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Cicciospin
Posted 3/17/2019 9:51 AM (#933316 - in reply to #933310)
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Location: ITALY
madmurph - 3/17/2019 2:32 PM

Cicciospin - 3/17/2019 5:06 AM


I don't make a problem of it ... if I judge that it is worth it I measure it, otherwise I release it immediately


Ciccio, you are blessed to have giant pike over there in Europe. I would love to be able to catch some like that. What is your biggest one?

My biggest is 51" and several over 45 "
ToddM
Posted 3/17/2019 10:37 AM (#933321 - in reply to #933116)
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Location: oswego, il
Can you be arrested by the musky police for measuring a pike?
NPike
Posted 3/17/2019 2:39 PM (#933331 - in reply to #933307)
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I done creel surveys for DEC. They request measurements of all pike, walleye, musky and bass caught for the given year. This is used to assess the status of fish in the lake for stocking - habitat considerations. So yes this year I'll likely be using the bump board on all fish caught large - small.
Fishysam
Posted 3/17/2019 9:32 PM (#933346 - in reply to #933116)
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I don't measure fish that appear under 42" or so, I also don't figure 8 small fish anymore, even in a tournament but that was an accident because of how I fish haha. I will take 38"+ around but the smalls when I get a good look only get a single turn and lift out. For me and where I have came in musky fishing it is not important, I will not judge others as long as there isn't a trail of floating small fish behind them. Not worth damaging the fish's mouth or slowing me down looking for 47"+
North of 8
Posted 3/17/2019 9:56 PM (#933347 - in reply to #933331)
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NPike - 3/17/2019 2:39 PM

I done creel surveys for DEC. They request measurements of all pike, walleye, musky and bass caught for the given year. This is used to assess the status of fish in the lake for stocking - habitat considerations. So yes this year I'll likely be using the bump board on all fish caught large - small.


Interesting point. About 10 years ago, the WI DNR did a creel survey on the chain where I now live. The tech doing the work introduced himself, explained what they were doing and asked that I log any game fish I caught and make particular note if they had a fin clip. As it happened I caught a low 30s fish opening day, with a fresh fin clip. I called the office on Monday, curious as to the gender of the fish. At first I was told that no, they had not done that fin clip. Then he looked at the notes and said, "oh yeah, we had one in that lake we could not determine gender and that was what we did". They had netted it less than 200 yards from where I caught it. I saw the tech on the weekends and when I was on vacation and he always inquired as to what I had caught. The creel survey, the fyke netting in the spring and some shocking supplied the data they used to determine the numbers and size structure of game fish in the chain.
Booch
Posted 3/18/2019 8:23 AM (#933351 - in reply to #933116)
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A few years back I had a <30" not recover. It inhaled a bulldawg 2 turns into the retrieve and I had to cut the hooks so it took a little longer than I'd like. It really bothered me (now I pinch the barb on the top hook), and shortly after I read that the younger fish are very sensitive to being handled if they recently spawned because like a teenager, they don't know how to control themselves and end up on the brink of complete exhaustion.

I'm not gonna yell at a rookie that wants to measure a small one, because I was there once, but I think most figure out pretty quick that a sub 30" fish isn't worth bragging about.


ToddM
Posted 3/18/2019 8:33 AM (#933352 - in reply to #933116)
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Location: oswego, il
So fish learn how to fight while being hooked over time?
bigbite
Posted 3/18/2019 10:33 AM (#933369 - in reply to #933351)
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Location: Pewaukee, WI
I agree completely with Booch!
Sudszee
Posted 3/18/2019 12:18 PM (#933381 - in reply to #933352)
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ToddM - 3/18/2019 8:33 AM

So fish learn how to fight while being hooked over time?


Yes. Dont you watch wicked tuna?
They say all the time , this one has been caught before and knows what to do.
ToddM
Posted 3/18/2019 12:47 PM (#933387 - in reply to #933381)
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Location: oswego, il
Sudszee - 3/18/2019 12:18 PM

ToddM - 3/18/2019 8:33 AM

So fish learn how to fight while being hooked over time?


Yes. Dont you watch wicked tuna?
They say all the time , this one has been caught before and knows what to do.


So they can learn to fight when hooked but not to eat a lure?
Booch
Posted 3/18/2019 2:13 PM (#933394 - in reply to #933116)
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No... they are exhausted from chasing the ladies.
Sudszee
Posted 3/18/2019 2:43 PM (#933396 - in reply to #933387)
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ToddM - 3/18/2019 12:47 PM

Sudszee - 3/18/2019 12:18 PM

ToddM - 3/18/2019 8:33 AM

So fish learn how to fight while being hooked over time?


Yes. Dont you watch wicked tuna?
They say all the time , this one has been caught before and knows what to do.


So they can learn to fight when hooked but not to eat a lure?


Nothing can resist a free, pretty lure
tolle141
Posted 3/18/2019 7:27 PM (#933411 - in reply to #933116)
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outside of a tournament situation, i don't think its worth it to measure sub-40 inchers. They have a talent for messing up your hands (and your day).
Fish4muskie
Posted 3/18/2019 8:54 PM (#933420 - in reply to #933116)
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Location: Illinois
I haven’t measured any of the past 2 seasons fish that came into my boat. I have taken a quick picture here and there but nothing has been over 40” or so. If I am fortunate to have a Muskie worthy of measuring hit my net this season I will.
7ovr50
Posted 3/27/2019 5:01 PM (#933933 - in reply to #933116)
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WE use a sliding "scale" to determine length in the water
!) Sub. Less than 30 or so
2) 30 something
3) good one over 40 but less than 46
4) Hawg! close to 47 or bigger
5) Might be a PB. Only ones we put on the bump board.
6) All fish are always unhooked and released while in the net in the water. Just how we communicate size. After several hundred fish size estimates are close enough. Works for us and the fish.

Edited by 7ovr50 3/27/2019 5:06 PM
djwilliams
Posted 3/29/2019 9:21 PM (#934109 - in reply to #933116)
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Location: Ames, Iowa
I put em on the gunwhale for a quick length unless they're micro minis then I just marvel at how pretty those little devils are. 20 somethings go right into the water. 30's get measured. Big girls are measured of course then go back in the net for any potential resusitation.
Sidejack
Posted 3/30/2019 9:52 AM (#934136 - in reply to #933387)
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Location: Aurora
ToddM - 3/18/2019 8:33 AM
So fish learn how to fight while being hooked over time?

Yes. Dont you watch wicked tuna?
They say all the time , this one has been caught before and knows what to do.
So they can learn to fight when hooked but not to eat a lure?

Silly Todd.. What they're talking about is conditioning.
Once hooked, the fight to the boat is like a workout of sorts. Remember, the brain is a muscle too and fish are much more capable of increasing muscle mass and endurance over short periods of time than humans are. The concept is hard to grasp but within just a few seconds they're in much better physical shape than they were prior to getting hooked and in turn, their brain is also. Think.. Moose Mason from the Archie Comics smart, not math problem solving smart..


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ToddM
Posted 3/31/2019 12:04 PM (#934208 - in reply to #933116)
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Location: oswego, il
Interesting, easily conditioned to fight capture, just not avoid it.
esoxaddict
Posted 3/31/2019 1:18 PM (#934213 - in reply to #934208)
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If muskies were as smart as we give them credit for they'd be walking on land by now...
c44hmusky
Posted 4/1/2019 7:17 PM (#934354 - in reply to #933116)
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Location: Plover, WI
I don't even bother setting the hook on any fish that doesn't feel mid 40's...
esoxaddict
Posted 4/1/2019 8:04 PM (#934360 - in reply to #934354)
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c44hmusky - 4/1/2019 7:17 PM

I don't even bother setting the hook on any fish that doesn't feel mid 40's...


I call bull#*#*
jchiggins
Posted 4/1/2019 8:20 PM (#934363 - in reply to #934360)
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Location: new richmond, wi. & isle, mn
esoxaddict - 4/1/2019 8:04 PM

c44hmusky - 4/1/2019 7:17 PM

I don't even bother setting the hook on any fish that doesn't feel mid 40's...


I call bull#*#*
Get the net! He's got a good one on!
Fishysam
Posted 4/2/2019 9:04 AM (#934396 - in reply to #933116)
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Haha
BNelson
Posted 4/2/2019 9:33 AM (#934398 - in reply to #933116)
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Location: Contrarian Island
as others have pointed out, the smaller ones are a lot easier to handle and less likely to get hurt in the measuring process than big ones.. I've witnessed far too many clue babies mishandling fish, dropping fish, and taking extended photo sessions of large ones than small ones... if a guy wants to measure it for whatever reason, it won't hurt the fish... by all means to each their own....

Edited by BNelson 4/2/2019 9:35 AM
jaultman
Posted 4/2/2019 2:55 PM (#934415 - in reply to #934354)
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c44hmusky - 4/1/2019 7:17 PM

I don't even bother setting the hook on any fish that doesn't feel mid 40's...

I can't believe you fish on water with fish that small! Have you no shame?
OH Musky
Posted 4/2/2019 5:31 PM (#934426 - in reply to #933116)
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Location: SW Ohio
Wow, with all the things we have to squabble about we pick whether someone should measure a "small" fish. LOL. Got a license? Measure your fish if you want. I'll take your picture if you need me to.
ToddM
Posted 4/2/2019 7:10 PM (#934438 - in reply to #933116)
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Location: oswego, il
I tend to keep a fish out of the water longer than most. I prefer an oil painting.
esoxaddict
Posted 4/2/2019 7:17 PM (#934439 - in reply to #934438)
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If I catch one under 30", I just clobber the SOB and eat it raw. Saves me the trouble of having to stop for lunch and as a bonus their P-poor genes are removed from the gene pool.

madmurph
Posted 4/3/2019 7:00 AM (#934452 - in reply to #933116)
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Many comments about having the right to do what one chooses, not criticizing others for their choices, etc. So please, nobody judge me when I fish in 85 degree water temps this summer and post photos of fish from said water while holding them vertically.

Edited by madmurph 4/3/2019 7:17 AM
Pointerpride102
Posted 4/3/2019 8:02 AM (#934463 - in reply to #933116)
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Location: The desert
I only measure fish if the relative humidity is high enough. The higher moisture content of the air allows them to breathe out of water for a little bit.
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