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Location: Racine, Wi | Another vote for the palomar.
Although, I did get good at the bimini twists for my fly line connections.  |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Trilene knot |
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | sworrall - 5/12/2010 10:16 PM
Trilene knot
found in my personal tests to be as strong as the palomar knot, but 100x more consistent. If the palomar is not cinched just right, it is much weaker. Anglers can pay much less attention when tying the trilene knot vs. the palomar. |
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Location: WI | Standard Uni-knot. Has never failed on me with fish up to 50" in the net. Started using it in the mid 90's. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | i've used one knot forever on basically everyting, from muskies to 1 lb ice fishing fluoro...not sure which one it is as I looked at the above online..put line thru eye, spin it 6 x or so back thru loop and back thru the other loop...whatever that one is? check that. I think it's the improved clinch
haven't had any trouble with it in 20 yrs...hasn't failed me yet....
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| RyanJoz - 5/12/2010 10:25 PM
sworrall - 5/12/2010 10:16 PM
Trilene knot
found in my personal tests to be as strong as the palomar knot, but 100x more consistent. If the palomar is not cinched just right, it is much weaker. Anglers can pay much less attention when tying the trilene knot vs. the palomar.
100x more consistent? - Palomar is soo easy to tie right - I literally can do it with my eyes closed - helpful at night.
Palomar is what you want for braid! - granted 80-90% strength (like an improved clinch or trilene knot) of 80 Lbs test you will not probably ever notice an issue but the Palomar IS stronger with braid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91aqhBQFLPk&feature=related
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | IAJustin - 5/13/2010 10:08 AM
100x more consistent? - Palomar is soo easy to tie right - I literally can do it with my eyes closed - helpful at night.
Palomar is what you want for braid! - granted 80-90% strength (like an improved clinch or trilene knot ) of 80 Lbs test you will not probably ever notice an issue but the Palomar IS stronger with braid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91aqhBQFLPk&feature=related
if the loop going around the entire bait/leader isnt just right, it is the weakest link. Test it if you want but i won a knot tying contest at U of I engineering Open House with the trilene knot WITH BRAIDED LINE. Tied it right next to the palomar. Palomar just got beat. Test it with 4 lb braid and some large key chains (so you can pull on it) and you will understand. |
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | BNelson - 5/13/2010 10:05 AM
i've used one knot forever on basially everyting..not sure which one it is as I looked at the above online..put line thru eye, spin it 6 x or so back thru loop and back thru the other loop...whatever that one is? check that. I think it's the improved clinch
haven't had any trouble with it in 20 yrs
I’m with Brad…Don’t know the name of the knot but I do the same as Brad with one change. I double loop around the eye. So I think I am doing an improved clinch and a Trilene?
I found this knot works very well for everything, and for those that ice fish with very light line this knot holds up the best for me. I also prefer this knot over say a Palomar as my actual knot size is a lot smaller. At least with the Palomar knots I have seen others tie.
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | The Fish N fool Knot was the winner at the end of the year. Beat the Palomar knot.
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| Palomar won in 2008 - Yes Fish-n-fool won 2009 - Palomar was runner-up . - and they had to run the test three times - it was 1-1 going into the third pull - there is no denying the Palomar is one of the strongest knots in the world and the Palomar is definitely easier to tie - IMO
here is a video from the "inventor" on how to tie a fish-n-fool - you may want to skip the first few minutes, the dude is trying to sell his rubber-worm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA2XKUF11_8
Palomar will always test 95-100% strength with braid .. been using Palomar on braid since 95' - always used improved clinch before 95' but it would often slip with 2lb diameter Spiderwire (the original stuff was very "slick")
Like many things with fishing there are options and not necessarily a right or wrong answer - As muskie fisherman we are way "over gunned" for these fish anyway (so we can throw huge lures). Knots are important but if it works for you use what you have confidence in - for me the Palomar is the best combo of simplicity and strength.
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| RyanJoz - 5/13/2010 11:41 AM
IAJustin - 5/13/2010 10:08 AM
100x more consistent? - Palomar is soo easy to tie right - I literally can do it with my eyes closed - helpful at night.
Palomar is what you want for braid! - granted 80-90% strength (like an improved clinch or trilene knot ) of 80 Lbs test you will not probably ever notice an issue but the Palomar IS stronger with braid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91aqhBQFLPk&feature=related
if the loop going around the entire bait/leader isnt just right, it is the weakest link. Test it if you want but i won a knot tying contest at U of I engineering Open House with the trilene knot WITH BRAIDED LINE. Tied it right next to the palomar. Palomar just got beat. Test it with 4 lb braid and some large key chains (so you can pull on it ) and you will understand.
I have no idea what you are talking about- how do you bring the loop around the bait wrong? Trilene gets its butt kicked in the braid category of knot wars two years in a row and you are saying its stronger? Not likely. But 90% aint bad so keep using it - to each there own.
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | The PALOMAR needs to look like this, before you pull it tight. I have used a Palomar knot for 20 yrs, never had one fail. I do like the FISH N FOOL knot and will give it a try this summer.
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | IAJustin - 5/13/2010 1:33 PM
I have no idea what you are talking about- how do you bring the loop around the bait wrong? Trilene gets its butt kicked in the braid category of knot wars two years in a row and you are saying its stronger? Not likely. But 90% aint bad so keep using it - to each there own.
pull the tag end with your muskie pliers with the trilene knot and the story changes completely.....Palomar gets spanked almost every time.
When you shear brand new 200 lb stay lok snaps with 100 lb braid from a snag call me. It happens more often than it should. Trilene knot is definitely not the weak link!
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| RyanJoz - 5/13/2010 2:21 PM
IAJustin - 5/13/2010 1:33 PM
I have no idea what you are talking about- how do you bring the loop around the bait wrong? Trilene gets its butt kicked in the braid category of knot wars two years in a row and you are saying its stronger? Not likely. But 90% aint bad so keep using it - to each there own.
pull the tag end with your muskie pliers with the trilene knot and the story changes completely.....Palomar gets spanked almost every time.
When you shear brand new 200 lb stay lok snaps with 100 lb braid from a snag call me. It happens more often than it should. Trilene knot is definitely not the weak link!
What??? pull the tag end line as hard as you can to see if the knot is strong????? Ya that is what a fish would do - Your knot may be strong enough for you but not as strong as a Palomar with braid - sorry its a FACT - get over it.
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Location: Bloomington, IL | Bucher Power Knot.
Don't know if this one has ever been tested on Knot Wars, but it should be. Best knot there is IMO. |
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | IAJustin - 5/13/2010 3:05 PM
RyanJoz - 5/13/2010 2:21 PM
IAJustin - 5/13/2010 1:33 PM
I have no idea what you are talking about- how do you bring the loop around the bait wrong? Trilene gets its butt kicked in the braid category of knot wars two years in a row and you are saying its stronger? Not likely. But 90% aint bad so keep using it - to each there own.
pull the tag end with your muskie pliers with the trilene knot and the story changes completely.....Palomar gets spanked almost every time.
When you shear brand new 200 lb stay lok snaps with 100 lb braid from a snag call me. It happens more often than it should. Trilene knot is definitely not the weak link!
What??? pull the tag end line as hard as you can to see if the knot is strong????? Ya that is what a fish would do - Your knot may be strong enough for you but not as strong as a Palomar with braid - sorry its a FACT - get over it.
WOW! Even a 2 year old knows that knots are not tested by pulling on the tag end! It is to cinch the knot TIGHTER. I guess you really can't teach an old dog new tricks.
The reason the trilene knot loses is because it is harder to cinch by hand. If you pull on the tag and the main line to make it tighter to start with, it beats the palomar hands down.
definition of Fact for IAJUSTIN: Event, item of information, or state of affairs existing, observed, or known to have happened, and which is confirmed or validated to such an extent that it is considered 'reality.'
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| at 80 lbs to 100 lbs i have to say,tie the easiest one.
you will never lost a fish with all the kind if knots mentioned in that post.
for me palomar is the easiest knots to remember and to tie,even when there is no light.
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| And over tightening a tag end is not good so your post made no sense....so what are you testing? Knot wars Palomar beats Trilene (twice) ... recent Field & Stream Palomar beats Trilene. Ryan find me an independent test where the trilene beats the Palomar - The Trilene is a good knot and great for mono (what it was designed for) - its not that big of deal. Like I said already use what you want.
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | Nupe - 5/13/2010 3:10 PM
Bucher Power Knot.
Don't know if this one has ever been tested on Knot Wars, but it should be. Best knot there is IMO.
I'm a life menber of NAF so I will send in the Bucher Power Knot for 2011. The Bucher Power knot looks like it will be a winner. Edited by PIKEMASTER 5/13/2010 5:01 PM
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| BNelson - 5/13/2010 10:05 AM
i've used one knot forever on basically everyting, from muskies to 1 lb ice fishing fluoro...not sure which one it is as I looked at the above online..put line thru eye, spin it 6 x or so back thru loop and back thru the other loop...whatever that one is? check that. I think it's the improved clinch
haven't had any trouble with it in 20 yrs...hasn't failed me yet....
I use that exact same knot for everything too. I actually started using it about 13-14 years ago and never tied a different knot since. It was weird one day I was messing around w/ tieing different knots and I came up with that one. Nobody ever showed me how to tie it and never knew it had a name for the knot. It has worked well for me. Like with any knot, check it every once in a while, especially after you catch some fish.
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Location: WI | PIKEMASTER - 5/13/2010 11:56 AM
The Fish N fool Knot was the winner at the end of the year. Beat the Palomar knot.
Looks like a uni-know that was doubled around the swivel loop. |
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Location: Hayward, WI | I guess I have been using the Fish N Fool Knot for my 80 pound braids. Didn't know that was what it was called, but it looks like the one Pikemaster posted. I tie the same knot BN does for all my other mono and fluoro knots. Never tried it with the heavier braids, but I would imagine that would work too.
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Location: MN | The Fish-n-Fool knot was known as the super-uni knot before the guy selling the rubber worms "invented" it. Would be interesting to see how the Bucher knot fares in Knot Wars. Hope you are able to submit it. |
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