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Location: St. Lawrence River | Ive trolled enough in my brothers boat that has Scottys, and I will say two things:
#1- What an absolute pain to get a loaded rod out of the thing.. have seen several fish come off while struggling to remove a rod.
#2- I would not dream of soaking a rod without a leash..
To the OP: I run saltys off of traxstech bases with custom mount plates that I made myself at work..... I will try to post a picture, they are rock solid.
In my opinion, a DE Salty on a Fat AZ base is gonna be your best bet for a muskellunge trolling rod holder setup, by a land slide..
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Location: St. Lawrence River | Pat Hoolihan - 9/3/2018 6:33 PM
Lizmorea - 9/3/2018 5:22 PM
Why all the negative comments about down east holders?
I love mine, and most serious trollers I know use them.
Not starting a fight, just curious.
Use them long enough and they will break. They also eat up cork handles.
you are not seating your rod in the holder properly, then. I hope your leashed lol.. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | that rod leash has got to be one of the silliest things i've ever seen ... |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | Jerry Newman - 9/8/2018 8:26 AM
The same guys always seem to rush to bash the down East rod holders… Sled even said he doesn't troll for muskie but still bashes them? Maybe I should do a video removing and returning a large board rod from a DE only using one hand in about 10 seconds for Todd? They also do not “chew up” cork handles when the rod is properly seated (don’t even come in contact with the cork). Frankly, there is a learning curve with the DE but once you get yourself dialed in on the proper way to use them, they are the easiest to use and become a real asset for muskie trolling.
I have a strong preference for rod triggers and they fit in the DE with no problem. This is kind of next level stuff, but some rods have wide triggers and although it's not necessary, my preference is to narrow them down some with a file so they slide up into the DE in a locked position. Either way, you can always wind in while the rod is still in the holder… it's just a little easier with the triggers locked because the reel does not move. You can actually wind in 2 board rods at a time this way with the rods still in the holder… kind of a handy deal when you have a big fish on and need to clear the boards on that side quickly.
If you're running 9-12 rods, the rod trees are certainly hard to beat. We run 6 rods 90% of the time and been running this latest setup this summer for almost 400 hours so far… and it's 100% rock solid. The rail mounted Fat AZ with the DE is absolutely the best setup that I have used for 6 rod muskie trolling, and therefore can wholeheartedly recommend it… same with the 700 Tekotas versus the 600 series.
Kings, Coho's, Rainbows and Browns ...
down-easters are a nuisance, a potential disaster and a pita. i believe that's why you use a rod leash? LOL ... you're a dandy jerry. |
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Location: oswego, il | Hard to get a rod out of a Scotty? Helen Keller could get a rod out of a Scotty, no leash unless you are afraid Helen will walk off the side.... |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | Rod Leashes ... LOL |
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| Todd,
I have the caebla's scotty knock off. I am pretty sure they are the same.
I wanted to troll, didn't have my rod so I stuck my casting rod in there, but it woudln't fit with the trigger.
Maybe they are different a bit? |
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Location: The desert | I put a shock collar on mine. Like the more wireless approach. |
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Location: St. Lawrence River | ToddM - 9/10/2018 3:59 PM
Hard to get a rod out of a Scotty? Helen Keller could get a rod out of a Scotty, no leash unless you are afraid Helen will walk off the side....
I wouldn’t use a leash if I was chasing 35” Illinois/wisco fish, either. But it just so happens we are not lol ..
And it’s 100% easier to just pull a rod out of a salty.. my brother lost a big one Sunday morning trying to fiddle f**k a rod out of that stupid Scotty.
If my GF can pull a rod out of a salty at 4mph with a DK or a hosebait plowing along, it oughta be easy for anyone..
All in good fun. Use whatever you want. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | why not just have a rod holder that can hold it? |
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Location: oswego, il | Hey those 35" fibskies are trophies! I wonder if that wireless fence would work. |
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | Scotty orca rod holders and the cabelas scotty holders are not the same. Orcas are similar to the Folbe holders. It seems like there is some confusion about this. I would never run a scotty powerlok (cabelas), but would consider Orcas. |
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| supertrollr - 9/10/2018 12:54 PM
Pat Hoolihan - 9/3/2018 5:33 PM
Lizmorea - 9/3/2018 5:22 PM
Why all the negative comments about down east holders?
I love mine, and most serious trollers I know use them.
Not starting a fight, just curious.
Use them long enough and they will break. They also eat up cork handles. total bs! i have 2 rods that have been used more than 15 years in the salty and there is not a single sing of destruction. now if some guys are using bad salty seat that's another story. you blame the wrong thing !
All I'm saying is I've seen them fail and continue to see them fail. You won't change my opinion and them and I'm not trying to change yours but I will never own a DE rod holder again. |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | I've used DE's over 30 years without failure. Mine are on plates that fit in my Bert's tracks I use Bert's tubes for big and inline boards and have a few Scotty's on plates as spares they are scary to watch but never seen one fail on my or any friends boat. Hoser has a Scotty on the transom pointed straight down with an 8 foot rod pulling a double 10 on 12 feet of line scares the hell out of me but its taken big Georgian Bay fish.
You won't convince a Ford owner that a Chev is better. |
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Location: oswego, il | Put fish up to 51"(I netted it) with my Scottys in cold weather too. Snagged up, never doubted them. |
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| Have used DE's since 1994, fishing out of 3 different boats and boated between 800 and 1,000 muskies. The DE's can get fatigued but I have only seen one break. I do get some handle rash, not really a big deal just cover the cork with epoxy.
These rod holders are very easy to use, its all about geometry. Move the rod tip towards the front of the boat which takes the load off the DE and they lift out easily, even with big fish. Have used tubes, they seem awkward because you are generally removing the rod from the tube one handed and it seems like a big fish could rip the rod from your hand at that critical moment. Anyway, just my 2 cents.
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Location: St. Lawrence River | RyanJoz - 9/12/2018 9:52 AM
Scotty orca rod holders and the cabelas scotty holders are not the same. Orcas are similar to the Folbe holders. It seems like there is some confusion about this. I would never run a scotty powerlok (cabelas), but would consider Orcas.
I think this is where we are so far apart on the Scottys, Todd.. I think my brother's boat sports the Scotty "powerlok," which is what I have used. Not the Orca. They do not operate like a Folbe.. They have taken fish up to 56'' for us, though. But are a super pain. |
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| JakeStCroixSkis - 9/12/2018 2:55 PM
RyanJoz - 9/12/2018 9:52 AM
Scotty orca rod holders and the cabelas scotty holders are not the same. Orcas are similar to the Folbe holders. It seems like there is some confusion about this. I would never run a scotty powerlok (cabelas), but would consider Orcas.
I think this is where we are so far apart on the Scottys, Todd.. I think my brother's boat sports the Scotty "powerlok," which is what I have used. Not the Orca. They do not operate like a Folbe.. They have taken fish up to 56'' for us, though. But are a super pain.
What is so hard about opening the scotty powerblock and pulling the rod out?
Also, why say your de's are the best when you feel the need to have ugly dog leashes on them? |
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Location: St. Lawrence River | Muskie Gal - 9/15/2018 6:24 PM
JakeStCroixSkis - 9/12/2018 2:55 PM
RyanJoz - 9/12/2018 9:52 AM
Scotty orca rod holders and the cabelas scotty holders are not the same. Orcas are similar to the Folbe holders. It seems like there is some confusion about this. I would never run a scotty powerlok (cabelas), but would consider Orcas.
I think this is where we are so far apart on the Scottys, Todd.. I think my brother's boat sports the Scotty "powerlok," which is what I have used. Not the Orca. They do not operate like a Folbe.. They have taken fish up to 56'' for us, though. But are a super pain.
What is so hard about opening the scotty powerblock and pulling the rod out?
Also, why say your de's are the best when you feel the need to have ugly dog leashes on them?
Because anything can break? I think it’s pretty obvious why someone would use a leash. Because ones wishes to prevent a rod/reel/bait from going into the drink. Is that not obvious?
I find it so funny musky fishermen are very detail oriented, anal even about all of our gear and equipment... making sure we limit equipment failure.. But many of you would scoff at someone for attempting to protect a $600 rod/reel/bait.. why even use leaders? Just tie your bait right to your main line, don’t be scared! Why use that 80-100lb braid? 30lb will do! Why bring a net? Just grab the #*^@ thing you don’t need no stinking net! Smh... |
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Location: Tennessee | I run both. I prefer the Folbes for ease of use but DE works well too. I only use the DE for side rods though, never propwash. Propwash goes to the Folbe 100% of the time. But my experience with both says that eventually DE break, and they will destroy cork. I run my DE tipped down with the foregrip in the holder. Sure, the reel seat would better protect the rod but it’s just not how I do things. Folbes I simply have zero issues with and for travel I like I can leave rods in them and lock them down to keep from bouncing open |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | i'm imagining a salmon charter with all their rods leashed ... and then a double or a triple goes off ... |
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Location: St. Lawrence River | jonnysled - 9/21/2018 9:17 AM
i'm imagining a salmon charter with all their rods leashed ... and then a double or a triple goes off ...
No, this probably would not be ideal. If i was trolling with $6 spoons I probably would not give a crap either. |
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Location: MN | ^ The attachment point at the rear of the rod in your pic above - what is that exactly? Electrical taped on metal ring? |
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | JakeStCroixSkis - 9/21/2018 8:48 AM
jonnysled - 9/21/2018 9:17 AM
i'm imagining a salmon charter with all their rods leashed ... and then a double or a triple goes off ...
No, this probably would not be ideal. If i was trolling with $6 spoons I probably would not give a crap either.
so is it the $6 spoon/$35 bait or the $600 rod/reel you're worried about? it seems like the story changes here in this thread... leashes are dumb and get in the way no matter what holder system you choose to use. the opinions of some will never be changed and I get that. I fully believe the quote from above that DE's are the PD motors of the past. |
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Location: 31 | Yikes, this discussion needlessly went south in a hurry! IMHO there's a significant difference between rod holders that work best for HD muskie trolling and those that works best for Salmon or lighter duty because of the difference in tackle… unquestionably muskie tackle is larger, heavier, and the drags are set tighter, particularly when large muskies are the target. I have some experience with the Scotty style rod holders having used that style in my boat for a few years early on... they worked ok. However, I also found it unnecessarily difficult to remove the rod with a tight drag/heavy pressure because of the way you have to fish the rod handle out of the holder… not a simple lift like with a DE (at least it's simple for most people :) . I could see the Scotty not being a problem if you are running lighter drags likeTodd says (or for Salmon), but when you are pulling large lures with 7/0 hooks on large boards with tight drags… well, running a light drag is really not an option. DEs are not something "new", and in IMHO certainly not antiquated... more along the lines of battle tested if you consider the strong endorsements by guys on this thread who have literally thousands of hours and hundreds of 50” muskies on them (verses the bashing of those with limited experience with a DE ). Never used a rod leash, never fished with anyone who has, and they're certainly not needed... picking on a guy who decided to use one is lame and pointless.
I say to each their own and I think there's a legitimate argument that rod trees and tubes should also be a consideration for multi-rod muskie setups... pretty sure we would be using a rod tree if running 9-12 rods most of the time . This set up doesn't look "PD" to me - and another vote for the Fat AZ product line with DEs.
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| When People say the DE's breaks what happens ,does the rod go swimming, or is it when pulling the rod out? |
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Location: Tennessee | Zinox - 9/21/2018 2:59 PM
When People say the DE's breaks what happens ,does the rod go swimming, or is it when pulling the rod out?
I’ve saw one torque over on a snag with moderate drag pressure and break one of the “fingers” off. No lost rod but I suppose it’s always possible. I think it’s more frustrating than anything , especially for a metal rod holder which folks anticipated would be stronger and indestructible. I know several others with similar experiences. I think it may be more some inconsistencies with the casting process of the alloy. Castings can be extremely strong but if there are any inperfections one day they will show themselves. |
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Location: oswego, il | What is the process for putting a boat cover on with a system like that? |
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| ToddM - 9/21/2018 4:45 PM
What is the process for putting a boat cover on with a system like that?
Boat cover?!?!?! People use those still? |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | JakeStCroixSkis - 9/21/2018 8:48 AM
jonnysled - 9/21/2018 9:17 AM
i'm imagining a salmon charter with all their rods leashed ... and then a double or a triple goes off ...
No, this probably would not be ideal. If i was trolling with $6 spoons I probably would not give a crap either.
i thought you were worried about the rod an reel? terminal tackle is where you'll loose a bait, no? why not just have rod holders that hold the rod reliably? |
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