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Location: Musky Tackle Online, MN | This topic isn't going to go away quietly.
http://www.casslaketimes.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=arti...
There's also a poll on their main page as to whether you would like to see the spearing ban lifted or not.
http://www.casslaketimes.com/
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| ...or contact Steve Ballou at Break on the Lake Resort...
Interesting. That resort has gotten a LOT of business from muskie fishermen over the years, including major tournaments and large group outings.
If muskie fishermen chose to go elsewhere, it seems to me that BOTL would actually suffer from this lost business much more than anything they'd gain from spearing being opened up on Cass. Spearing is much more local than muskie fishing.
Perhaps Mr. Ballou should hear from everyone about this? It would be particularly meaningful if it was from people who have actually stayed at that resort.
(218) 335-2422
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| I recommend giving him a call. The owner of Break on the Lake has received alot of business from musky fishermen and the blowback from this could be damaging to his business.
There is an an upcoming meeting scheduled for Feb. 23 at 7 p.m. at the Cass Lake American Legion. I will be there along with others from our Muskie Inc. chapter. If there is anyone that is willing to come up and give there support please call me at (507) 456-9023. I can arrange a place to stay. This will be a very important meeting to attend.
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Location: Minn. | According to their poll right now. It is 60% for lifting the ban 40% for keeping it. I voted, hope others will as well. Here is a link to where you can vote.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I just voted. if everyone who reads this thread would vote, it'd be no by a wide margin. The poll is on the right side of the page; please look for it and vote one way or the other. |
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | Voted, and maybe can make the meeting since I'm working a couple of hrs East of Cass..
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Location: deephaven mn | Just voted, margin is not so wide |
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| Looks like they changed the poll question... now its "Should spearing be open for everyone on Cass Lake?" Very loaded question in that it implies that spearing is already open and that there is a class being discriminated! Shame on the Cass Lake Times.
The last time I looked at the poll the gap had substantially closed between those for and against spearing on Cass lake (like 2 votes). I guess the Cass Lake Times did not like the results.
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Location: Watertown, MN | Spearing is open on Cass to Native Americans is my guess, I know they net the lake. I seen the article about $617,000 spent by legislature to build a dock in memory of a politician. Let the DNR do there work and keep the politicians out of the environment, I was hoping this issue would have gone away.
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Location: Musky Tackle Online, MN | They actually started a new poll with that one. It definitely looks like the paper is anything but unbiased by essentially asking the same question, just worded differently. But the good thing is that this one should be even more overwhelming against it, as it takes away all of the yes votes that were there. It's currently 14 to 1 in favor of the No votes. Keep the votes coming. And vote again if you previously voted, as it's now a new poll.
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Location: Musky Tackle Online, MN | I just sent the Times an email asking if they changed the poll question because of the way the results were going and I got an almost immediate response. This is what they said....
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NO- somehow the poll was modified online my yes and no were swapped and
the original posting date was set at Nov. 1999. long long b4 the Times
website existed. So I was told by our site manager to post a new poll
to see if there is a bug in the system. Since those two were somehow
swapped over the weekend I just now changed it. The previous poll would
have been 55 yes 45 no 1 no opinion. But thanks for voting and
noticing.
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| this is a meaningless straw poll you guys should understand, the value comes in calling and e-mailing your own reps as well as the reps mentioned in the article. this is going to be slipped in on the game bill by one of these crack pot legislators, the Dnr will have nothing to do with it. its going to be part of lets make a deal in the wee hrs. |
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Location: Musky Tackle Online, MN | Yet another follow up. I think the Cass Lake Times simply is in shock that there could be a large number of people against this. They think there's a bug in their system. I thanked them for their previous response and they immediately replied back with this.
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Aaron-
This latest poll is not going to be on long. I talked to the site
manager again because everything is messed up already in under an hour.
So any votes on this latest poll will be trashed after the problem is
figured out.
thanks again for voting,
Allan Olson
Cass Lake Times
Advertising Manager/Reporter
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I tried to ease his mind that there is nothing wrong with this poll in hopes that he keeps it up there. My response.
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I don't think there's anything wrong or messed up. This has just been
a hot topic around the state and people have been made aware of the
poll. So there's a lot of people checking it out and voting. I
wouldn't be concerned, as I really doubt there is a problem with your
system.
Thanks,
Aaron
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Location: Musky Tackle Online, MN | the fish - 2/8/2010 12:32 PM
this is a meaningless straw poll you guys should understand, the value comes in calling and e-mailing your own reps as well as the reps mentioned in the article. this is going to be slipped in on the game bill by one of these crack pot legislators, the Dnr will have nothing to do with it. its going to be part of lets make a deal in the wee hrs.
I agree on all accounts. But it doesn't hurt to let folks know where popular opinion might be with a poll, even if it's relatively insignificant when it comes to the big picture.
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Location: Minn. | Meaningless straw polls can be used to show or twisted in a way to be used for ones political views. Thus the reason for changing the poll question. |
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| If we just ignored this poll they would most definately waive it in the faces of those in opposition to lifting the spearing ban by saying "look we did a poll and the large majority of people wanted the ban lifted." Even if it is a meaningless straw poll we can let them know that we do not want this and more importantly take away the opportunity for them to use the poll as a basis for support of lifting the spearing ban.
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| If you want to help out in some way you can call me at (507) 456-9023.
This is a meeting that will need a strong number of people opposed to the ban being lifted to attend. |
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Location: Minnesota | Everyone should make sure that they contact their Representatives and Senators about this if they feel strongly about it. When the dealing is done in the middle of the night, the only people who can do anything about it are our elected members. If they don't know anything about it, they might not care. If you send a few emails or make a few phone calls, they will think about that when they are passing legislation. Most constituents never contact their Representative or Senator and they really don't know how people stand on certain issues so make sure that this isn't one of the issues they know nothing about.
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | This just in, the MDAA is going to try to get the legistature to remove ALL spearing bans in this session. Once we get the complete story we'll get the info out to you all to help us kill this thing. Rep Dill is one of the ones that will be pushing it is all I know right now. |
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| Hope your not busy for about 3 months Shawn... |
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| Those in favor of spearing jumped from about 9 votes this morning to 93 votes now and have substantially closed the gap. You can vote once a day. http://www.casslaketimes.com/index.php?option=com_poll&id=25:should... |
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Location: Musky Tackle Online, MN | Actually, the Yes votes now have 56% of the vote. The spearers were obviously alerted of this and are making a stronger push than those against it. Keep voting. The poll allows you to vote each day.
http://www.casslaketimes.com/
A Yes vote is also a vote for back dooring the DNR and asking our legislature to manage our waters instead of people that are paid and trained to do this. Next thing you know, groups will be having the legislature stop stocking muskies.
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | AWH - 2/9/2010 9:37 AM
Next thing you know, groups will be having the legislature stop stocking muskies.
Aaron
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Location: Bemidji, MN | This issue is not dead. I was informed yesterday that there will be another meeting in cass lake at the end of the month. I am not sure of the details yet, but I am sure someone will chime in and give some. The big fear here is that a group will bypass the DNR all together and get a rider put on a totally unrelated bill and get this thing passed.
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Location: Bemidji, MN | kustomboy - 2/9/2010 11:18 AM
Those in favor of spearing jumped from about 9 votes this morning to 93 votes now and have substantially closed the gap. You can vote once a day. http://www.casslaketimes.com/index.php?option=com_poll&id=25:should...
This pole is ridiculous, and we should all let the cass lake times know it. you can vote once on every IP you have access to, every day. that means once at work, once at home, once at school...... every day!
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Location: Minn. | 1670 views on this topic but only 104 have voted No. How about some help for a GREAT fishery! |
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Location: Musky Tackle Online, MN | J Nail - 2/9/2010 12:17 PM
I was informed yesterday that there will be another meeting in cass lake at the end of the month. I am not sure of the details yet, but I am sure someone will chime in and give some.
February 23rd, 7:00 pm, at the American Legion in Cass Lake. It would send a strong message if everyone that can make it is there. It's becoming even more than just a spearing issue with their willingness to go straight to the legislature without caring what the DNR says on the matter.
You can also send this newly formed CLIFS organization an email at [email protected] to explain to them how this will hurt area businesses rather than help them as they think will happen.
Aaron
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Location: Minnesota | The meeting on the 23rd is a meeting of CLIFS - Cass Lake Initiative For Spearing. It doesn't appear to be a chamber of commerce meeting or anything like that so it might be entertaining to go but I am not sure what would be accomplished other then find out who is pushing this and talk to them in person.
Check out clifs.org if you are interested to see what they have going so far. The website is in development and there isn't much on there but I am sure mre will be added soon. |
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| Just voted again and it says that 6450 people are in favor of it and 111 oppose it! Obviously something is a little screwy! The most important thing that any of us can do is show up at the meeting in a very large number and get this thing stopped. Showing up in great numbers is much more effective than some bogus poll that is obviously being cheated with those types of numbers. Mike Hope to see yah all there. |
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | That poll is A bunch of Bull......!! This mourning the yes voters was 9 people, .....What an utterly ,srcewed up mess.
Politcs at its finest
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