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| On Saturday, the Larry Smith Show was about jigging for King salmon off the Milwaukee harbor. He had Live Scope and it showed the kings on the bottom and his bait bouncing between them. They certainly didn't hit it every time through but it gave them confidence to keep fishing the area and be patient. They caught six kings in a relatively small area.
I was fishing Sunday and in an area where I have caught fish and moved a lot more, I glanced down and saw what appeared to be two good sized musky on my Mega SI. They managed to resist the allure of the Fat B I had thrown over their heads. Knowing there are fish in an area is a huge asset but still need to get them to eat. Couple times I have seen musky in the shallows near my dock and they just watch the bucktail go right past their nose. |
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Location: deephaven mn | It's great because it shows you exactly how far of the weed line or rock line you actually are.
It may also confirms something i've known for years, this is a goood spot and there are muskies here but the are just not responding. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Mega 360.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Now that I have a couple weeks using Humminbird mega side imaging and mega 360 imaging I'm stunned how much more efficient we are out there. We watched a musky chase around our school of crappies for half an hour. It did react to a muskie crankbait, but only for a couple feet. Eventually, it just swam off into the basin. We were in 18'. |
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | As an Old Fart here,... I think it makes us Lazier and puts the fragile Muskie resource in more danger than it was, say 5 years ago. and yes people are harassing deep water fish in order to feed their Ego and take half a dozen pics.
A lot of floaters on V this year.
But hay,.. Anything to make our lives better......Eh ! Not for me.
I enjoy the thrill of the hunt and figuring things out for myself. I bought my last fish finder 6 yrs ago and really don't pay much attention to it except for temp, depth and structure.
To busy enjoying Gods great outdoors and not fixed on a screen.
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Location: Chisholm, MN | Top H2O - 11/21/2021 5:50 PM
As an Old Fart here,... I think it makes us Lazier and puts the fragile Muskie resource in more danger than it was, say 5 years ago. and yes people are harassing deep water fish in order to feed their Ego and take half a dozen pics.
A lot of floaters on V this year.
But hay,.. Anything to make our lives better......Eh ! Not for me.
I enjoy the thrill of the hunt and figuring things out for myself. I bought my last fish finder 6 yrs ago and really don't pay much attention to it except for temp, depth and structure.
To busy enjoying Gods great outdoors and not fixed on a screen.
G-Rome
I have to agree, although I will be getting Mega Live this winter. I will not use it in the unethical way that most seem to be doing on V and killing many fish and getting glory shots.
The thing is, I caught 3 over 50 this year without it. And I didn't fish that much. I will admit side imaging helps me get on fish faster but it did not directly help me catch those 50 inchers this year. |
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Location: Duluth | I do think fish will adapt to the new pressure they are recieving in open and deep water. Going to be a lot of floaters along the way though |
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| Don't know much about the technology, wondering why it would lead to increased mortality? |
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Location: MN | Curious if guys have used it much for trolling to see where their baits are running at?
A buddy who has the Garmin hopped in once to help me get dive curves on my musky trolling baits, we didn't have his stable mount, just putting the pole in the water. This "setup" made it tough to find the lures and when we did they became even harder to see further than 40ft back. I've been curious if having a the actual stable mounting system, etc. would allow someone to see their baits. |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | North of 8 - 11/22/2021 12:01 PM
Don't know much about the technology, wondering why it would lead to increased mortality?
Pulling fish from 20-40 feet of water in hot water. Normally these fish were untouched until they came up shallow in July, if at all. Now people with no actual fishing skill can hover over a fish harassing it for hours until it bites. Like said above, there was an abnormally large amount of dead fish in June and July this year. This was a direct result of this type of fishing. |
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| Kirby Budrow - 11/22/2021 1:35 PM
North of 8 - 11/22/2021 12:01 PM
Don't know much about the technology, wondering why it would lead to increased mortality?
Pulling fish from 20-40 feet of water in hot water. Normally these fish were untouched until they came up shallow in July, if at all. Now people with no actual fishing skill can hover over a fish harassing it for hours until it bites. Like said above, there was an abnormally large amount of dead fish in June and July this year. This was a direct result of this type of fishing.
Thank you for the response. |
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| Mak51 - 11/22/2021 12:48 PM
Curious if guys have used it much for trolling to see where their baits are running at?
A buddy who has the Garmin hopped in once to help me get dive curves on my musky trolling baits, we didn't have his stable mount, just putting the pole in the water. This "setup" made it tough to find the lures and when we did they became even harder to see further than 40ft back. I've been curious if having a the actual stable mounting system, etc. would allow someone to see their baits.
One of the guys in our chapter says that he can see his baits, as well as fish that are following them, with his Garmin. I don't know anything about what baits he's using, or how far back he is trolling. Very good stick, and not one to embellish or B.S. |
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Location: new richmond, wi. & isle, mn | The new MN state record was caught and died last night. What I hear is they're live scopers. Drive around till they find an active fish up off the bottom. I've heard from reliable sources, some days in the cold they drive around and don't even cast. |
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| Kirby Budrow - 11/22/2021 8:46 AM
I have to agree, although I will be getting Mega Live this winter. I will not use it I have to agree, although I will be getting Mega Live this winter. I will not use it in the unethical way that most seem to be doing on V and killing many fish and getting glory shots.
"use it in the unethical"
Not sure what you mean with this comment.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | MN Muskie Expo Facebook:
Nolan Sprengeler is in Mille Lacs Lake.
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The rumors are true! On November 22nd I set out on the last trip of my season with Kevin Kray and Zack Skoglund to chase the queen. At about 9pm I felt that tap on my Thorne Bros 9’6” XXH I’ve been searching for all fall. After a quick battle and a few ridiculous head shakes we had it in the bag. I didn’t realize how giant this fish was until I pulled it out of the net and immediately called Kevin over to assist with the buddy pictures. It measured an incredible 57.75” in length with a 29” girth. The next hour or so was spent trying to get her to release. Eventually we realized this was not going to happen and made the decision to bring it to a certified scale and crush the Minnesota State Record. She weighed 55 lbs and 14.8 oz. Huge shout out to Austin Tausk and Kyle Dorr for helping me find a place to get her weighed and helping with that process. Also Randy at the UPS Store was the man for being so cool about weighing it for us. I’m so incredibly blessed to be apart of this journey with my best friends.
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Location: MN | Mak51 - 11/22/2021 12:48 PM
Curious if guys have used it much for trolling to see where their baits are running at?
A buddy who has the Garmin hopped in once to help me get dive curves on my musky trolling baits, we didn't have his stable mount, just putting the pole in the water. This "setup" made it tough to find the lures and when we did they became even harder to see further than 40ft back. I've been curious if having a the actual stable mounting system, etc. would allow someone to see their baits.
Yes, you can see your baits. I usually use it to see/adjust running depth and then either turn it off or face it forward and scan left/right. I have left it on the baits some, but have yet to see a follow that way. |
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Location: 31 | Unquestionably there would be an advantage trolling with a state of the art scope system too ~ literally watching your lures, knowing the precise depth, instant they are fouled, or which ones are being followed would increase efficiency exponentially.
Though not as relevant for targeting individual fish casting, we have been targeting individual fish with our side scan while trolling almost since its inception. Once we figured out what to look for, it absolutely changed the game ~ more times than I can count we have enticed fish to bite, or left an area because there were simply no numbers present.
Regarding the new Minnesota record ~ congratulations to the anglers!
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Landry - 9/13/2021 10:49 PM
I can see a few old timers here are getting way too paranoid.
People said the same thing when those dam “ fish finders”came out years ago.
This 'old guy' embraces the new tech. Been cool as can be for me. |
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Location: Walker, MN | Kirby Budrow - 11/22/2021 1:35 PM
North of 8 - 11/22/2021 12:01 PM
Don't know much about the technology, wondering why it would lead to increased mortality?
Pulling fish from 20-40 feet of water in hot water. Normally these fish were untouched until they came up shallow in July, if at all. Now people with no actual fishing skill can hover over a fish harassing it for hours until it bites. Like said above, there was an abnormally large amount of dead fish in June and July this year. This was a direct result of this type of fishing.
Don't forget that it was about the warmest June ever, surface layer was 20'+ when it's typically 10'. I'd never target fish more than 15' down, but let's hope some just got confused this year with the unusually warm water, and deeper fish. If the barotrauma doesn't get 'em, the thermal shock sure isn't good for them either.
You can see your bait and the fish you're targeting with Live, let's leave the deep ones alone! |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | Masqui-ninja - 1/4/2022 9:08 PM
Kirby Budrow - 11/22/2021 1:35 PM
North of 8 - 11/22/2021 12:01 PM
Don't know much about the technology, wondering why it would lead to increased mortality?
Pulling fish from 20-40 feet of water in hot water. Normally these fish were untouched until they came up shallow in July, if at all. Now people with no actual fishing skill can hover over a fish harassing it for hours until it bites. Like said above, there was an abnormally large amount of dead fish in June and July this year. This was a direct result of this type of fishing.
Don't forget that it was about the warmest June ever, surface layer was 20'+ when it's typically 10'. I'd never target fish more than 15' down, but let's hope some just got confused this year with the unusually warm water, and deeper fish. If the barotrauma doesn't get 'em, the thermal shock sure isn't good for them either.
You can see your bait and the fish you're targeting with Live, let's leave the deep ones alone!
Agreed that water temp was a huge factor. Unfortunately people don't have the discipline to leave those fish alone.
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Location: Chisholm, MN | sworrall - 12/28/2021 2:28 PM
Landry - 9/13/2021 10:49 PM
I can see a few old timers here are getting way too paranoid.
People said the same thing when those dam “ fish finders”came out years ago.
This 'old guy' embraces the new tech. Been cool as can be for me.
I'm 35. Am I an old timer now? |
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Location: Walker, MN | Agreed that water temp was a huge factor. Unfortunately people don't have the discipline to leave those fish alone.
I think some people are just clueless about the effects of pulling fish from deep water, end up learning the hard way. Important to try and educate.. muskie clubs, internet forum, Faceload etc.
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| My primary fishing partner installed a Garmin Live Scope unit in his boat this past summer. My rig is networked for Hummingbird so I waited for Live Imaging to roll out this past fall. So far we have been using the units in open mater during two specific seasonal time slots that correspond to cisco movements. Typically we take turns casting while the other controls the boat. We have found that the fish higher in the water column typically 12 feet or less are far more aggressive so we focus on those fish. Our experience also suggests that approximately 1 out of 15 fish shows an active interest in the bait presentation. As far as mortality this year we boated 26 muskies between the two boats with 20 being in his boat. Of those we lost one fish that inhaled a crankbait while trolling in 12' of water and was unrelated to sharpshooting. BTW - I also took my bumpboard out of the boat and now use a floating stick if I or my guest feels the need to measure.
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Location: Chisholm, MN | Well I just bit the bullet and went to the dark side with livescope. Was going to get mega live but opted for the garmin instead. I guess I’m a bit of a hypocrite but it’s a very cool technology and it can be used safely. Like Phil says, leave the deep fish alone in the summer. I just jimmy rigged up an ice set up for it but mainly looking forward to summer. |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | Top H2O - 1/9/2022 1:44 PM
Traitor :o
Yeah watch, I won’t catch a thing this year… |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Kirby Budrow - 1/10/2022 8:57 PM
Top H2O - 1/9/2022 1:44 PM
Traitor :o
Yeah watch, I won’t catch a thing this year…
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Location: Selkirk, Manitoba | Very interesting to listen to Matt Seifert discuss some of this stuff on Backlash Podcast (ep 149). Matt tells it pretty unfiltered here in regards to this technology and his worry about it. Up to now the folks that were fishing the open and deeper water bite were of the hardcore variety and already well versed and dedicated as to fish first over personal glory - challenging themselves and searching for that edge and separate themselves from spot fisherman or trolling on sort of an unfished fontier. That frontier is now front and centre. As he says, this technology is now taking all the guesswork out of finding these open water and deep basin fish - and now just working fish until they bite and being comparatively successful at it. His point about "young/new guys" being able to do this I think is probably making the point of seeking glory/personal affirmation at the expense of perhaps preserving fish by not pushing physiological boundaries to the limit - the result being the next day floaters and/or heavily pressured fish with nowhere to hide. Brad from Musky Mayhem comes in at the end and makes the point that musky folks (young or old) tend to be like Matt and really will show the same care and concern about the fishery. We all hope that is true.
In speaking to a lodge owner about this he is scared stiff about what this technology is going to do to the muskies in their area (which are of course naturally reproducing in NW Ontario and every lost fish of any size is a good spawning year lottery and decade+ to replace). Besides the temperature and oxygen situation above, keep in mind that areas with sustained current mean little to no stratification which equals potential for muskies in very deep water at all times of year. They are vulnerable to being caught and stress from barotrauma being caught at depth does affect them; even though their gut is connected to their air bladder this system is not the same as that as in the less evolved trout/char that can expel air more easily. In other words with this technology and misuse there is the possibility of serious irreparable harm (and to pike too).
I encourage folks to listen to Matt. I relate in many ways as far as musky fishing being something a bit more difficult and challenging than hunting (which comes pretty easy now). Unlike hunting where animals can't hide and the gotta eat (meaning very vulnerable if you do your homework), musky fishing had that element of randomness that was out of one's control and they had the ability to disappear and could choose not to bite. That ability to disappear is gone. We need the education to start now and some of the well know youtube guys using this tech need to get on that.
A few episodes earlier it was also interesting hearing Wegner (ep 144) talking about how if it wasn't good for business he would be showing anybody anything, he would just fish.
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| I question the comment about young guys, seeking glory, etc. Most of the young anglers I know are very much into preserving the resource. While different species, the meat hunters that want to take home a 5 gallon bucket of panfish from the chain where I live tend to be middle aged guys, who hate the 10-10-25 limit on panfish that went in place 5 years ago. There were two groups in particular that stopped fishing the lake I live on when that happened, and they had not been young in a long time. |
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Location: Selkirk, Manitoba | North of 8 - 1/31/2022 1:46 PM
I question the comment about young guys, seeking glory, etc. Most of the young anglers I know are very much into preserving the resource. While different species, the meat hunters that want to take home a 5 gallon bucket of panfish from the chain where I live tend to be middle aged guys, who hate the 10-10-25 limit on panfish that went in place 5 years ago. There were two groups in particular that stopped fishing the lake I live on when that happened, and they had not been young in a long time.
I would say my comments are a blend of what Matt was saying - and my interpretation and unscripted comments by him in his defence, and my own re. glory in my own experiences locally and the social media phenomenon (Instagram/Facebook photos more than Youtube). Young may also mean new to the chase and not necessarily age. When I use the word glory I mean the positive affirmation of others - this could just catching one musky in one's life and getting a pic, or trying to get the biggest one that year in amongst a group or whatever. It is not necessarily a bad thing and one evolves/matures in this regard over time where one develops ethical boundaries that one attempts to avoid crossing. My sense of what Matt was trying to say is there are folks using this tech that have bypassed the hard knocks stage and maybe some of the ethics are not fully matured - again, my interpretation and probably best to listen for yourself.
Brad's comment at the end that all musky fisherman tend to be a different breed and care about the fish is probably closer to the reality. It doesn't negate the fact that floaters are being found -- based on the anecdotes on Vermillion above it is clearly an issue of concern. It is changing what musky fishing is and adjustments will need to be made.
My overall point is we really do need this deep water thing to be educated as part of the show and tell in catching musky with the technology on youtube and in media in general. Nothing about it is a secret anymore as much as anyone that has it would like to believe. I only have the oldest humminbird side imaging and it is extremely useful - the gen 4 is over the top. Livescope is sharpshooting for fish...
In respect to any fish that one can keep it then becomes a regulatory issue. We have the same issue here with crappie in that this technology makes them very vulnerable.
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