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| JakeStCroixSkis - 12/13/2016 12:33 AM
Muskymilleman - 12/7/2016 9:08 AM
No.
If you understand patents you'll realize more then likely they will not not offer one on a fishing lure lip.
Once again it goes back to honor and respect which clearly a lot of people don't care about. Be CREATIVE! It really isn't difficult.
There is lots of different ways to make a lure walk. THINK!
Enjoy yourself in which ever path you choose to take. Some will take easy way, some will take the road less travelled and some will blaze their own trail.
Goodluck to you all.
You are a tool. This is the BASEMENT bait section, not the large scale manufacturing section. No one here is looking to make money from anyone's design, but simply trying to duplicate some of their favorites to see if they can get it done with a homemade version. Go preach somewhere else.
Your response couldn't be more counterfactual.
Fourth response down from the top - A person who is involved in lure or lure component manufacturing and distribution trying to make money from anothers design.
Please know your facts.
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Location: Morgantown, WV | Perhaps no one should have tried to copy the wheel, steam engine, light bulb, or any other great inventions. "That wheel is a great way to move stuff around, but I can't copy that design though so I'll just remain stationary until I figure out some unique method of mechanism of transportation."
I own a couple of headlocks. They are beautiful and very well made. The action is really unique. I haven't caught anything on them yet but this is probably due to not fishing them the right way or not enough time in the water or just bad luck. I love the idea of the line tie for the properties mentioned above. Whoever developed this is a genius. The Muskies where i fish eat a lot of shad so it stands to reason that a lure in the 5-6" range might be good. I wanted to build a smaller bait with the same type of lip. I will never sell my lures. They take me way too long to build and I would starve to death if I tried to do this as a source of income. I have great respect for anyone who can. |
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| Light bulb, wheel??? Oh boy....you nailed it!
One of the first founding major court cases in American history that led up to strict laws on patents and designs involved the lightbuld. As for the wheel...it would be similar to copying a specific tread pattern, which there are thousands of patents for different tread patterns and other design specifications.
There is a difference between lighting a room and copying the way you do it.
You couldn't have proven my point any better.
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| I am not arguing who invented the crankbait lip by the way... |
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Location: Waukee, IA | You proved the opposite point with your tread rant. All that you need to do is change 1 insignificant pattern line and call it your own with zero affect on the final product. Same with the headlock lip, make it 1/32" shorter and it's no longer a headlock lip but you can bet it does the same thing.
Bigger question, who urinated in your cheerios? |
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Location: Lakeville, MN | If someone is interested in getting their own lip designs laser cut i can help, but to copy someone elses lip design i will not help you out |
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Location: Morgantown, WV | Thanks for the history lesson. |
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| tkuntz - 12/14/2016 10:23 AM
You proved the opposite point with your tread rant. All that you need to do is change 1 insignificant pattern line and call it your own with zero affect on the final product. Same with the headlock lip, make it 1/32" shorter and it's no longer a headlock lip but you can bet it does the same thing.
Bigger question, who urinated in your cheerios?
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| genesisperformance - 12/14/2016 10:25 AM
If someone is interested in getting their own lip designs laser cut i can help, but to copy someone elses lip design i will not help you out
^^^^^THIS^^^^^
Is what respect for another designer is.
Thank you Genesisperformance.
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| genesisperformance - 12/14/2016 10:25 AM
If someone is interested in getting their own lip designs laser cut i can help, but to copy someone elses lip design i will not help you out
Do you need dxf or similar files or do you create them? |
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Location: Waukee, IA | We taking bets on if Genesisperformance and muskymilleman operate from the same I.P. address? This was a well crafted advertisement for laser cut lips. |
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| Is there a patent on the clevis/lip you are talking about Mille? |
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Location: Ashland WI | thescottith - 12/14/2016 2:01 PM
Is there a patent on the clevis/lip you are talking about Mille?
No. Mille thinks it is dis-honorable to copy it, even without a patent. |
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| I have a headlock and thought when I bought it that I had seen the pin clevis thing on another bait but I'm second guessing myself. Duff has such a following he is set and I dont see why someone copying an unpatented Idea would bother him one bit being he is super chill and cool.
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| There is not a patent on the clevis pin/headlock lip combo. It simply would not be cost effective and it would be highly doubtful a patent would be granted because the clevis pin is used in a variety of industries and the Headlock did not invent the clevis pin or the fishing lure lip. The only thing you could try to patent in this case is the specific shape which would nearly impossible to do. Unfortunately you cannot patent a "idea" in the USA. |
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| On that perfect note, why dont you stop blowing this all out of proportion, and let the original dude just try to get a fricken lip for a bait he wants to make. Honestly, your ranting has literally turned something that is a fun hobby to this man into history lessons on court cases and why he should get his balls cut off for wanting to make his own bait for fun. (Save the "show me where I said that!?!?" Comments, I'm just trying to sound like a giant buffoon too, because you make it look so fun). Honestly it's strange having to stoop to this level to another adult, but I feel like you need a direct statement, so: Dude. Shut up. Save this garbage for somewhere else and stop spreading your feces on everyones pancakes. Call it a night early and see if you wake up on the right side of the bed tomorrow somehow for once.
I realize you probably stopped reading a while ago and skipped to the end to try to come up with an egotistical retort again, but heres a quick simple summary.
1. Throughout time, things and items have been invented
2. People like those items.
3. Someties they are expensive or hard to get, or hell it just might be fun to try to make one of your own for fun
4. "Fun" is a thing people like to have sometimes, I highly recommend trying.
5. I'll try to get in contact with the Wright brothers living relatives so you can tell them how mad they should be all these other people stole their idea for a flying machine.
Dont reply back to me, no one here wants to hear from you anymore.
Edited by dougturd 12/14/2016 6:37 PM
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| Dougturd
Your points have missed the target. Swing and a miss, next batter up.
Have fun 
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Location: mercer wi | Wasn't the original question " where to get headlock TYPE lips". Wasn't asking to get the acual lips. |
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Location: MN | upnortdave - 12/15/2016 5:42 AM
Wasn't the original question " where to get headlock TYPE lips". Wasn't asking to get the acual lips.
Dave and Doug you're making too much sense for this discussion. This is WINTERNET!
Edited by NathanH 12/15/2016 6:04 AM
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Location: St. Lawrence River | Muskymilleman I better not ever see you out on the water doing figure 8's.. it is not your design, and I'll be pretty unimpressed about it :p :p
Joking at this point.. |
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| That's actually pretty funny. |
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Location: Waukee, IA | JakeStCroixSkis - 12/15/2016 10:42 AM
Muskymilleman I better not ever see you out on the water doing figure 8's.. it is not your design, and I'll be pretty unimpressed about it :p :p
Joking at this point..
Just change the nomenclature. Instead of a "figure 8" call it an "infinity finish." Problem solved |
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| Muskymilleman - 12/14/2016 9:33 PM
Dougturd
Your points have missed the target. Swing and a miss, next batter up.
Have fun
MY POINTS MISSED THE TARGET? Are you for real? Your entire incoherent babbling missed the target of this entire post. Hes looking for headlock "type" lips, and you changed the whole theme. Real cute with the baseball theme though. If that sticks with you better, then Id say everyone elses comments are solid hits, whereas you couldnt get a hit if you were on a date with bill cosby |
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Location: oswego, il | I am glad the originator of the mister twister is not on this site...... |
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Location: mercer wi | Crankbaitman hasn't posted on this thread since he originally posted the question. I hope he didn't get peeed that his simple quest to build something for himself got pirated.
I hope you find what your looking for. If you do please post pics. Good luck with the build and water time for your bait.
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| dougturd - 12/15/2016 1:17 PM
Muskymilleman - 12/14/2016 9:33 PM
Dougturd
Your points have missed the target. Swing and a miss, next batter up.
Have fun
MY POINTS MISSED THE TARGET? Are you for real? Your entire incoherent babbling missed the target of this entire post. Hes looking for headlock "type" lips, and you changed the whole theme. Real cute with the baseball theme though. If that sticks with you better, then Id say everyone elses comments are solid hits, whereas you couldnt get a hit if you were on a date with bill cosby
Yes, the majority of your points missed the target completely, more then likely because you thought I was aiming them at the author the entire time which I was not except for the very first comment.
My posts were not directed at the person looking for lips. Read my posts and my main point is focused on the person trying to sell, copy and distribute headlock or headlock "type" lips and profit off another persons hard work in which I do not personally think is right. I have a right to an opinion as do you.
The only comment directed towards the person looking for lips was when I simply suggested he possibly try designing his own type of lips.
Goodluck.
Edited by Muskymilleman 12/15/2016 6:01 PM
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Location: MN | Muskymilleman - 12/15/2016 5:59 PM
dougturd - 12/15/2016 1:17 PM
Muskymilleman - 12/14/2016 9:33 PM
Dougturd
Your points have missed the target. Swing and a miss, next batter up.
Have fun
MY POINTS MISSED THE TARGET? Are you for real? Your entire incoherent babbling missed the target of this entire post. Hes looking for headlock "type" lips, and you changed the whole theme. Real cute with the baseball theme though. If that sticks with you better, then Id say everyone elses comments are solid hits, whereas you couldnt get a hit if you were on a date with bill cosby
Yes, the majority of your points missed the target completely, more then likely because you thought I was aiming them at the author the entire time which I was not except for the very first comment.
My posts were not directed at the person looking for lips. Read my posts and my main point is focused on the person trying to sell, copy and distribute headlock or headlock "type" lips and profit off another persons hard work in which I do not personally think is right. I have a right to an opinion as do you.
The only comment directed towards the person looking for lips was when I simply suggested he possibly try designing his own type of lips.
Goodluck.
I have to disagree. I read back through and it appears to me the only one asking if there is any interest, presumably to buy, is Dick. He's the nicest guy in the world, and he's asking if anyone would be interested in laser cut polycarbonate lips, not headlock lips. To me you have come off as a complete arse in this thread. |
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| He is a very nice person 100%, a great guy who has been around a long time and extremely helpful to many in this industry. I will gladly support him further down the line. I just don't agree with the lazer cut headlock lips if he chooses to make them. Next time, I will simply send him a pm.
Pretty sure he was talking about lazer cutting Headlock or Headlock type lips though...since it is a "Headlock lip" thread, if he was talking about cutting random lips then I will gladly apologize to him.
Cheers.
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Location: oswego, il | I wonder how many people have read this thread and know what booth they will pass up or just buy somebody elses walking crankbait. Your hurting the brand. |
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Location: MN | ToddM - 12/16/2016 5:44 AM
I wonder how many people have read this thread and know what booth they will pass up or just buy somebody elses walking crankbait. Your hurting the brand.
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