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Location: Wisconsin | 14ledo81 - 1/8/2018 9:01 PM
I want to fish with Pete Manna....
I had him as a guide years ago....it was a good day. |
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Location: The desert | chbogda - 1/8/2018 7:43 PM
I still can't figure out why there seems to be this idea that we need a new lure that will produce more fish for us. Truth being that its not the actual lure that is going to produce more fish, or any fish for that matter. Lets face it most of the fish have seen nearly every bait there is. Despite that the mature fish have grown more savvy to getting away once hooked because they can and will throw a lure off almost instantly if not well hooked.
Hire a guide, I know for most of us we think we can do it on our own, and lets face it its because we are cheap. Also it hurts our ego for us to believe that we can't do it on our own. But unless your an expert and intimately familiar with the specific body of water, and its daily changes in temperature, chemistry, clarity, time and seasonal variances, patterns, cover, depth, forage & feeding patterns, and even ultimately the fact that the Musky you are after is 70+ pounds or greater as anything less would be a waste of your time, you are in the wrong game.
I try to stick to the basics. A couple of glide baits, Eddie Baits, then a noisy surface Tally Wacker, Globe or similar variety, some prefer shallow running Suick's others like slow sinking inline and spinner baits in Marabou that pulsate and flash. I also believe you should have some smaller varieties, Zara Spooks, more classic Mepps' in #4-5 3/4 ounce upward for those slow bites. Colors really depend on lake and water conditions, light and clarity. These days everyone needs a Double Cowgirl but isn't that just a variation of an original Bou-Tail? The same goes with the plastic very heavy Dawgs that you'll need a rod with a lure weight so heavy to throw, it won't fit in either your car, truck or even your garage for that matter.
Stick to the simple basic lure types. I have a few Daredevils, of course in Black/White, but if I'm on the Flowage I'll switch to Red/White to try and pick off a likely Northern Pike. Or I'll throw a #4 Yellow/Black Gold-Blade Mepps so that anything around, even Muskies will hit them. They have excellent hook placement, which gives an excellent hook set, and for those concrete mouthed trophies a good hook set is the only advantage you have, well that and your leader, and line quality. Still, its all about location. Its all about luck as well. But although I have been frontended in boats so many times while stuck in the back seat, yet because I can't stand very long, I'll take the better rear seat any time. Still it almost never fails, I seem to still catch to best fish, and nearly always over an area that had just been fished by the guy up front on the trolling motor. So luck plays as well, that and patience and many many hours with line in the water.
I have been fortunate enough to have had the opportunity to fish with some of the best, or those who were coached by the best, Wayne Gutsch, Pete Manna, Bill Shumway, Jerry Ross just to name a few. Luckily I'm a slow learner, which means I have this need to keep trying, because I still haven't figured it out. Muskies we all know are a lot like cats, elusive, crafty, cunning and of course very powerful. So powerful that pound for pound they are up there nearly off the scale with fish like river run King Salmon, Halibut, Florida strain Largemouth Bass and Tarpon.
So use what you have, replace what is broke that worked in the past, put some new line on those reels make sure all the screws are tight and clean them up so that you are ready when you get that rare 10,000 cast bite! Good luck and Break a Rod (on a 70 pounder)!
If there is a cliff notes version at the show, I'll take that. |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | gregk9 - 1/8/2018 9:58 PM
The new guy has spoken!
So use what you have, replace what is broke that worked in the past, put some new line on those reels make sure all the screws are tight and clean them up so that you are ready when you get that rare 10,000 cast bite! Good luck and Break a Rod (on a 70 pounder)!
And I agree.
I think I need another firetiger Suick
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| chbogda Lighten up dude seriously! It's fun to try new stuff, and that is what musky fishing is all about, having fun! At least for me.
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Location: Ashland WI | horsehunter - 1/9/2018 9:03 AM
I know that there is no lure that I need in 27 special show colours
That's true, but then there is really nothing we actually "need" about muskie fishing at all. |
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| chbogda - 1/8/2018 8:43 PM
I still can't figure out why there seems to be this idea that we need a new lure that will produce more fish for us. Truth being that its not the actual lure that is going to produce more fish, or any fish for that matter. Lets face it most of the fish have seen nearly every bait there is. Despite that the mature fish have grown more savvy to getting away once hooked because they can and will throw a lure off almost instantly if not well hooked.
Hire a guide, I know for most of us we think we can do it on our own, and lets face it its because we are cheap. Also it hurts our ego for us to believe that we can't do it on our own. But unless your an expert and intimately familiar with the specific body of water, and its daily changes in temperature, chemistry, clarity, time and seasonal variances, patterns, cover, depth, forage & feeding patterns, and even ultimately the fact that the Musky you are after is 70+ pounds or greater as anything less would be a waste of your time, you are in the wrong game.
I try to stick to the basics. A couple of glide baits, Eddie Baits, then a noisy surface Tally Wacker, Globe or similar variety, some prefer shallow running Suick's others like slow sinking inline and spinner baits in Marabou that pulsate and flash. I also believe you should have some smaller varieties, Zara Spooks, more classic Mepps' in #4-5 3/4 ounce upward for those slow bites. Colors really depend on lake and water conditions, light and clarity. These days everyone needs a Double Cowgirl but isn't that just a variation of an original Bou-Tail? The same goes with the plastic very heavy Dawgs that you'll need a rod with a lure weight so heavy to throw, it won't fit in either your car, truck or even your garage for that matter.
Stick to the simple basic lure types. I have a few Daredevils, of course in Black/White, but if I'm on the Flowage I'll switch to Red/White to try and pick off a likely Northern Pike. Or I'll throw a #4 Yellow/Black Gold-Blade Mepps so that anything around, even Muskies will hit them. They have excellent hook placement, which gives an excellent hook set, and for those concrete mouthed trophies a good hook set is the only advantage you have, well that and your leader, and line quality. Still, its all about location. Its all about luck as well. But although I have been frontended in boats so many times while stuck in the back seat, yet because I can't stand very long, I'll take the better rear seat any time. Still it almost never fails, I seem to still catch to best fish, and nearly always over an area that had just been fished by the guy up front on the trolling motor. So luck plays as well, that and patience and many many hours with line in the water.
I have been fortunate enough to have had the opportunity to fish with some of the best, or those who were coached by the best, Wayne Gutsch, Pete Manna, Bill Shumway, Jerry Ross just to name a few. Luckily I'm a slow learner, which means I have this need to keep trying, because I still haven't figured it out. Muskies we all know are a lot like cats, elusive, crafty, cunning and of course very powerful. So powerful that pound for pound they are up there nearly off the scale with fish like river run King Salmon, Halibut, Florida strain Largemouth Bass and Tarpon.
So use what you have, replace what is broke that worked in the past, put some new line on those reels make sure all the screws are tight and clean them up so that you are ready when you get that rare 10,000 cast bite! Good luck and Break a Rod (on a 70 pounder)!
I love the "Very Powerful, So powerful Pound for Pound" quote. Muskies are not a powerful fish by any means. Sure they hit really hard at times and bend the rod a bit but completely lack in stamina compared to King Salmon, Steelhead, Tarpon, etc etc. I think most who chase Muskies love them for the challenge and odd things they can do but nobody chases Muskies for the power, runs or stamina. Maybe if your using bass gear but on our Muskie gear even some of the biggest fish caught over the years take 1-4 minutes to land. Heck, Channel Cats fight much harder than a Muskie. 10-15# Tarpon make 50"+ Muskies look lazy and dead weight on the line. 12# Steelhead will have you holding on tight (in current) running up or down a river trying to catch up to them. I get what your saying...makes sense but Muskies (which I love to chase) aren't known as being very powerful and certainly don't have stamina. They really give up to fast. Maybe they wouldn't if we used lighter gear but most are concerned with safety of fish and the baits we use require really heavy gear. All the Muskie Rods, line and leaders we use are even overkill for adult Tarpon. What I love about Muskie is the challenge, the bite, follow, head shakes and hard hit but I do wish the fight lasted much longer. It's too short! Most would agree that any sized Tarpon, any respectable sized Steelhead or Fresh King among many many more fish including smallmouth all fight WAY harder than a Muskie and pound for pound Muskie aren't even close to the top of list...I do like most strikes by Muskies but given the size of fish most of that is the weight on a 20-30-40# fish. Or on a tight leash boatside strike where your reel locks up and have a big fish a foot or two from you. After that it's easily manageable...unless it's foul hooked. Muskies can be controlled very easily especially with the gear we use and maybe you need to lighten up if they aren't hooked well but no fight of a hooked fish should ever go past 3,4 or 5 minutes and that's being generous..that is not very powerful...but I sure love them! They are my top 5 species to chase in fresh and salt...cause of the size and challenge...not power. |
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Location: Buffalo, NY | Detroithardcore-
I agree with most of the above statement with regards to the fight, heck most of the time i prefer playing out a smallmouth more than my musky fights. The difference is in the skill required to keep em hooked. At least with the method I use with tube jigs, most have the lure come out by itself right in the net, no unhooking required. The learned skill is keeping the pressure on, rod bent, and reeling em in fast enough they don't head-shake out of it. Smallmouth have rarely ever come unhooked when i've caught em.
However as a matter of semantics, Power is maximum exertion over a short period of time. Strength is moderate exertion over a moderate period of time. Endurance is adequate effort over extended period of time.
Muskies are very powerful, the strike and head-shakes is them giving it all up in the first minute. They fizzle out afterwards, but their fighting style is the definition of power. Smallmouth tend towards the strength category, and i'll say any salmonoid leans toward an endurance- long runs rather than sudden powerful movements. |
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| Smallmouth rarely come unhooked in the net because on simple weight (if you net them). A ton of times I've witnessed netting Muskies is when that fish is netted a "single barbor many barbs of treble hook" catches the netting and the weight of fish being scooped up, hoisted hard breaks free from the fishes mouth. They aren't any smarter than the other species and purposely breaking free before or in the net. |
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| Don't know why some get all worked up with what others buy--or spend on tackle.... I guess I am from the point of Worry about yourself and let others do as they want.... I see guys spend $150 on a Lure--- hey-- if they want it-- and have the funds, they should buy it.... Why Care so much about how others spend their $$$...... Not every Sport or hobby is the same for All.......and some have more disposable $$$ than others... Now , can't wait for spring so we can catch some SKI'S. |
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Location: Northern Illinois | I honestly think, for the small Northern Wisconsin lakes that I fish, I would have caught more muskies if I would have always used one lure - a gold bladed Mepps Musky Killer with a black tail. However, there's a lot more to it than that.
1. I would get board just throwing one type of lure.
2. I like to learn the different actions on different lures.
3. Sometimes I just try to catch a fish on a certain type of lure. Even when bass fishing, I know I could catch more fish using a plastic worm. Sometimes I want to catch them using a handmade lure like a small Novak glider - it's a blast.
4. I like to collect lures - it's a totally separate derivative of fishing. I appreciate the handcrafted nature of the lures and the history/people behind it.
5. I can't fish in January and I still like fishing, so I look at, and sometimes buy, equipment and lures maybe as kind of a substitute - since I'm still thinking about fishing.
I'm sure there's a lot more reasons, but they can all be wrapped up into one - it's a hobby. It doesn't have to make total sense. I don't have to create a business case for it or justify it to anyone. Besides - I couldn't.
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Location: FIB land | Not a "must have" , but a "must hear" - Mike Hulbert Seminar. His objective - big girls in the net ; his approach - KISS. He ain't politically correct, tells it the way he sees it, flat out Muskie Machine. |
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| muskie-don58 - 1/10/2018 9:17 AM
Not a "must have" , but a "must hear" - Mike Hulbert Seminar. His objective - big girls in the net ; his approach - KISS. He ain't politically correct, tells it the way he sees it, flat out Muskie Machine.
Agreed. hulberts seminars are very good and entertaining. meeting new people and the seminars are my favorite part |
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Location: oswego, il | I have known Mike Hulbert way before he decided to guide. It would be very hard to be a bigger die hard musky fisherman than him. I remember once when he first started guiding, he cancelled a guide trip because there was a blizzard, sideways snow fall and giant wind. He fished alone all day that day. |
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| 14ledo81 - 1/8/2018 9:01 PM
I want to fish with Pete Manna.... Now that would be an all right fishing trip! |
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Location: oswego, il | 0723 - 1/11/2018 5:35 PM
14ledo81 - 1/8/2018 9:01 PM
I want to fish with Pete Manna.... Now that would be an all right fishing trip!
Who is Pete Manna? |
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| esoxaddict - 1/11/2018 2:23 PM
The best lure in the world is useless in the hands of an angler who does not know what to do with it or where or when to use it.
I have two boxes full of those kind of lures |
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| I don't need anymore either still buying some. Can't take it with you |
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Location: Ashland WI | ToddM - 1/11/2018 6:39 PM
0723 - 1/11/2018 5:35 PM
14ledo81 - 1/8/2018 9:01 PM
I want to fish with Pete Manna.... Now that would be an all right fishing trip!
Who is Pete Manna?
I'm not sure, but that new guy with the long-winded first post said he was fun to fish with... |
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Location: Elk Grove Village, IL & Phillips, WI | That's Manna from Heaven! |
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Location: oswego, il | 14ledo81 - 1/12/2018 11:32 AM
ToddM - 1/11/2018 6:39 PM
0723 - 1/11/2018 5:35 PM
14ledo81 - 1/8/2018 9:01 PM
I want to fish with Pete Manna.... Now that would be an all right fishing trip!
Who is Pete Manna?
I'm not sure, but that new guy with the long-winded first post said he was fun to fish with...
Maybe he knows Joe Booker. |
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Location: oswego, il | This whole thread is amusing. What generation has not complained about a generation that came after. Silly. I was talking to.a friend at the musky show he seen a group of young guys with flat brimmed hats and started in. Genuinely not happy. I laughed and said, you an old man? He said yeah i am old! Millenials and generation z have grown up in a period with much more competition for their time.
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Location: new richmond, wi. & isle, mn | ToddM - 1/12/2018 6:17 PM
This whole thread is amusing. What generation has not complained about a generation that came after. Silly. I was talking to.a friend at the musky show he seen a group of young guys with flat brimmed hats and started in. Genuinely not happy. I laughed and said, you an old man? He said yeah i am old! Millenials and generation z have grown up in a period with much more competition for their time.
Todd your sometimers kicked in and your in the wrong thread.  |
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0723 - 1/11/2018 5:35 PM
14ledo81 - 1/8/2018 9:01 PM
I want to fish with Pete Manna.... Now that would be an all right fishing trip!
Who is Pete Manna?
the last mullet musky angler |
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Location: oswego, il | jchiggins - 1/12/2018 8:32 PM
ToddM - 1/12/2018 6:17 PM
This whole thread is amusing. What generation has not complained about a generation that came after. Silly. I was talking to.a friend at the musky show he seen a group of young guys with flat brimmed hats and started in. Genuinely not happy. I laughed and said, you an old man? He said yeah i am old! Millenials and generation z have grown up in a period with much more competition for their time.
Todd your sometimers kicked in and your in the wrong thread. ;- )
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