fisheries. |
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Location: Brainerd, MN 56401 | sworrall - 3/7/2011 6:51 PM
'In Minnesota we fish the way God intended.......one man, one rod.'
I do believe our maker intended us to use large nets. Seems like it, from what I have read. I don't think current population ever occurred to the deity. if it had, he'd have said, 'Go forth and play baseball'.
What I meant by my post was if the good Lord wanted us to fish with two rods he would have given us four arms. If he did consider the current population here in Minnesota he'd have said, 'Go forth and play HOCKEY'! |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Nah. Watch the walleye guys. Two rods, one in each hand, see it all the time. Hockey? We'd be horribly overpopulated in the south, and everyone would behave badly. Not good. |
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