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| The fact that there is so much stress placed on the fish by: ramming sharp hooks through its face, fighting it, netting it, and ripping the hooks out with pliers is the reason why I don't want to use a bump board and would rather measure them in the water. They already have enough stress placed on them through the above process so I don't think I need to take them out of the water and hold them down onto a piece of wood and risk having them trash around and hit their head and injure them selves. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | name one other group of sportsmen who get as strung out about what others do and then label it right or wrong like musky fishermen. holy cow ...
honest question ... anybody who participates in other sports find the same level of attitude that you do with musky fishermen. i swear it's an art unto it's own.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I have never have had one injure itself yet on a bumpboard 'trashing around'. I have killed a couple with the hooks for sure. I've also killed a few intentionally, but that was a very long time ago on a different planet, it seems some days.
The board I use (Muskiebumper, a nice board by the way) isn't wood, it's s slick, smooth surface I wet first before placing the fish on it for measure. There IS a point at which the entire Muskie fishing CPR process becomes reaches the sublime IMO.
Sled, none that I know of. Golfers would be, but carrying around dangerous metal sharp edged clubs probably tones the entire thing down. Ask Hopeful. |
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| YIPES! This is a tough crowd! Heaven forbid we get onto a subject that is really controversial and important. I don't think it is the end of the world if you wish to take a quick bump or not. I am putting my money down and praying to have a chance to do several this weekend (God Willing) up in Eagle River. It's just my personal preference to skip that step when just out for the pure fun of fishing. If I were a guide or some kind of a pro and keeping accurate track of these things made a diffeerence to my living--I'd look at it differently. The block for me comes with the suspicion that laying a big fish down flat may, in fact, be more of a disturbance to the spine of a big fish than all the other stuff mentioned above. Don't know that for sure, but am concerned. Where's that fish biology guy, Dr. Tom Betka when you need him???? Marty Forman |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | According to several fisheries biologists I have spoken to, properly using a bumpboard is just fine. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | sworrall - 6/23/2009 2:39 PM
Sled, none that I know of. Golfers would be, but carrying around dangerous metal sharp edged clubs probably tones the entire thing down. Ask Hopeful.
fancy clubs don't cover up a bad swing and a good swing and game cannot be faked ... is pretty obvious in golf, you either have what it takes to shoot off at the mouth or you do not. most who do come home to mama with less money than they left the house with that morning. shooting par (equivalent to catching a 50") is earned through hours and hours of practice and often-times never achieved by even some very good players. i do agree though steve on the "country-club" mentality that can exist in the sport and it's a good corellation.
oh, and just when you think there's a "right" way to do it .... you look at a guy like lee trevino or jim furyk's swing and scratch your head wondering ... wtf (whitetails first) ...
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| In my experience, duck hunters make us musky fisherman look like choirboys..... |
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| I,m with guest and Oneida esox on this one...Onless its a PB why bother..Let it go ASAP.. |
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Location: The desert | How do you guys think biologists get their info on muskies? Hard to get length or weight data on them without measuring them. When they put in PIT tags or radio transmitters for studies they actually......hold your breath here....cut into them and insert the tag/transmitter in the body cavity. My guess is landing one and taking a quick measurement is the least of our fishing worries. |
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DNR don't tire fish out by playing them with a rod and reel before they work on them.
Muskies are usually "put to sleep" before any extensive work is done with pith tags, transmitters or other time consuming tasks.
Your comparison to stress levels with DNR vs. angling is not accurate.
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Location: Brookfield, WI | jonnysled - 6/23/2009 3:26 PM
sworrall - 6/23/2009 2:39 PM
Sled, none that I know of. Golfers would be, but carrying around dangerous metal sharp edged clubs probably tones the entire thing down. Ask Hopeful.
fancy clubs don't cover up a bad swing and a good swing and game cannot be faked ... is pretty obvious in golf, you either have what it takes to shoot off at the mouth or you do not. most who do come home to mama with less money than they left the house with that morning. shooting par (equivalent to catching a 50" ) is earned through hours and hours of practice and often-times never achieved by even some very good players. i do agree though steve on the "country-club" mentality that can exist in the sport and it's a good corellation.
oh, and just when you think there's a "right" way to do it .... you look at a guy like lee trevino or jim furyk's swing and scratch your head wondering ... wtf (whitetails first ) ...
My computer alerts me when golf is mentioned on this website.
Golfers argue on Internet forums just like fishermen. They just don't have that shiny toothy fish and how it should be treated to lord over each other. Sled's right about one thing, once you get on the course with someone you've interacted with in a forum, you know whether they are full of bs or not pretty quickly. You can generally tell before you even leave the range. Unlike fishermen that can always say the fish weren't biting today, a slew of double and triple bogeys from a guy who's been saying how long and straight he hits it, or how many birdies he makes pretty much says it all. You can't say, "I'm really a much better golfer, but the fish just weren't biting today." I'm an above average player with a couple of those 50" par fish Sled was talking about under my belt, but I keep my mouth shut. I see how many better players than I are out there, and I don't want to walk into that buzz saw.
Internet golfers argue about everything; etiquette, proper dress, slow play, equipment, green fees, public vs private. You name it, they argue about it. And they spend money on equipment like crazy people, constantly trying to buy a better game, just like fishermen. I'm sometimes guilty of it myself.
Like fishermen, most would be better served by practicing or perfecting their technique than worrying about whether their driver has a high launch shaft and a low spin head that perfectly matches their swing speed and plane.
Bump board, floating stick, measure, don't measure? Who gives a rat's crapper. Good release technique I would think makes all that moot.
Kevin
"How do you measure yourself against other fishermen?"
"By height." |
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Location: WI | I can't wait until we get more 80 degree water temps.....then this board will get even better 
If you bump enough fish, it is a smooth transistion.....and with a partner, it is even better:
"You ready?" "okay here we go."
Lift fish out of the net straight to the wet bump board-you hold the head, partner measures the tail-get measurement.
Hold for a picture or two...back in the water.
It really should take less than 30 seconds.
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Location: The desert | Guest - 6/23/2009 8:27 PM
DNR don't tire fish out by playing them with a rod and reel before they work on them.
Muskies are usually "put to sleep" before any extensive work is done with pith tags, transmitters or other time consuming tasks.
Your comparison to stress levels with DNR vs. angling is not accurate.
You're right, they voluntarily offer themselves up because they enjoy that experience so much. Fact of the matter is, measuring a musky isn't going to kill it. |
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Location: WI | I think unhooking and "picture mortality" is more of an issue. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | What Gotone said.
Hopeful/Sled,
Some day I need to learn how to golf. I've been told I should be good at it, something about hand to eye coordination. I cannot, however, see worth a crap anymore, and I AM left handed. I CAN read the lay of the land really well, comes from working as a Landscape construction guy when I was young. Low spots and high spots and swails literally leap out at me. My lawn, however is at Sue's mercy, and looks sorta like a moonscape as far as the level of the situation goes. Maybe I'll stick to marveling that anyone even tries to be really good at such a complicated, demanding, and nerve wracking sport.
Putting for Muskies. Sorta like Dialing for Dollars, just different.
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IMHO¨fisherman¨who dont like 1 inch less or 1 inch more, need to revise her fishing philosophy vs money
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| My dad had the golf analogy slightly different, He said, "Guys who brag about size will, sooner or later, find themselves in a locker room."
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Location: minocqua, wi. | Golf is so easy that it's hard. it's a game where less is more, flexibility and the ability to remain calm is critical. it's a fun game to play but an even more fun game to teach. it's bio-mechanics where you turn your body into a spring and then into a series of levers ... great game for the math and physics mind.
steve ... you and pizza-boy come up for a lesson (between kevin, my kids and i we'll have you ready to go quick) and play at timber ridge with me this fall and then we'll head out to katherine or the chain and fish afterward. i got a largemouth honey-hole that's producing some slobs this year.
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Location: Yahara River Chain | Just remember that the Scottish invented golf and called it fun
They are also the same people that invented bagpipes and called it music. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | if i take you to 17 at sawgrass and say "hit the shot" ... vs. take you to a spot on spot and say throw a cast or have you sit in the boat for a trolling pass ... something to ponder.
golfers cannot be "guided" to make birdie
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Sled, you are on. Always wanted to understand the game better.
Anyone wanting to keep a fish calmer during cpr, it's the hold. Firm grip on the lower jaw, clasping one's thumb and forefinger side to side FIRMLY in the thin soft spot, support the fish in the center, slide it onto the board (think about that before wetting and placing your board so you have the board facing the right way, just to insure speed), with firm grip still in place, look at the tail, back up supporting the fish in the center again, quick shot, back in the water. Maybe 30 seconds. Any one who's so incredibly cool they don't need a measure, good for you! That's me with some fish, not me with others. Personal choice. It doesn't hurt the fish if done right, so I'll bump fish when I want to, and won't when I don't. |
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| Did you give up musky fishing for golf then? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I know many who golf and fish. Some are pretty good at both. Why do you ask, Grasshopper? |
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Location: MPLS, MN | As for the actual question this seems to work well:
Give the fish a 180, instead of putting the fish straight down with the fishes stomach facing you turn him so the back is facing you. This turn seems to calm them down and not make them flop as much. Hope this makes sense. |
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| I fish way to much to golf
I have never understod how a golfer could fish or a fisherman could golf?
It takes to much time to do either or be good at them |
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| Just Thinking, if I get a really big fish, I won't have to wet down the board in the lake, I'll just rub it on my pants---they'll be wet.
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Location: Contrarian Island | Sled I see your point but even w/ the scenario you describe above doesn't the guy or gal making the cast have to still get the fish to hit, and stay on, and in the net....I think you probably had a few spots on Eagle you made the cast, and you had monsterous fish follow ...(while guided no less) that you simply f'd up by all acounts, even your own...so. you still have to make the cast ..and make the shot in golf....
making the cast is easy in fishing...now try to convert those 50 plus'ers when they do show up..that is where the boys and men are seperated...
I'll stick to fishing...my golf swing needs some work...
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| Guest - 6/24/2009 2:06 PM
I fish way to much to golf
I have never understod how a golfer could fish or a fisherman could golf?
It takes to much time to do either or be good at them
I've never understood the concept of being "good at" fishing... Sure, there's the mechanics of casting, lure selection, figure 8's etc, reading the water, boat control... But we're not talking about something that takes years and years of "hard work' to accomplish. And there's no real way to measure your success, because there are too many variables. It's not like sports, where there's a score, stats, averages, etc. The "best" anglers still won't catch great numers of fish on low desnity fisheries, nor will they ever catch 40# fish on a regular basis if they fish where that class of fish is incredibly rare. Sometimes no matter how "good" you are, you're not going to catch anything, and some days you encounter fish that are determined to eat no matter what you do.
It's a fish, it's got a brain the size of a pea, and its instincts tell it to eat anything that swims through the water. Being able to outsmart one once in a while doesn't seem like all that great of an accomplishment to me. ANYBODY can catch a fish.
Someone who can put a little white ball on a tee, whack it with a club, and make it go where they want it to? Into that little tiny hole, 350 yards away, in a specified number of strokes?
THAT is impressive. That takes a level of skill and patience that you don't develop in a few years. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | having kids means you have to be versatile. so, musky, bass, crappie, gil fishing combines with golf in our house and it helps when the tee box is a 30 pace walk from the garage. i'm glad my kids love to compete and at the end of the day that to me regardless of the sport is the fun of doing it and it teaches life skills. i like to know where i'm going and why i'm going there, what i'm doing and why i'm doing it and then score at whatever regardless of whether it's work or a hobby.
"measurement" is usually a part of competitve sports. my kids drive the wagon and for mine it's wrestling at a very competitive level and golf, but they love to fish too. i ask them one simple question "do you want to do it to have fun? or do you want to be good? because they are two very different answers and experiences. i find it interesting to hear and see so much posturing around musky fishing and oftentimes by people who can't compete trying to dictate policy to those who are competitive claiming all others but themselves to be "doing it all wrong".
protecting the fishery is a cheap copout for wanting to control someone else on this subject.
i hate bumpboards, but also know they're needed to truly know what you have ... big fish get bump-board measured unless i drop the slimy ba$tard into the water before getting a chance to measure it.
so to the original point. hold on in the right place and do not let go ... and to nelson's point, for sure, yes ... the boys are separated from the men at those numbers! ... as kids are left behind when wrestlers go to the kohl center in April and as golfers are separated when they start shooting consistently low numbers. competing at a high level in any sport is pretty darn cool if you don't or can't it's no reason to place blame on those who do.
you can always "toe-the-line", "tee-it-up" or "put your boat in the water" and go prove it vs. calling foul on those who actually do.
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Location: Ontario | EA I don't agree with you at all. Marc Thorpe and Jody Mills are two guys that catch big fish all the time, regularly, and in the case of Thorpe, can call their shots more often than not just by watching stuff like air pressue. These two guys are very consistent at catching very large muskie. To them, 'stats' are really simple. How many fish over thirty five pounds this season? There aren't many Mills or Thorpes out there, but they do exist. And they've gotten very good at fishing and have meaningful stats: lots and lots of really big fish. IMO, this is the only stat worth keeping track of. To some guys it might be lots of small fish, winning a trophy or soemthing else even. Every guy's different. In my mind, you can teach anybody to shoot a free throw, sink a putt or throw a discus. You need to know a lot about a lot of stuff to be a good outdoorsman. I'm still pretty sure I could still be top 3 in scoring on the Toronto Maple Leafs Most of the best fishermen and hunters I know are guys at least my age and usually wayyy older. I can't say I know any guys or gals younger than me that can hold a candle to the old guys.
(Oddly enough, these guys are seldom on the internet and will both tell you staight-faced that they've never seen anything as big as what gets reported online year after year. There's a pretty telling perspective and another thread in itself, too)
Golf's a good parallel, it takes a lot of work to be a golfer, I personally think its the hardest sport to master and guys who are really good at it have definitely put in the hours and practice. Its hard.
Back to the real issue of taking measurements on fish to the 1/4 inch. This thread is like a pizza to me/......best when Pre-Frozen haha! |
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