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cjrich |
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| rob.s |
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| mskyhntr |
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| tilky |
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| muskyme |
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Posts: 324 Location: Bloomington, Illinois | Blanks also sound good...There are quite a few folks on this board who could paint them  | ||
| Big Perc |
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| muskymike68 |
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| cjrich |
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Posts: 551 Location: Columbus, Georgia | |||
| Trollindad |
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| This post is going to get way out there...... so those that think there is no difference don't read any further Tilky, I agree with you 100% on the "problems" with the BASF DR's but I feel there is a worthwhile trade off. My best ones are brittle, the paint does chip off differently than the others. The one lip I had break was one of my best ones (photo), but she caught 32 fish before she gave in. I bounced bottom for 4 years with that bait and did not mind putting it on the shelf. The lips on the older brittle ones actually turn a light yellow and lose there clarity (looks like a dirty ice cube to me). One thing to keep in mind is if we are able to get blanks is how to paint them. I have had some of the painters that frequent this board re-paint some of my old ones. All were artists with there patterns, the difference was the clear coat. The secret to the bait is to keep them light. Some were painted with thin brittle layers (and a thin brittle hard clear coat) and have the tendency to chip easily. Some were ENCASED in e-tex like a HR glider. BY FAR, the thin coated baits out produced the e-tex'd baits. I would hope if we can get blanks the paint would adhere better than a non-stripped re-paint. The main reason I feel this won't happen are the inherent problems with the BASF body. ROI will have people complaing for years about broken lips, chipping paint, ect..... that didn't know what they were getting or picked it up off a secondary marketplace (e-bay). The new baits (softer plastic), the lip actually wears down when grinding rocks and the hooks create a hook groove that quickly can eat it's way to the body cavity when trolled. The BASF baits (harder plastic) the lip does not wear down, it actually will get a million small hairline cracks in it causing it to become opaque until it finally breaks. The hooks do not wear a groove, but actaully seem to sand away at the bait over time. Once again, this is only my experience and opinion. But judging from the pm's & e-mails I have been getting on the subject there are many others that agree. I just wish they would post here!!!!!!! Tilky - I would love to get my hands on that BASF blank to compare it with a few of my Dr's. T'dad PS Please don't turn this into a thread about what happens if the lip breaks off completely along with the line tie (not through wired) leaving the next world record to die with a bait stuck in it's mouth. I have had that 1 bait break, and it was just the tip of the lip. I have seen threads take left turns like that before... Attachments ----------------  BASF DR.jpg (27KB - 398 downloads) | |||
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| tilky |
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Posts: 8824 | It ain't often we get to hear it right from the source. If I had a glass to raise I'd raise it to tilky right now for getting on here and not only answering questions, but taking the time to call around and getting the right answers. If you do ever dig up any of the old bodies, I think you'd probably be able to sell them here. Maybe  | ||
| Trollindad |
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| Tilky, Thanks for trying, you can see the interest here, maybe it will work out for all of us. In a way this helped us put closure to this issue - that there was a difference at one time. Either way....thanks again for all the extra work, T'dad | |||
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| tilky |
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| cjrich |
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Posts: 551 Location: Columbus, Georgia | |||
| baitmaker66 |
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| Big Perc |
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| tilky |
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| Fishy 1 |
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| jdsplasher |
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Posts: 2308 Location: SE, WI. | Fishy 1; You can get as much as someone wants to pay you. Send me a pm. I'll take it  Usually go for about $25 and up! JIM | ||
| tilky |
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| muskyme |
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Posts: 324 Location: Bloomington, Illinois | |||
| Trollindad |
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| Renaldo |
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| There is a difference in the lures. Holding the hooks against the body of the lure, shake an original Bucher DR. Do the same with a ROI, and you'll notice the difference. The new DRs sound much quieter. Either the size of the rattling chamber was reduced, allowing for less rattle movement, or the rattles themselves are different. The old ones always outproduce the new. | |||
| Big Perc |
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| Slamr |
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Posts: 7077 Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | |||
| Pete Stoltman |
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| Big Perc |
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| Okay...so I just recently came into a brand new custom depthraider from Rollie and Helen's pictured above, a Pre-ROI depthraider also pictured above and then another one that is even older than the one picutred above...at the request of the individual who traded me the oldest depthraider I have ever seen or had my hands on, I did a test...I took the hooks off of all of the lures and shook them side by side to compare the rattles, then weight off hand and then hardness of the plastic. The brand new ROI custom colored depthraider from R&H is a very high pitched rattle. Biting the lips to see how hard the plastic was revealed a softer plastic compared to the other two. It also seemed lighter in weight. The hooks were also extremely undersized. The pre ROI depthraider in the classic pikie color seemed to have a deeper sounding rattle a little heavy than the R&H depthraider. Biting the lip on this one proved to be harder than the first one. The hooks though are still smaller than the other one. The oldest depthraider I have ever seen has the lowest and most beautiful sounding rattle. The lip is rock hard. It actually hurt my teeth trying to bite the lip on it. And the hooks are perfectly sized. They actually are wider that the bait. This one is also heavier than the other two. Just some simple modifications that I noticed from 3 depthraider stretchiung across the better part of probably 10 years of production. I don't mean to awaken a sleeping giant, I just thought I would share my findings. Big Perc Edited by Big Perc 2/22/2007 7:37 AM Attachments ---------------- old vs new DRs.jpg (66KB - 425 downloads) | |||
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