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Location: South Portsmouth, KY | When are these going to be available to the masses through the big order stores like thornes, rollies and basspro/cabelas? |
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| imho that thing have some poor casting feature,no advantage over a 7001 or a luna,if they build one whit a pb or a tb maybe but not like that. |
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Location: South Portsmouth, KY | Daiwa shows on their website that they do offer a levelwind in the 6.4:1 gears with 47.2 line pickup. The model number is STTLW40HA and STTLW50HA. Heres the link. http://www.daiwa.com/Reel/detail.aspx?ID=442 |
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| Justin,
There are several on Ebay right now. |
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Location: South Portsmouth, KY | Would the 47"/crank almost be to fast? Lets say i would want to slow the double 10's down. Even at crankin these as slow as possible wouldent it still blow these out of the water? Would i be best to get the 36"/crank model so i can crank the double 10's slow plus very fast and still be able to work other baits such as bulldawgs at their own speed? |
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Location: Ogden, Ut | muskie_man - 8/3/2008 10:31 AM
Would the 47"/crank almost be to fast? Lets say i would want to slow the double 10's down. Even at crankin these as slow as possible wouldent it still blow these out of the water? Would i be best to get the 36"/crank model so i can crank the double 10's slow plus very fast and still be able to work other baits such as bulldawgs at their own speed?
IMO, no. You can always slow down. If it gets to be an 'annoyingly slow' cranking pace, then switch to a different reel (i.e., 7000, Luna, Calcutta, etc.). I was side by side w/ lambeau at Vermilion a couple weeks ago and he was using his Saltist at 47"/crank and was moving double 10s and double 9s faster that I was capable of w/ a 7000c (5.3:1). I was working a helluva lot harder than he was too. He even had enough spare energy to laugh at me..."hahaha, you should see how fast your hand is moving".
The Saltist is not by any means a 'jack of all trades' reel. It is a very specialized tool for a specific purpose - moving hard to pull baits very fast. When you don't need to do that, it's purely overkill. I probably don't need one, but believe me, I am very well aware of their capabilities and if I ever feel the NEED to move a bait that fast, I'll be getting one.
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Location: Hugo, MN | Why is it that many people find 36" per crank to be too slow when a normal reel retrieves 20-25". Does a muskie look at a bait flying through the water at 6 mph and think, "I'd eat it if it were going 7". What is the difference, really? The fact is, at those speeds, the blades are warping and the clevises are being stressed to the breaking point. Maybe 47" is TOO much. I have a Curado 300 that does 30" (I measured it), and I burned a Mepps Musky Killer at a pretty good clip. Add 6" more to each crank, along with more leverage, and the double tens will be flying. I don't see how being faster than that is going to catch more fish. If anything, I'd think you'd blow the bait past a fish faster than it can react more often than not. Am I missing something? Has anybody found that a bait retrieved with a 47"/crank reel will outproduce a 36"/crank reel? I've somehow managed to catch a few on standard retrieves. |
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | I think most folks are way over estimating how fast a bait is moving when they're really cranking it . F. ex 7mph is ~ 10.26 ft/sec or ~123.2"/sec or ~ 2.62 revoltions/sec on Lambeau's Saltist . I don't think so! What higher speeds give you is change in the bait's signature i.e., both accoustic and water pressure wave (lateral line stimulation).
A muskie can definitely react to a bait at 7mph, i.e., they can accelerate to ~51ft/sec or 30 mph. I don't think you can pull a bait away from a muskie that really wants it!
Have fun!
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Location: NYC (and many weeks in MN during summer) | there isn't a reel in the world that can make a bait move faster than a musky. Not even close!!!!
Anyway, when reeling a bait in quickly, the consensus is that muskies fear their meal is going to get away and this causes a reactionary strike. It doesn't give the fish a chance to realize it's not real food.
And yes, there is a big difference in retrieving at 36" or 47" per crank.
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Location: South Portsmouth, KY | I am still iffy on buying this reel. I was told from a guy at Thorne bros that this reel was made for fishing king fish and it was not really made for casting applications but for live bait fishin. Also the question arised how long will the reel last using double 10's since its a new reel and not many has tested it out. I am still liking the price and the line retrieval. I might take a shot with it. |
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Location: N.FIB | well I hope this reel is half way decent since I just ordered one.My ihsn 7000 went out on me again today,just got it back a month ago from sportsmans repair,not sure whats really wrong with it yet,but I won`t fish with it until I send it back out and get it back again.I`m just looking for something to last me til the end of the season,reels always break on me every year so it`s no big deal. |
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| Lambeau, or others using the Saltist successfully -
Did you make any changes to the brake system on your Saltist?
I pulled out one brake, but left the other intact in an effort to maximize distance...still having more backlash problems than I care to admit.
I also changed line to Bronzeback and adjusted the spool tension; both of which helped a great deal, though the frequency of backlashes is still not where I would expect them to be.
Of course, the real culprit could be my non-educated, sausage-sized thumb...
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Location: N.FIB | CASTING55 - 8/5/2008 7:53 PM
got my reel in the mail and tried it out today,doesn`t reel as smooth as my big game 7000 garcia,but it picks up the line faster.If I want I can blow a doulbe 10 out of the water,I also used it to throw my 10 inch weagle and it worked great for that.Overall I`m not gonna brag this reel up,but I`m not gonna get rid of it either,time will tell how long this reel will last.I will be up in vilas county next week so it will get a weeks long of abuse from me.Also I ordered the one pictured on this thread,and the shipping was also free,and I`m very impressed with J-H tackle with how fast they shipped this reel.
well I hope this reel is half way decent since I just ordered one.My ihsn 7000 went out on me again today,just got it back a month ago from sportsmans repair,not sure whats really wrong with it yet,but I won`t fish with it until I send it back out and get it back again.I`m just looking for something to last me til the end of the season,reels always break on me every year so it`s no big deal. |
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| Also the question arised how long will the reel last using double 10's since its a new reel and not many has tested it out.
at this point it's already outlasted other reels that i've used for double-10s.
i've used and wrecked Abu 7000 CS Rocket, Abu 7000iCS Rocket, Abu 7000 Big Game, Abu Record, Okuma Induron, Daiwa Luna, and Shimano 400b.
the only other reel that i haven't blown up on them is a Shimano 400TE. i don't know if this Saltist will blow up before the year is through, but at this point it's holding up where in the past i'd be on my second or third reel. at the end of last week i did notice that there was a slight squeek developing, i suppose it probably needs some oil by now...i assume the big Shimano reels are equally durable.
***here is one major limiting factor i've found with this reel. at the rate the spool spins and without a levelwind, it's easy to overcast. even if you don't get a full backlash, the line can start to fly around and get loose a bit as the cast is going out. this has resulted in some line fray as the loose curls of line flap against the crosspiece at the top of the reel while spinning at high speed. that line fray has resulted in a couple of broken lines for me.
the remedy for this is to tighten down the spool tension, shorten the casts, and keep better control of the lure during the cast.
for me, the point of a low gear ratio (4:1 or whatnot) with a big spool is to make it easier for you to reel while maintaining decent speed. this reel adds speed while still making it moderately easy to retrieve. there IS more resistance felt with this reel when reeling fast than with an Abu 7000, etc., but you're moving the bait much faster than with that reel. put on a double-8 or similar "small" bucktail with a little added weight to keep it in the water and it's stunning how fast you can burn them in.
speed is just one trigger, and not always the right one. last week i was burning double-10s with the Saltist and my boat partner was getting follows slow-rolling a double-10 spinnerbait. we talked about it, and so then i switched to a slow-moving twitch bait and started seeing fish and caught a nice one. the next day he was seeing nothing on the slow-moving spinnerbait and i raised a half-dozen fish burning a double-10 including 2 that ate in the figure-8 (but got off, dang it). sometimes it's the right tool, sometimes it isn't.
again, this isn't a reel for everyone and it's not the easiest thing in the world to use. i suspect that this winter there will be a glut of used Trinidads, Toriums, and Saltists for sale from people who didn't like them.
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| I'm looking to get a Saltist before the 2009 season. Do you guys think I should get the ultra-high speed Saltist without levelwind (STT-30TH)or a STTLW20HA which has a levelwind? Also, for a rod I'm looking at St. Croix's new Legend Tournament designed for big blades but I think an 8' 6 rod is too long. I like the 8 ft heavy premier because of its shorter size but I really love the legends. What are your thoughts? |
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Location: Ft. Wayne, Indiana | I like the 8'6" rods. I have the Big Dawg rod and it is really nice. |
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| The 30TH is actually a reel with the line capacity of a 30 with the gearing and spool diameter of a 40. The larger diameter spool allows the much faster retrieve. Just a thought to consider: the 40 is only about an ounce heavier than the 30T and has the same sideplate profile, so if you can handle the fact that the reel frame is wider, the levelwind 40H with its 47" retrieve becomes a real alternative to the 30T... |
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Location: South Portsmouth, KY | Any updates on how the new levelwind saltist performs(how it casts,etc...) Thanks! |
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Location: Kronenwetter, WI | Lambeau--
I, too, have noticed the line fray and suspected that it was caused by the overcasting and loose line hitting the hardware upon retrieve....
Has anyone notice the severe angle that the line comes off the spool to the first guide...the reel is so tall that the line makes a sharp downward angle to the first guide..I thought that might cause undue friction against the guide and contribute to fraying?
Edited by Cowboyhannah 10/14/2008 9:32 PM
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Location: Home of the 2016 World Series Champion Cubs | Bet you'll see these around the pools at all the off season shows. |
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| With the season winding down for good, wondering what the final verdict was on the Saltist. I am looking to purchase the STTLW40HA or possibly the STTLW50HA..... anyone see the STTLW50HA ??? Wondering if this reel is overkill. I spent the year burning Dbl. #10s on a Trinidad 14 but would like antother powerhouse to burn Dbl #13s. |
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| I used the 40 this year and it took a little time to get used to the size but after a few outings now i really like it. At first I hated it, it is a big reel. If you have small hands probably not the real for you. I would look at them before ordering. Good luck and happy holidays. |
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| How much for one of those babies?  |
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| lambeau - 7/17/2008 8:27 AM
that's cool.
i've been running the Daiwa Saltist (non-levelwind) this year for my oversize bucktails and it's an awesome reel, especially at the affordable price when compared to other reels in this class.
it's extremely strong, casts a mile, and brings even hard-pulling double-12s in very fast without breaking your hand (i have the narrow high-speed version at 47"/crank). i 've found that by just slightly under-filling the spool, the line loads nicely even without the levelwind.
great reel. the addition of the levelwind will make it even easier to use.
what model specifically do you have? I just bought an SH50 and at 22.5 OZ is waaay too big! |
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| i ran a 30-size high-speed in the summer of '08. STT30TH with no levelwind, 47" per crank.
it was durable, easy to use, and very very fast.
it's large size (big sides, 23 ounces) was cumbersome for my small hands, and in the end it really was overkill with more speed than i felt was necessary.
this year i've been using a Shimano Trinidad TN 14 instead, no levelwind, 36" per crank.
it's smaller (about the size of a standard round reel, 15 ounces weight), smooth and powerful, and is plenty fast enough to blow big bucktails out of the water without too much effort. i might have to crank a few more times through the day, but the smaller reel size means that my hands are actually much less tired when i'm done.
the Saltist 20-size is comparable in speed and size, and is available with a levelwind if that's an issue for you.
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| Is the line fray mostly on non-level wind reels?
Do others get much line fray from using the STTLW30HA (level wind)?
Does masterbraid line fray much?
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | No line fray for me, I've used the LW this summer with no problems........... I'll have to check my 16 Trinidad for any line fray but I haven't really noticed anything wrong.....I use 100LB. Bronzeback
I will get another Saltest 30LW , and a 20LW in the next few weeks,........Great Reels for sure.
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Location: Huber Heights, Ohio | Just ordered a STTLW20HA from Shark River Mail Order for 139.99. The 30 is 147.99, best pricing I could find. |
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| good find David.
When I went to look for the reels, at first I didn't see the level wind reels when I selected "rods and reels". Of course, they appeared a few pages later. However, once I selected "rods and reels" followed by selecting "Daiwa Rods Reels", they were listed together.
So,
click on the following......
http://www.srmo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Cod...
shipping looks like 10.25
http://www.srmo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Cod... |
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Location: Huber Heights, Ohio | When I went through the checkout process, it indicated 0.00 for shipping and the conformation email I received showed my total to be 139.99. I did see the 10.25 shipping, so if they add it no biggie. |
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