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It seems rather odd that some people are more than happy to show off pictures of themselves with big fish, but yet go to such lengths to hide details about catches.
Seems rather bi-polar, "Here's me with my big fish", "Won't tell you anything about it though!"
Why not just show pics to people you know then, instead of strangers that you are worried will hone in on your spots?
Why would you care if people you don't know see a picture of you with a fish?
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | I find the blocked out pics quite absurd. I agree people are paranoid about their big fish spots. Just because a nice fish was caught in a general area does not mean that every person on the board is going to flock there. What are the odd that someone will be fish the exact spot anyways and they will put their bait in front of a hungry fish. Even if ten people registered on this site decide to go try fishing the general area on the lake immediately after reading the post this only comes out to 0.003% of registered users on MuskieFirst. This is by no means qualifies as everyone going to that spot to fish. |
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| to each thier own. If I do not want pressure on the lake or spot then you do not get to see a pic with background. Simple as that. those of you that do not like the blacked out background, find another spot. |
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| For those of you who do not think you can get info out a photo, well then, you are not looking close enough. I would rather see a photo with blacked out background than no photo at all. |
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Location: oswego, il | I do crop pictures when I post, basically have to resize them anyway so I make it part of the process. I am posting a picture of a fish so I maximize that part but there is background. If you don't want the background in, kneeling is the best way to get rid of it in a photo. I have only posted one picture on the site with an erased background, I did it because it is not my area and my buddy would like to keep it secret. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Yeah, George has been PACKED. Only a single other muskie boat out there the last couple times I was out. Moen has been even worse. No one. LOTS of cookies in this jar, and I don't mind sharing; 9 times out of 10 no one seems to even notice. If the lake has a couple other boats, so what. Mille Lacs has more in 100 acres on a weekend than most of our 500 acre lakes do in a month. Thanks, MN, I'm near all alone up here most days.
Bit of an exaggeration that an average angler who doesn't know Kentuck could read a thread and go fish that lake successfully without ever looking at a map. Most guys I know have trouble finding spots I give them WITH a map. Information spewing? Please, if you don't want to share, don't, but don't step all over other's willingness to. I won't step on your unwilling attitude in return. Just don't forget where WE ALL get quite a bit of our info...we ain't closed- books- slam- dunk got- it -all- figured-from HUGE personal experience. No one is, if they are smart.
There are so many reports on the board one wouldn't have a clue which way to point the truck. SOme folks get all bent out of shape if they see another boat on a spot they think is personal...and then question how that spot was found. Who cares? If you are so inwardly turned, you shouldn't care at all. Just a point, that 'spot' was there before we were even our daddy's Idea, and will be there LOOOOOONNNNGGG after all of us here are gone.
Like ole Crocodile said...Fleas arguing over who owns the dog. |
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Location: The desert | For me, if I block out the background, which I dont often do its mainly because the spot already sees tremendous pressure. I'm not so much trying to hide the spot, but more of trying to keep down that the spot is turning on and fish are starting to go. Although I think some on this site will attest to the fact that if you want to go out and catch fish and ask me, I'll take you there personally and show you how to do it. |
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Location: Nowheresville, MN | "fish the north end cribs just to the right of the access.
Use Topwaters, Bulldawgs, Double Cowgirls, say in 14-15 feet of water and throw towards the reeds" -- That's probably real tough to find.
"fish the shallow water cove behind the rock bar, great weeds and big fish." -- This one's probably even harder to find. Those coves can be a real bugger to locate you know, since every cove has a rock bar in front of it..
Oh, and Medic, you don't have to be a registered user to view threads. |
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| that is because all of the fish we have see lately out of moen are so big we are affraid to fish it.
if the fish were maybe 45 -50" class people would be there, but there are hundreds of lakes around there with the little/average size fish that are being posted. that 45' the other day was the first "ok" fish we have seen on this site in the last 2years. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Moen really treated me well this year and last. I know several folks from this website who did better than 45" on Moen from my rig. Most guys hate it because of the serious need I exhibit to fish the slop. A couple over 4' from there last year...heck even FSF got a decent fish with us on Moen last year. Far as I know none of those folks have been back there since...and I haven't posted a fish from Moens in months.
If you don't want to share information DON'T. If others want to they will. Edit your pictures all you want, I will choose not too. What a weird argument.
Tfoot; community spots and certainly not secret if the guy HAS a map and can read the thing. Get over it, mebbe buy your own lake. Whatever it takes to make you feel better...  |
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Location: Ogden, Ut | Mine are all Photoshopped...
In fact, I live out on the coast by Sponge and those aren't muskies, they're stripers. The mountains are done in crayon.
The secret's out now I guess, sorry I ruined our spot Sponge.
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| "Thanks, MN, I'm near all alone up here most days. "
Maybe that explains why people in MN are becoming so tight lipped.. I drive around the lake and all I see are plates from WI, IL, IA, etc.. All hauling musky rigs, that is fine and dandy if out of state people are coming over to experience waters that actually have a chance of producing fish in excess of 48"... Just don't expect me to post pictures of spots that I already get cut off on almost every weekend.. There are not many secrets, but there are spots that have less presure.. It is easy for someone who fishes a 500 acre lake and maybe sees 4 boats on a busy weekend to wonder why people would block out backgrounds, come on over to MN, its a different experience.. Once again, this is no exaggeration, a fairly well-known spot that usually sees about 5 boat every night (I know this because it is right in front of my cabin) and someone posted a picture of a big fish that clearly shows the background. Two days later, there was 14 boats on that spot.. I'll bet if everyone was honest, 7 of those boats would have admitted to being on that spot because of the internet picture.. Sure it is not "my lake" or "my fish" but if I show backgrounds, I now have many other boats to manuver around, get cut off by and possibly catch active fish when the window opens.. I don't know about you, but I sure like dumb, unpressured (less pressured) fish, they are more fun....
Really this thread is pretty dumb, if people want to post a picture of a big fish and block the background, that is their business.. Like blocking background or not, we all like to see pictures of big fish and others success... I personally choose not to post pictures on this website, others may choose to block the background and you may choose to let it all hang out, do whatever makes you feel good.. I for one, like to see pics of big fish...
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Location: Utah | I can "personally" attest concealing the background on Musky catches can be a very good policy to practice especially when fishing on a "very" small body of water. With a very small body of water and a large Musky catch posted with a "National Geographic" tourist picture background....guaranteed you'll have an armada in the area of the catch that day and continue for several days or a week. So, IMHO concealing a background all depends on the the fishing area. I agree, where one is caught others are also there. But having a grundle of the bertha sizes in same area is highly unlikely IMO. So for those "bertha" catches be very wary of posting background pics of these catches especially when on small bodies of water. It could and can turn out to be a "Musky Massacre" because of those who want that "catch-of-a-lifetime." |
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Location: Sun Prairie, WI | I don't consider my opinion "almighty" and I did not say a person HAD to get on the internet and post all their photo and information, but if you are going to post photos and other info, you leave yourself open for questions and you should be able to answer them truthfully.
You are not the only one that works hard and long to have a successful hunt or fishing trip, far from it.
As far as working hard to pattern and locate fish, everyone does it, its called fishing. And the more time a person has to do it, the better they get at it.
I also don't sit behind a computer all day looking to rip someone or voice my opinion just for kicks. the low number of posts I have can attest to that.
So I am sorry I ruined your day with my truthful opinion, maybe some day we'll meet on the water and I promise to buy you a cold one, if you handle the camera when I hold my nice fish up.
Have a good rest of the year fishing and hunting. |
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| Easy on the KY. bashing. While your crew struggled to find fish that one week I lost 5 over 50 one night. Ended up with 3 over 50. Wasn't being rude but we didn't talk to you guys. We shook fish off that weren't over 50 or didn't take pics or pick up the net to avoid the pressure. You guys cry over background shots? I'll catch crap for it but I put my time in on lakes everywhere. When your a weekend warrior like me you better believe you keep quiet. Sorry to vent but I caught fish of a lifetime and won't share it here. This is the closest to my 15 minutes of fame I'll share because I want supertanker to myself! I could never guide because I'm just to greedy. Hats off to the people who give big fish up to clients. I never could. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | anytime a picture of an average or below size fish is in a pic with the backround knocked is good entertainment ... why do you post the picture in the first place? ... to call attention to yourself ... then when you get the attention, it's a surprise ... but again, good entertainment ...
i too love the pic with the guy and the fish blocked out .... good stuff for a friday! LMAO |
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| people black out the backgrouds for dumb reasons.
If it is a good spot, most people who fish that certain lake know about it.
If you don't want to show off the picture, then learn to take better photographs with anything in the background.
This is just dumb, but with the ego's some of you have most of your comments didn't suprise me any.
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Location: Racine, Wi | sorenson - 9/13/2007 8:30 PM
Mine are all Photoshopped...
S.
Of course they are. Everyone knows there aren't any 50+ tigers ANYWHERE, much less Utah of all places.
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Location: Brookfield, WI | tuffy1 - 9/14/2007 7:15 AM
sorenson - 9/13/2007 8:30 PM
Mine are all Photoshopped...
S.
Of course they are. Everyone knows there aren't any 50+ tigers ANYWHERE, much less Utah of all places.
:- )
You're right, of course. And what about that cute little kid in that last picture he posted? He must have plucked that out of an online magazine or something. We're supposed to believe a kid that cute is his?
We're on to you and your CGI high jinx, Mr. Big Utah Tiger.
Kevin
"I dream of meatball sandwiches. All you can eat. Two bucks."
Edited by MuskyHopeful 9/14/2007 7:42 AM
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| ESOXER,
"So I am sorry I ruined your day with my truthful opinion, maybe some day we'll meet on the water and I promise to buy you a cold one, if you handle the camera when I hold my nice fish up."
Funny post... Believe me you did not ruin my day with "your truth", you are just another internet name... Also, I am MORE than happy to hold up the camera and take pics when someone in my boat catches a big fish.. I am generally the person controlling the boat, and if I am able to get my boat positioned correctly, on the right structure at the right time and someone has the opportunity, that is awsome.. I have netted and held the camera for 3 different people and their first 50"+ this year and a first timer who got a fat 49", these catches were FAR more exciting than the fish I have caught!!! In fact, I would rather see the person in my boat catch the big fish, so I'll be more than happy to hold the camera.. I do know that if the picture was going to go on the internet (without blocking backgrounds), you would not be fishing with me in the first place...
Remember a couple years ago when you would see bloody, vertical holds on fish... Rarely do you see those pictures anymore, people handle fish better (for the most part), they snap photos faster and care about the survival of the fish.. Lets take a positive spin on this thread and say that musky photos and release has come a long ways in the past few years and everyone should be commended.. I know I personaly handle fish far better than I did 5 years ago.. Who cares what people do to the photos afterwards, as long as the fish was safely placed back into the waters it came from.... |
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| Yeah thats just what we need. Hold the fish up longer until the boat swings around until the background is to your liking. I do not understand why you guys are getting so bent because the background is gone. For those of you who do not fish in MN. You have no idea what pressure is. |
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Location: Sheboygan Falls, WI | I caught these on Lake Julia. I photo shopped in the Manitowoc sign and its cleaning station. These are a new strain of musky. They fight a lot better than the other musky I have caught and they taste good too.
When Tuffy1 and I hook up in October, we will post the pics of all the big fish we catch. No photo shop needed as it won't matter anyway, no one really fishes the water that we will be going to and people won't have a clue.
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Location: Minnesota | Most guys won't even post photos because of how word travels. One guy in this post has fish from this summer that would make your jaws drop and he hasn't posted one of them for that reason. Word gets out way to fast these days.
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Location: Rhinelander, WI | This thread has gone all over the map regarding secret keeping.
First off I love to see pictures of BIG fish, it reminds me they are actually out there, when I am struggling on the water. If someone wants to blank out the background because people know were they fish and it’s an obvious spot I have no problem with that.
Fishing pressure has been talked about over and over on all the different web boards and I would say that most people believe that increased pressure at least has some effect on the fish.
If you have a spot that is being consistant for you by all means keep it to yourself. Two times I have seen pressure negatively effect fish. Both times it was on lakes that are under 200 acres. First time it was myself and a couple friends and we where consistently seen huge fish, we each told a couple friends and before you new it 2 or 3 times a week someone was fishing this lake that maybe saw musky pressure only a couple times a month before that. Guess what all of us started seeing fewer and fewer fish on the prime spots, they where still there and they could still be caught, but it became much harder. Second lake we did a better job of keeping to ourselves but this lake was even smaller and just our own added pressure moved the fish off the prime spots. So in my opinion it does have an effect.
If you have a good lake and an intelligent musky fisherman finds his way there likely they are going to be able to have the same success you are having, and then IF they have the time they will return, that’s the reason for keeping smaller lakes a little more quite. Because of this board and others, there is a heck of a lot more intelligent musky fishermen. And because there are more of us, period lakes that used to see maybe 2 to 5 musky boats a week may now see 10-20. The good thing is I am lucky to live in Musky country and fishing during the week, especially this time of year there usually isn’t many other boats on the water. But weekend pressure still can move the fish around.
Just my opinion, but hey why jump on someone for blanking out the background of a pic. There are tons of reasons not to post pictures on the boards but I don’t feel that’s one of them. I would rather see the fish pictures, they all tell a different story.
Nail a Pig!
Mike
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| You don't have to fish MN to know what pressure is.
I fish MN during the summer months, and the pressure there is NOTHING, like not even a full percentage, but a fraction of a percent of what it is like in Indiana.
585 acres.....25-35 musky boats....
THOUSANDS of acres and 40-50 musky boats....not even close.
Minnesota pressure still hasn't caught up with Indiana yet.
HULBERT
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | 'I frequently set the background by having the netman (me lotsa times...hehehe) moving the boat the way I want it while the fish is in the net.'
As in while the fish is getting unhooked, Maxey. Where else here does it say anything like:
'Yeah thats just what we need. Hold the fish up longer until the boat swings around until the background is to your liking.'
I don't think anyone is saying the fish should be out of the water for a longer time while the boat is adjusted for background. I'm absolutely certain I am not.
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Hey Mike;
Your not exactly comparing apples to apples in your pressure scenario.
Take Plant for instance, a lake I've seen you on.
It may be 3 times bigger than a 600 acre lake, but how much of that is water the muskie anglers are actually utilizing?
Most of the water is deep and the anglers are all fishing the same stuff.
Pressure is very concentrated even on bigger bodies of water.
On operer this year, Elk lake had 10 boats on it, it's a 200 acre lake.
Anyway, I really think being paranoid about people fishing spots in pictures is a little over the top.
I could post pictures of the 10 biggest fish I ever caught, and 99% of the people that saw them would have a hard time even figuring out what lake it was on, much less getting close to where it was caught.
Then of the people who could figure it out, how many of them are the types that would actually search for spots in that sort of way?
To each his own, if anyone wants to know where I caught a fish, I'll tell them straight up. Part of the fun of fishing is finding new spots/lakes anyway.
There are two kinds of fishermen, report makers, and report chasers.
The report makers are always one step ahead, finding new spots and new fish.
JS
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Location: Algonquin, ILL | Just fish at night, then the background will not be an issue 
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| Then they need to utilize more of the lake and not just fish the same 5 spots then....
Pretty simple.
There are muskies in more than 5 spots on a 2500 acre lake.
Pressure is pressure and our Indiana pressure is way more intense than MN.
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | Post pics, dont post pics.
Blackout backgrounds, dont blackout backgrounds.
Post reports, dont post reports.
Share info, dont share info.
All of the choices are fine with M1st, yes we have our own opinions, but if you keep your postings to the stated permissions, then all is good. We're NOT going to censure people for making fishing reports and we can't make you do so. We're not going to stop people from fishing YOUR water, and we wont make you tell where you're fishing.
Everyone has their choice of what to do in terms of helping others to learn to find waters to fish or helping them along. Help, dont help, your choice. |
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