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| Minn record has no "value" associated with it if you define "value" as money. It has more "value" to the lake as a big female with awesome genetic make-up as a spawner and reproducer than to the wallet. Value to a guide as far as future bookings, yes. To the angler out there, no value other than maybe a few lures and a hat, and that even depends on the lure manufacturer. You might get a retailer to buy the mount, but what's the point then? Ranger isn't going to be calling offering a new boat when the Minn record falls.
Even the world record is not going to bring any financial windfalls to you. One might be able to leverage it and make a few bucks off the winter shows and things like that, but it's not going to make anyone a millionaire. No offense, but if someone is looking to make money, they have a better shot by going out and try to find bigfoot out in the woods instead.
If you were saying value as in helping to promote muskie fishing in Minn, it's already well estasblished. Take the Gull Lake stocking proposal, there is support and opposition, but one fish wouldn't make a difference.
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Location: Apollo, PA | World Record, heck, i just looked at that fish the guy caught in Nippissing and I don't really know if I COULD release such a monster. I agree with Mike, that the longer you measured and took photos, it would probably end up killing such a giant. You would have to make a pretty quick decision or it would be made for you. The older i get, the more i don't want to kill anything. I just don't know, truthfully, i would love to have the opportunity to see what i would do.
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Location: Northern Wisconsin | if i killed it i would regret it every time i see a picture of it online, a pic in a magazine, and every
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| A world record muskie would be at least 17 yrs old,,,its had 11 yrs minnimun worth of spawning seasons and thousands of eggs to spread its gene pool,,I would ask the Minn DNR if THEY would like to see a World record produced in their waters and what a nice compliment it would be to a program that isnt that old,,,Currently Minnesota devotes about 2% of its fishereies budget to muskies with the recent poll figure at 7% muskie anglers that fish has SIGNIFICANT cash value right in the DNR when asking for a bigger slice of the pie |
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| Yubba Clubba. I would beat that fat chick. Reality is I have a better cahnce of winning the Powerball.
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Location: Elkhart, IN | You've got to admit. It would be fun to take some pics and put her back, claim you released the world record. Then just sit back and watch everyone go crazy calling you a liar. 
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| Boro - 10/11/2006 7:01 PM
You've got to admit. It would be fun to take some pics and put her back, claim you released the world record. Then just sit back and watch everyone go crazy calling you a liar.
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| It would be more fun to just post the pictures and call it "big" |
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Kind of like darned if you do, darned if you don't...
If somebody keeps a musky of that size, somebody won't like that. If somebody wants to record a musky of very special proportions, somebody won't like that either.
That somebody does in fact have a right to their opinion, but I don't think their opinion should ever be any basis to judge such a special event like what happened on Mille Lacs recently.
If there is anybody more concerned about live release, that Mille Lacs guide is right up there.
However, I can only speculate and imagine as I haven't been to that level of the promise land before, but encounting a musky of that size would kind of put me into an emotional state I have never been in before.
Kind of stuck on "Oh My God", playing like a broken record, over and over and over. Kind of like, "I can't breath, I don't feel my knees, my heart is outside of my mouth"....
Certainly, things would be vastly different with such a super fish like this.
Imagine how many of us would want to catch a musky that cannot fit into a Ranger 621VS livewell? Where do I sign up?
With water temperatures in the low 50's on MilleLacs, extended time in the net and a cramped livewell isn't going to be as dangerous a deal if we are talking mid-July.
I think that MilleLacs guide certainly understood this, even while brain stuck on "Oh My God"...
Knowing that Mille Lacs guide, they checked out the release area during the following days after release and with the wind being consistent the days after as the day of the catch, no floater was seen.
I think this person had his cake and ate it too...
That fish has a very high likelyhood of still being out there swimming because of the high level of skill that Mille Lacs musky guide has and any reference to this example as being equal to a lessor experienced person is purely envy and an un-necessary insult.
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Location: MN | I have to put my comment in here on this one as I am the one that caught the fish, fought the fish, landed the fish, and released the fish on Mille Lacs last Friday, best known now as "client" by my friends. It has been quite interesting viewing all the comments on the net about the fish I caught and have kept quiet on the subject mainly due to how the muskie fishing fraternity is, but this topic interests me greatly after going through this.
What is hard for even myself to grasp is the magnitude of this fish. I am still shocked. As DDFenner said, you are shaking and a lot of things are going through your head. It is not just as simple as people here say. I know I will most likely get some heat on this, but you cannot say what you would do in these cases until you get in it. Everyone day dreams about getting a fish like this, but know that the reality of actually catching it is another issue. Am I happy that when Jonesi asked me what I wanted to do with the fish that I said I was going to release her? Absolutely!!! It was my option and I personally believe strongly in catch and release and would not have it any other way. That is my belief for all muskies I have caught and walleyes as well. Are there people harassing me about how the fish was handled? Of course. But Steve and I wanted to know what the weight of the fish was. Sorry to the ones that don't agree with me on some of the things that we did, but in the heat of the moment, things happen. I can also proudly say that the three of us took such good care of the pig, that when I put her in the water, she never even tipped. She had some difficulty getting out of 12" of water, and Steve worked with her to get her into deeper water. And yes, we checked the shoreline the next moring as she would have been in a limited area due to weather conditions and location. So everyone should be happy to know that fish is swimming happily in Mille Lacs eating cisco as we speak and getting fatter.
But the bottom line is, it is up to the person that catches the fish and people that don't agree need to back off. I can speak from a week that was as high as I could be when I caught the fish down to moments I wish I hadn't caught it due to the bs associated with it. If I could only tell the complete truth on what has happened to me since that night, I think there would be a lot of people that would be amazed with how wrong they may be, but I refuse to open up some things that would really create a frenzy online. The muskie community needs to learn that beating itself up is not helping to improve and increase this great sport that is growing and that we all love. We need to educate people on C&R and let them make the final decision, not harass. I hope people can learn to respect decisions made, good or bad.
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| Hey Jody,
Bottom line, congrats!! Don't let a few comments rain on your parade.
Those of us "in the know" are aware of the individuals involved, and the passion behind the muskies we chase, and how this fish was handled. There are no questions in my mind that she is swimming and there is not a blemish on her. Been it that boat (I was the day before you so I may have a grudge against you! ) so I know how the operation works. Thanks for taking care of her and letting her go, gives me something to shoot for!
Congrats again, "client"!
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Location: Algonquin, ILL | If there was absolutly no doubt that the Beast was a new WR, the thump would be so loud Louie Spray would hear it
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Location: Rhinelander. | I brought this up a few months ago and stated then that a new world record would be dead in a new york minute> Most of would I believe. When the figures for the dollar value are added up you'll understand why.
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| MuskyJim,congrats on the great big fish to you and Steve
Any time you deal with great big fish,underlying folks whom have never caught anything near as big have comments or opinions,you go through the highs and lows, withdrawls of why am I even doing this to myself,how humiliating
Some mistakes may be perceived by some but till they truelly experience such a thing ,they really bear no meaning what they have to say
Bottom line is its the experience of a lifetime within the excitement of the moment
Congrats to both of you
If its a true world record,better hang it,there's enough people seeing super fish and WR that I think the ghost of Louis is haunting us
What do you realistic need for a WR
Minimum 56 inches or more measured in the water no tail pinch and a girth measurement in the water in its true natural state with a minimum of 28 inches of girth which equals to Obriens fish
58 by 28 hanging and and 56 by 30 lying down if I am correct so to put in perspective I would suspect the fish was 56 by 28 if measured in its true natural state and enviroment
Should be just about the minimum requirements to bust 60 pounds but then again only way to verify it is to hang it
Best be safe if you have a true 30 inch girth
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| Who ever said anything bad about this fish?
BTW: Beautiful fish!
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Location: Southeast Wisconsin | For sure if it was a state record I would release it. Probably wouldnt cross my mind that it might be a record till she was swimming away
Now, when I catch one with a tail the size of a grown mans leg, the louiville is coming out!
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| MuskyJim
Don't apologize for anything, you don't need to!!
Jonesi spoke to our club the other night and told the whole story -- Nobody who has heard the story from anyone who was there could possibly doubt your concern for the fish. The fact that you were in the water with it trying to release it is a testament to that.
It's unfortunate that you would let ANYTHING take away from that experience, especially the comments from some faceless knucklehead on the internet!
If you wished for a minute that this fish hadn't happened to you because of the "bs" it speaks poorly, VERY POORLY about the impression we are giving off as anglers when we can't simply congratulate a fellow musky fisherman for the catch of a lifetime without criticizing the way the fish was handled, especially when it was released healthy.
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Location: Fonda IA | I've never caught one even close to size.
I've never seen one alive close to this size
It would all be up to moment if I did ever get one to this size.
I'll never bash ANYONE keeping a fish this size as it would be a true once in a lifetime event.
An a fresh record, would finally end all the ???????????? about who's really caught the record fish.
I could easily release a big fish but a truely HUGE fish.I mean HUGE............................BONK!!!!!
The real question is could you live with yourself if you ever lost a WR fish about the time you gonna to
net her.??????????????????????????????????????????????Dennis Blume |
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| I think we have been over this about 1000 times by now. Some would kill it, some wouldnt. Bottom line, it doesnt matter.
I wont know what I would do until I actually catch the fish...
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Location: Oregon | I would keep the fish without a doubt.
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| Cowgirl,
Actually this post is right on track, you just had ANSWER to your question from the only person to respond who actually was put in that situation.....just days ago.
He released it.
Again congrats to "the client" and "the guide".
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Actually, the new World Record Muskie is worth a LOT of money if the angler catching it does things right. The exclusive story, endorsements, amd general marketing/promotions $$ are a reality, plain and simple. Of course, a Guide or Pro would benefit more than the everyday angler, especially if they knew what to do with the great fortune they had encountered. As for me, a certain world record and they'll hear the 'thump' in Atlanta. After, of course, all the proper authorities see her in the water and alive yet. I figure that's about as likely to happen to me as hitting the Power Ball, and I don't ever buy lottery tickets.
I've had the good fortune to catch a few really big fish, and didn't hesitate to put them back. A world record, though.... |
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| no doubt in my mind about keeping a state or world record muskie.
Besides answering my dreams, I feel it would help muskie fishing. Hopefully the length limits have been established to protect the growth of muskies to obtain a maxium growth before dying of natural death. Thus, keeping a world or state record should merely help in setting
higher length limits.
I think any state's dnr or conservation department would like new state records as it would help support their programs and efforts.
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| sworell, I have to disagree with you that a world record would be worth A LOT of money. I'm sure you could get some money out of it but not alot IMO. Who is going to give you the money? What does Musky Hunter pay for an exclusive article? I don't know but I would bet a couple thousand TOPS! Most lure makers don't have enough descretionary funds to pay anything more than a very small amount and even the larger tackle companies probably wouldn't be as interested as you might think.
You could probably make some money by taking the mount to shows and maybe a little more by liscencing replicas of the mount but both of these I would think would be very small amounts.
I wish anybody luck who does catch the WR to make some money off of it but I don't think it will make them financially independent. Plus we all know it will be caught by a 5 year old girl on a dock with a cane pole and a worm! |
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Location: MPLS, MN | I'd let it go. Don't really care what the rest of you do but I have money and I care less if anybody knows me. |
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| If it was caught on your own lure, or you entered into some sort of partnership with whose-ever lure it was (I know that's not a word) I could see some money out of that. Sure would be good for the guide/resort business if you were into that. Sponsorships? Maybe, not exactly money paid to you, but free stuff is stuff you don't have to buy.
I guess there would be some money to he had at shows and seminars -- who wouldn't want to have the world record holder speak at their club? Multiply that by how many muskies inc chapters and other clubs?
I don't think we'd be talking millions or anything, but $40,000 when it was all over doesn't sound unreasonable.
State record probably not so much, but world record? I'd definitely write a book, and a lot of people would buy it. |
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | Well- I've previously said I'd thump her so hard they'd hear it in Hayward. However, on this September's Canadian Flyin I bought a Conservation License. After we were on the lake I kept thinking what if I stick this pig & she dies on me? It would be serious waste to just leave her for the gulls, crayfish, turtles, bears, or just plain rot. (yeah I know it wouldn't be a total waste, they'd get full belly's.). My next license will not be conservation. However, I guess I'll only know if & when she's in the Beckman.
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