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Location: Mpls, MN | Hey I'm a novice! I resemble that remark...ask Troyz,Treats,HappyHooker,Fishpoop, Komer, etc... Hell who can blow 8 fish in a week and only get one in the boat! ME!
I read Hooks post right before I was thinking about going out but I didn't get home until later. Glad I didn't go.
Good thing about the novices, they don't see as many fish let alone find them, like me. Oh well I can go caught some smallies and scout out some other shore options on a few other lakes. |
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Leech and Winnie will be as hot as anything else up here in the shallows and on the surface.
If the water is 80 for an extended period of time, which it has been, then I take more precautions or just don't fish.
That's just my opinion, and others may not agree with that.
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Location: Pewaukee, Wisconsin | Just a thought - get real.
"If Cady and Hulbert pulled off the water something must REALLY be wrong"
Do you really think Mike Hulbert drove all the way up by Cady to not fish.
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| Forecast is 90+ till sunday, planned a trip to the big pond with HH, I'm out, of to go tubing and building brownie point with family, I'm just worried my beer might get to warm before I can finish it.
To Hot to fish, to cold at home
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Location: Maple Grove, MN | I hear what you're all saying. With 85 degree water temps like Treats mentioned, the water is just to hot. My main thought was about the novice fishermen who probably kill a lot more fish than the more experienced fisherman do.
So, I'm going to stay off the metro waters until the water temps cool down too. After all, we can fish to ice-up.
But I am curious at what temp is it OK to go back out. Are mid-70s good?
Good luck all when the water cools down.
Edited by Herb_b 7/15/2005 1:13 PM
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Location: Pewaukee, Wisconsin | Herb,
Mid 70's is prime for major muskie action.
Mishandled fish is the biggest problem, too many pictures, net and fish comes in the boat to be worked on, etc. I see it on our metro lakes all the time. Not to mention dropped fish while taking pictures.
Water released fish is best, fight the fish quick and unhook it or cut the hooks at boat side.
If a picture is needed(upper 40's), use the 10 second rule. One quick pic and put her back.
I agree 80 degrees is too hot and 85 is out of hand, its killing me to not fish.
Water temps went back up 2 days ago(79 - 80 degrees), I have not been out since.
Not too often we pray for a cold front, but we could use one now.
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Location: Maple Grove, MN | Yeah, I always keep the fish in the water and only take it out for a few seconds for a quick picture no matter what the temps. I fight them quick too and know how to handle a fish with some energy left in her.
We have the release process down to a routine and usually have the fish hooked, caught, and released within a couple minutes and only out of the water for ten seconds or so if we do take a picture. Then the fish is released healthy and we're right back to fishing. 
Fishing is fun, but not if it becomes to risky for the fish. |
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Location: Mendota Heights, MN | You guys sure you are not all PETA members??
Just kidding, i'll be taking the week off as well to let things cool down.
Steve
Edited by Phoenix 7/15/2005 5:41 PM
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Location: Mendota Heights, MN | Not to take anything away from the "theory" that the fish died due to heat/fishing related stress but..... Having fished the metro lakes I have of late witnessed many large fish sunning themselves(or doing something) in 1 foot of water. They are coming in very shallow because they choose to, even though it's hot. Now, most all the metro lake that these fish have been found dead on get a great deal of recreational traffic, ie. jet skies. I submit to you that some or most or all of these fish may have been killed by jet skies, water skiers, etc.
If the fish really wanted cool water they could suspend deep. On WB even though surface temps are in the 80's, 10 feet down it is considerably cooler. However, it would be interesting to know the ppm of oxygen in various areas of the lake, and at different depths. Anybody out there able to do this? THe DNR could, and should, if large fish like these are dying.
I have not heard or seen any reports, rumors or otherwise, stating that people have been catching large #s of 50" fish on metro lakes. Do any of you know otherwise?
It seems to me that it is speculation to say that these fish died as a result of being mishandled by fisherman.
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Location: Hugo, MN |
Steamy Water Temps from Northern MN. Was up there all last week.
Bemidji - 77-81.5
Plantagenet - 79-81.5
Mantrap - 78-83 |
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| Just out today sat,,,,the lake thats nearest my house is nokomis a tiger lake,,,I went there to do the "smart" thing???? I went swimming with the dog,,,
the east shore is littered with dead suckers I could walk up to a couple of live suckers in the shallows reach down and pick them up like turtles in a pet store,,I turned them around and gave them a push out to deepwater hopefully they will make it
no suckers are not muskies but they are part of the system and are a clue has to whats happening in it,,,
If your looking for something to do or want to see something intresting take a drive over to lake Nokomis in MPL's and walk the east shorline especialy the strech between the point and little beach,,walk the dog or jump in and take a swim while your there,,,I wish I was technical enough to download pictures on the internet maybe someone reading who knows how can go over and take a few and post,,Phoenix no disrespect at all but you might change your view if you stop by
if you do fish in the metro I would try to avoid the "darker" tint waters they are hot tubs right now |
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Location: Mpls, MN | Read Hooks post and figured I walk down since I live about 2 blocks away from it too. The pics I took were along the point about 500 feet north. In maybe 500 feet here is what is I saw. And yes it is bathwater. I took about 20 photos and could have taken more. Maybe 30 dead suckers in about 500 feet along with a dozen or so perch.
http://www.silver-fox.us/gallery/album03 |
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Location: Mendota Heights, MN | Hooker,
Non Taken. I was only offering up another hypothesis. I am not aware of any facts to prove that fisherman are killing big fish in the heat. Not saying it's not possible or even probable. Still wondering why when I was on Harriet and the water was almost 80 degrees the fish would choose to come into the shallowest, hottest part of the lake.
Why do they come lay in the sand on the North End of Mille Lacs when it get hot?
I just don't know. There is still so much about these fish that we just don't understand yet.
That's why I am advocating getting the DNR to look into it. They can affor to do the research, and havve the personel who are qualified to do it.
Guess I am just playing a bit of devils advocate. Besides, i like to blame jet skiers for anything bad that happens on the water since they piss me off so bad most of the time.
Hooker, sounds like you live near me. We should try to go out and fish sometime together; when's it's cooler.
Steve
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Muskies will be in hot, shallow water because they are comfortable in it, but that doesn't mean exhausting them in shallow warm water by playing them out is something that they can survive.
People go into sauna's, hot tubs etc., that doesn't mean because we can be in them, that we can excersise in them, or prolonged exposure can't be harmful.
You can't make the conclusion that because they are in shallow water, that catching them isn't harmfull. The two things are very different.
JS
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| You guys scared me to bass fish instead of chasing muskies......I never thout I would say this but these two Bass fought as hard as a 39 ski and released great in 83 degree water.
Actually got a nice rush from the first one when it hit a 10'' slug o.
I'll give the skis a break until the heat wave breaks and have some fun with other species.
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Location: Ogden, Ut | I ain't buying it. Surface water temperatuers are not a good indicator of when to stop fishing. Sure, they may be a reasonable guideline, but use it as a caution flag instead of stopping the race. Minimize the duration of the fight and minimize (or eliminate) the time out of the water for pictures and hook removal and the fish should be fine. Most of us are very accomplished at fish handling, we need not be scared to do so. Some of the temps in the backs of the bays were 85+ at the Goon last week - think anyone stopped fishing?
What the HeII do I know?... I live in Utah.
Sorno
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | Sorenson, it's more then surface temps. If the surface temp is 85 while 1 foot down is 75, it's not a problem. That's what the water's like when you first start seeing these temps. We've had 80+ water for a couple weeks now with a run of 10 days in the 90's with little to no wind. Under these conditions it'slike being in a smog alert for the fish. Very little O2 and high temps.
In the Goon, I doubt that the temps were that high for long and I also doubt that 2' under the serface they were very high as well.
If I get time today I'll run out to tonka and take temp readings at different depths and post them.
Edited by Muskie Treats 7/18/2005 7:26 AM
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Location: Maple Grove, MN | I took the weekend off from fishing and spent some extra time with the family. The water should cool off some by the end of the week after the cool front.
Face it, this is not good fishing weather no matter what. Staying home and resting up for when the fish do turn on may be the best thing to do.
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Location: minocqua, wi. | shifted gears to smallies yesterday and had a hoot. used the time to learn a part of a lake i didn't know before with smallie baits. good use of time, after 10:00 am. we started jumping off the boat and then a good afternoon nap and hit some golf balls before callin' er a weekend. |
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| I dont know that you can compare the goon to the MPLS metro..were talking about lakes that are clustered around one of the biggest population centers in the midwest,,the goon is a remote Canadian lake it dosent see 1% of the pressure the metro does ,,Hooking mortality in heat is a bigger issue here because of so many people fishing and some of our lakes are 200 acres where the goon is thousands of acres where theres probbably at least some current however slight flowing through it |
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Location: Ogden, Ut | hooker - you really can't compare the two; but that was really my point. Sure, you may have some lakes that are going to experience stressful conditions, but there's many others that are probably just fine to fish. I just didn't want anyone to think that because surface water temps got above 80 that we should all start evangelizing the virtues of 'see and release' fishing. Many people out there think that muskie anglers are a bit too militant about letting others know what's 'right' already.
Some of you have stopped fishing these lakes - I can admire that. But the filp side of that issue is that now the best and most qualified fish handlers are no longer there and the people who routinely mishandle fish are the only ones left on the water. Some just need some education, others don't care. Sometimes it's nice to live at 4900 feet elevation... 
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Location: Mendota Heights, MN | I will repeat my posted question here; How hot is to hot? What guideline is being suggested or implied here that us concientious fishers can follow? Or isn't there one?
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| Phoenix -
80 seems to be the temp when most start staying off the water. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I looked this over, and found that there is a very limited amount of informaton about warm water and Muskies. Trent U. (a VERY complete muskie rerference material source) has some material, but one article I read actually states there is a lack of study on the subject.
I asked two biologists (one weighed in here already, so that's three) and all said water release, fight the fish only as long as necessary, and fishing in temps in the 80's isn't too awful. 20% to 30% are going to die no matter what the water temps according to a couple articles I read about angling mortality and muskies. What it comes down to is no one has come up with a 'do not fish muskies' temp limit that I can find. I'm sure there are so many variables that a chart would be near impossible to come up with.
When the water warms, one MIGHT be seeing more fatalities because the fish gas up faster in warmer water before the denizens of the bottom get them, and float. IMHO Once the temps hit 90's, the fish are pretty negative and seek out the coolest portion of the water column anyway, and get REAL tough to catch. |
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| So..........we have had water temps over 80 on a 400 acre lake since the second week of June. The air temps have very consistantly been 85-95 and overnight lows in the 70's. The thermocline has set up at 19-21 feet. Are biologists are saying that I am ok to fish? I will, I don't have a problem with it so long as science says it is ok. |
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Location: Greenfield, WI | I was on Crescent Lake in Oneida County this last weekend. Water temperatures were 79-83 depending upon the time of day.
We saw nothing in shallow (less than 14'), and the sonar screen was full between 20' & 24'. |
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | I just ran over to tonka for 1 hour today.
Surface temps from 78-80 degrees. That's a 5 degree drop in 2 days. We've also had 2 days of winds gusting from 25-40 mph mixing things up. I think that would be enough to feel ok about the quality of releases again.
I also found a dead ski in the 45" range that looked to be dead for 4-7 days (pretty well gone). That's the 3rd I've seen this year. In comparison, I've seen 3 floating over the last 2 years combined. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I'll be talking to two leading muskie biologists on Tuesday, both who manage or did manage warm water muskie populations. I'll let you know what they have to say.
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| I assume the North Metro chapter of Muskies Inc. has cancelled tonights scheduled outing on Lake Independence. I mean the water temps have to be well over 80 in that sewer. Since most of the metro guys in Muskies Inc. aren't fishing I would assume they would cancel the event? |
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| Not sure about that...
However, I was camping on Indy this weekend and tubing and swimming in the 88 degree water temp, no fishing - just family time,and that temp was on Saturday, Sunday it probably went up more since the air temp was 97 that day. Hopefully its cooling down from there, it wasn't even refreshing to jump into, not to mention the algae & Crap floating, yuck. |
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