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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I don't believe there's any recruitment in any of the attached waters.
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Location: lake x...where the hell is it? | Madison - 4/20/2009 10:48 PM
Why doesn't the DNR allow these fish to enter wingra where they may successfully spawn? I see little chance of any natural reproduction in that channel.
i dont belive its up to the dnr, "the friends of the aboredum" say what happends. plus if they where to let all them muskies in to wingra most will starve to death before they went back to monona |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | Madison - 4/20/2009 10:48 PM
Why doesn't the DNR allow these fish to enter wingra where they may successfully spawn? I see little chance of any natural reproduction in that channel.
The city owns the spillway. We (Cap City Muskies Inc) had to deal with several government entities and a few years to be able to place a thick covering over the edge of the steel weir where the sharp thin metal that could injure these fish. And like sworrall says there really isn't a good spawning area for them in Lake Wingra or the incoming streams attached to the lake. Most folks know that the lower range of the muskie is a entirely stocked fishery because of that fact. That is why the states like IL, IA, MO, TN, KY, OH, IN, PA, allow an open season year around. It just so happens in the lakes around here the eggs would most likely suffocate prior to hatching (if the carp don't get them 1st). I will also add that the spillway is fix, meaning that someone can not adjust the level to allow these fish to continue upstream more easily. There is also talk about taking out the spillway and replacing it with a impenetrable structure as some think that carp can get up into Lake Wingra as well and these groups would like to prevent that. But the way the money is these days that idea might be a long way off.
One more comment about all them them muskies starving in Lake Wingra if they all made it in Lake Wingra. While that would be true only if someone would shut off the spillway. I'm sure that these fish would migrate downstream (in this case) in search of food if they have a hard time finding it where they were at. And the group is called "Friends of Lake Wingra" (www.lakewingra.org)
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Location: Madison WI | They were moving around some yesterday, saw one big fish but didn't manage to get a good picture of it, because the water was so dirty and it was about 7 at night and was raining. Here she is:
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| Neat pix! Interesting that the tiger is there. Any thoughts of or efforts for putting a ladder in there? Or are they not wanting to help these fish get upstream?
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Location: Madison WI | muskie-addict - 4/21/2009 10:08 AM
Neat pix! Interesting that the tiger is there. Any thoughts of or efforts for putting a ladder in there? Or are they not wanting to help these fish get upstream?
-Eric
What do you mean by putting a ladder there? Not that they really need it. I have seen fish jump over the plate of the far side of the dam, which sits about 1.5- 2 ft higher then the middle of the spillway. I remember one a couple years ago that cleared the plate by a good foot. From the water to the peak of its jump it was about 4.5 - 5 ft. |
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Location: Apple Valley | Great pictures!!!! Thanks for sharing.
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Location: lake x...where the hell is it? | muskie nut, what if mother nature shuts off the spill way, it drys up? then what smart guy? an d how come the cap city chp. dont do more to protect them? i have told atleast 3 people this season they cant fish there. saw one guy snag one on sat., told another to stop throwing rocks at them and another to stop trying to poke them with a stick. where you at then? why dont you guys put up bigger and better signs that say no fishing? would the dnr have a issue with that if you guys did more to help protect the state fish? and why are they protected on the creek side but not the lake side? |
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Location: McFarland | The ones that really want to get up will get up...it's only about a foot and half jump right now. Was down yesterday and saw one try three times in a row and then on the fourth cleared it no problem. It was like he was just sizing it up because the first three times he was just kind of taildancing...kinda cool. Heres my trophy shot from last year that I won the Okuma contest with.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | jay lip ripper - 4/21/2009 12:47 PM
muskie nut, what if mother nature shuts off the spill way, it drys up? then what smart guy? an d how come the cap city chp. dont do more to protect them? i have told atleast 3 people this season they cant fish there. saw one guy snag one on sat., told another to stop throwing rocks at them and another to stop trying to poke them with a stick. where you at then? why dont you guys put up bigger and better signs that say no fishing? would the dnr have a issue with that if you guys did more to help protect the state fish? and why are they protected on the creek side but not the lake side?
Hey, I don't see any reason to beat up on Gerard or the Cap City chapter MI. I bet you are not there 24/7 either, nor should anyone have to be. Enforcement is up to the DNR law enforcement folks...report what you see to them, call the TIP line, etc. The MI members in Madison have done a TON to support Muskie angling, the muskies in local waters, and more. I'd suggest you work with the Capital City Chapter MI, and if that's not in the cards for you, at least not behave like they are anything but strident supporters of everything Muskie. |
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| Madison - 4/20/2009 10:48 PM
Why doesn't the DNR allow these fish to enter wingra where they may successfully spawn? I see little chance of any natural reproduction in that channel.
Have you seen Wingra? It's looking better these last few years but... If suitable substrate doesn't exist on the rest of the chain, you ain't gonna find it on Wingra, either.
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| jay lip ripper - 4/21/2009 12:47 PM
muskie nut, what if mother nature shuts off the spill way, it drys up? then what smart guy? an d how come the cap city chp. dont do more to protect them? i have told atleast 3 people this season they cant fish there. saw one guy snag one on sat., told another to stop throwing rocks at them and another to stop trying to poke them with a stick. where you at then? why dont you guys put up bigger and better signs that say no fishing? would the dnr have a issue with that if you guys did more to help protect the state fish? and why are they protected on the creek side but not the lake side?
I would think enforcing the laws is best left up to law enforcement...
And before you go attacking the CCMI guys, maybe you ought to do a little digging into what they actually DO. You've got a pretty good fishery there. Ever wonder how it got that way? |
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Location: Madison WI | sworrall - 4/21/2009 2:21 PM
Hey, I don't see any reason to beat up on Gerard or the Cap City chapter MI. I bet you are not there 24/7 either, nor should anyone have to be.
Once season opens up we are there pretty much 24/7 and when we are there we are pretty vigilant about not letting anyone fish in the refuge. I have the DNR tipline on speed dial. The following is not a bash on the WDNR at all because I know how short staffed they are, but they have come out to Wingra once in the past 3 yrs out of about 15 calls that were made. This year if they aren't able to come out I am just going to call the police. |
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Location: lake x...where the hell is it? | me and jeff spend more time now and during the season at the dam then anyone else, dnr enforcement... its a joke. report someone...done that with notting done about it. i should charge the dnr for doing what they should but i also understand that they are understaffed so we take upon ourselves to protect our fish from people that cant read one of the 4 signs that say no fishing. i want to put one up that says "NO FISHING... THIS MEANS YOU!!!" |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | That's admirable you offer your time at the dam. If you are volunteering (and that's what you are doing) to be there, you can't 'charge' anyone...nor should you think it's warranted...because by definition you then are no longer volunteering. The DNR can't have a warden monitor every no fishing area in the state even when the budget is in good shape, so expecting them to be there isn't realistic. I'd still call the TIP line, and offer as much information as you can, including license plate numbers, to go along with the report.
The signage issue I'll leave to those who know where the source is, and how those might be changed, but it sounds to me like it's already pretty obvious it's a refuge.
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| Jeff,
Ladder = fish ladder: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_ladders or Google it.
Jay,
You're to be applauded for trying to protect the resource. However, to sit on the sidelines and finger-point does nothing to help the cause. It's clear you have a TREMENDOUS amount of passion for these fish, but that passion could be channeled through organizing efforts to CHANGE things. Instead of saying, "Why don't you do this" or "Where were you when such and such happened" maybe you could let bygones be bygones, put your differences aside, and help out the Cap. City Chapter of MI. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | jay lip ripper - 4/21/2009 2:38 PM
me and jeff spend more time now and during the season at the dam then anyone else, dnr enforcement... its a joke. report someone...done that with notting done about it. i should charge the dnr for doing what they should but i also understand that they are understaffed so we take upon ourselves to protect our fish from people that cant read one of the 4 signs that say no fishing. i want to put one up that says "NO FISHING... THIS MEANS YOU!!!"
please tell me you aren't a postal worker |
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Location: lake x...where the hell is it? | jonnysled - 4/21/2009 3:10 PM
jay lip ripper - 4/21/2009 2:38 PM
me and jeff spend more time now and during the season at the dam then anyone else, dnr enforcement... its a joke. report someone...done that with notting done about it. i should charge the dnr for doing what they should but i also understand that they are understaffed so we take upon ourselves to protect our fish from people that cant read one of the 4 signs that say no fishing. i want to put one up that says "NO FISHING... THIS MEANS YOU!!!"
please tell me you aren't a postal worker
NO i am a muskie angler!!! are you? |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | just providing some much-needed levity to the subject ... kumbaya dude |
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Location: lake x...where the hell is it? | sean i was not trying to point fingers, but it seems like everytime someones says something about the dam,the cap city says something about what they did to the edge and thats it. i know about what they have done to help turn this into a great fishrey. but more needs to be done to protect them when they are at the dam. i know what i have seem people do when i have been there and hate to think about what has happends when we are not there. it IS VERY EASY TO SNAG them just like the guy did on saturday, with 10 other people standing around watching. there are not many places like this and it dont last a long time, maybe only april and may. i would like to see a camra put up for that short time and have someone watching it or something. anything to try to protect the fish other then fixing the edge so they dont hurt themselves. |
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| jay lip ripper - 4/21/2009 3:46 PM
anything to try to protect the fish other then fixing the edge so they dont hurt themselves.
that's a loaded one especially in madison eh? any man-girls with short-hair, a little bit of a gut, greyish hair, birkenstocks, a subaru and a PETA card would probably love to help out.
at least the folks poking them aren't doing it with a spear tip on the end of the stick. |
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| muskie nut, what if mother nature shuts off the spill way, it drys up? then what smart guy? and how come the cap city chp. dont do more to protect them?
whoa...slow your roll, big buck, slow your roll.
it might be a good idea to ask yourself why it is that there's a 45" size limit on the Madison Chain, or who it is that pays for most of those stocked fish in the chain, or who it is that was out there returning muskies to Wingra when the carp were netted, or who it is that improved the spillway edge so muskies aren't hurt, who helped get the signs up at the spillway, etc....ask yourself who is the primary reason the Madison fishery is so good?
CCMI, that's who.
no one can be there all the time, every time. some fish will get caught illegally. some fish will get caught and kept legally during the season. it happens. efforts that focus on education and encouraging catch and release are in many ways more productive than enforcement can ever hope to be.
if you're out there making sure fish aren't hurt or snagged at the spillway, thank you. you're helping all of us. just be careful that you don't cast stones at those who help in other ways.
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Location: New Hope MN | What the heck is the tiger doing... I didn't know they migrated to spawning sites? |
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| dtaijo174 - 4/21/2009 4:33 PM
What the heck is the tiger doing... I didn't know they migrated to spawning sites?
shootin' blanks! 
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Location: lake x...where the hell is it? | are you guys even reading my post? thats twice i was told what i already know and i even said so. |
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Location: lake x...where the hell is it? | esoxaddict - 4/21/2009 4:45 PM
dtaijo174 - 4/21/2009 4:33 PM
What the heck is the tiger doing... I didn't know they migrated to spawning sites?
shootin' blanks!
they like to hang out with the big girls, maybe hoping for a little action from one.lol. but i have not seem as many as i did last year. got a 42" tiger on opener 2 years ago.
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Location: lake x...where the hell is it? | Sorry if that's what it seems like but its not what i am trying to do. but everyone keeps telling me all that they have done so why not ask why they don't do more to protect these fish at this most important time? |
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Location: New Hope MN | esoxaddict - 4/21/2009 4:45 PM
dtaijo174 - 4/21/2009 4:33 PM
What the heck is the tiger doing... I didn't know they migrated to spawning sites?
shootin' blanks!
LOL!! nice! |
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Location: N.FIB | thats a nice tiger,has anybody heard of any upper 40`s caught on the chain. |
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