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jonnysled |
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Posts: 13688 Location: minocqua, wi. | selfish type A's targeting a fish that is vulnerable vs. using discretion and fishing for something else ... sportsmen. Edited by jonnysled 8/19/2016 6:46 PM | ||
| BMuskyX |
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Posts: 275 | Most of my my musky fishing is done in early June or late September so high water temps have rarely been an issue. If I do schedule vacation time off work, book a cabin, pack, drive 7-8 hours, etc. to find less than Ideal conditions, I'm not going to sit on the dock and catch bluegill all week. Jaimy | ||
| BMuskyX |
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Posts: 275 | jonnysled - 8/19/2016 6:22 PM selfish type A's targeting a fish that is vulnerable vs. using discretion and fishing for something else ... sportsmen. Killing my limit on species B C and D all week would make me more of a sportsmen than catching and safely releasing (to the best of my abilities) for the chance of survival, maybe one species A makes me selfish??????????? Jaimy | ||
| Musky Brian |
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Posts: 1767 Location: Lake Country, Wisconsin | BMuskyX - 8/20/2016 7:18 AM Most of my my musky fishing is done in early June or late September so high water temps have rarely been an issue. If I do schedule vacation time off work, book a cabin, pack, drive 7-8 hours, etc. to find less than Ideal conditions, I'm not going to sit on the dock and catch bluegill all week. Jaimy Didn't really read anything here that you should cancel a trip. Fishing an urban fishery that is dependent on stocking, and dollars for that stocking, is a bit different. Madison has an open season from May until December. Someone arguing they can't live with giving it a rest from mid July to mid August is pretty weak. I guess people that put in the time, effort and resources to build the fishery for others deserve a bit more respect for their efforts. I might suggest getting involved sometime for a better understanding of how it all works, these fish in that system are fragile and don't grow on trees. But it's all good....you either care or you don't. It's a free country | ||
| BMuskyX |
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Posts: 275 | Musky Brian - 8/20/2016 8:02 AM But it's all good....you either care or you don't. It's a free country It's not that cut and dry.... I can care very much about the conservation of the fish (which I do) and still have a different opinion on certain aspects of the sport. Off topic but, some of the same guys who feel strongly about the life of a fish will let 'em be for the hot months but may sit in a bar all day and drive home not caring about the lives of people sharing the road. I know that example is a stretch but my point is, JUDGE NOT.... | ||
| jonnysled |
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Posts: 13688 Location: minocqua, wi. | Expand your game ... that same 7 hours can deliver some incredible fishing. | ||
| BMuskyX |
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Posts: 275 | jonnysled - 8/20/2016 9:13 AM Expand your game ... that same 7 hours can deliver some incredible fishing. I don't really enjoy targeting other species. My fishing time is very limited also....putting in 120 hours of work in 10 days as we speak so when I do get a chance to fish, I will target my preferred quarry. I'm sorry if that offends some but I do my best to release all musky unharmed. None of us can say that we know all fish in our net survive. Jaimy | ||
| jonnysled |
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Posts: 13688 Location: minocqua, wi. | I me my | ||
| muskie-don58 |
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Posts: 213 Location: FIB land | These days , pretty much what our society cultivates - I, me, my ... Yep, look at me, it's all about me. | ||
| short STRIKE |
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Posts: 470 Location: Blaine, MN | Off topic but, some of the same guys who feel strongly about the life of a fish will let 'em be for the hot months but may sit in a bar all day and drive home not caring about the lives of people sharing the road. I know that example is a stretch but my point is, JUDGE NOT.... wow.... What bar are all you liquor pigs sitting in? I'm tired of drinking alone waiting for temps to drop and to get just sauced enough to drive home. Might be the dumbest paragraph I've ever encountered on here. | ||
| BMuskyX |
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Posts: 275 | muskie-don58 - 8/20/2016 10:21 AM These days , pretty much what our society cultivates - I, me, my ... Yep, look at me, it's all about me. Most of you are just saying "do what I do", "listen to ME about fishing high temps", "follow MY example"! All I'm saying is that ALL of US to have the right to make OUR own choices. Jaimy | ||
| jonnysled |
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Posts: 13688 Location: minocqua, wi. | Yup ... That one's a dandy No, they're saying when ciscoes are dying and water is ridiculously hot throughout the column try being a sportsman and not a selfish moron. Edited by jonnysled 8/20/2016 12:24 PM | ||
| BMuskyX |
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Posts: 275 | jonnysled - 8/20/2016 11:27 AM Yup ... That one's a dandy No, they're saying when thousands of ciscoes are dying and water is ridiculously hot throughout the column try being a sportsman and not a selfish moron. I have never to my knowledge fished in waters 80 degrees or hotter. The 78.5 temps I fished in a couple weeks ago was just fine in my opinion! As stated before most of my trips are early June or late September......but the choice is still up to the individual "sportsman". Some opinions can be based on something other than ones own actions. For example I support the right to own guns but have never and more than likely will never own one. Jaimy | ||
| esoxaddict |
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Posts: 8863 | I don't think the danger to musky survival from catching them in water that's too hot is an "opinion"... That's pretty much been proven. Sure, we can legally fish for them at any point during the season - that's a privilege we pay for when we buy a license. That doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. I don't get it. Guys will crucify someone for catching a musky on light tackle, not having the right release tools, having the fish out of water too long, laying it on the bottom of the boat, or using a vertical hold. But when it comes to fishing in stupid-hot water there's suddenly an argument? | ||
| danmuskyman |
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Posts: 633 Location: Madison, WI | Being a true "sportsman" would be showing some respect for the animal and the resource. Just because something is legal does not make it right or ethical. Just a few years ago a hunter could kill as many deer as he wanted down here for only $2 a piece. A guy on a neighboring MFL land killed 26 in one season! Even though it was legal I would not call that being a sportsman! | ||
| Pointerpride102 |
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Posts: 16632 Location: The desert | BMuskyX - 8/20/2016 7:39 AM jonnysled - 8/19/2016 6:22 PM selfish type A's targeting a fish that is vulnerable vs. using discretion and fishing for something else ... sportsmen. Killing my limit on species B C and D all week would make me more of a sportsmen than catching and safely releasing (to the best of my abilities) for the chance of survival, maybe one species A makes me selfish??????????? Jaimy Lol. This guy is on fire! I'd suggest punting the keyboard. It's killing you like hot water does muskies. | ||
| fishhawk50 |
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Posts: 1416 Location: oconomowoc, wi | Pointerpride102 - 8/20/2016 1:35 PM BMuskyX - 8/20/2016 7:39 AM jonnysled - 8/19/2016 6:22 PM selfish type A's targeting a fish that is vulnerable vs. using discretion and fishing for something else ... sportsmen. Killing my limit on species B C and D all week would make me more of a sportsmen than catching and safely releasing (to the best of my abilities) for the chance of survival, maybe one species A makes me selfish??????????? Jaimy Lol. This guy is on fire! I'd suggest punting the keyboard. It's killing you like hot water does muskies. on third down? | ||
| BMuskyX |
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Posts: 275 | Some real self-righteous sorts on here. The original poster just asked about full moon fishing and got slammed. Panties in a bunch over something that matters so little in the big picture...wonder how you guys handle real problems. Jaimy | ||
| Musky Brian |
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Posts: 1767 Location: Lake Country, Wisconsin | And on 4th and 18 he runs it up the middle .... | ||
| esoxaddict |
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Posts: 8863 | BMuskyX - 8/20/2016 4:39 PM Some real self-righteous sorts on here. The original poster just asked about full moon fishing and got slammed. Panties in a bunch over something that matters so little in the big picture...wonder how you guys handle real problems. Jaimy We solve them. - Over harvest was a problem, solved by C&R education and increased size limits - Single hook sucker rigs were a problem, solved by education and the widespread use of quick strike rigs - Vertical holds were a problem, solved by education - Poor release techniques were a problem, solved by education Delayed mortality is a problem. It can be solved by education, so the folks out there fishing for muskies know how to catch them and release them safely. Catching them in warm water is a problem, because it increases the chances that they will not survive by enough that most knowledgeable folks will simply stop fishing for them when surface temps are hovering around 80. That's the easiest problem to solve. Just fish for something else until the water cools off. Or play golf or stay home and play with yourself if it suits you. But if you're going to say "I do everything I can..." don't expect much sympathy when that includes the caveat of "except I fish whenever I want regardless of water temps..." What you're basically saying is "I care about the safety of the fish only insofar as it doesn't interfere with my ability to fish when I want to." Well, okay then. You're within your legal rights, just like you are to harvest whatever muskies you catch that are of legal size. Might want to just do that quietly instead of looking for justification in a place like this. Just sayin'... | ||
| short STRIKE |
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Posts: 470 Location: Blaine, MN | Please Don't have him punt... This one is borderline epic, I need entertainment on my bar stool. Even changed my signature line! Edited by short STRIKE 8/20/2016 9:02 PM | ||
| Pointerpride102 |
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Posts: 16632 Location: The desert | BMuskyX - 8/20/2016 4:39 PM Some real self-righteous sorts on here. The original poster just asked about full moon fishing and got slammed. Panties in a bunch over something that matters so little in the big picture...wonder how you guys handle real problems. Jaimy In the big picture of what? Life? That's a colossal stretch to even compare the two. Many here are extremely passionate about this sport and put a lot of time and money into improving the fisheries where they fish. Naturally, they then become very passionate about the resource. Many also use it to escape the real problems in their life that you bring up. Thus when someone comes on here and claims they care about the resource but then says they plan to fish during the hottest water temps of the summer, it shouldn't come with much shock that many will raise questions about that angler's line of thinking and even their ethics. | ||
| Zib |
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Posts: 1405 Location: Detroit River | tackleaddict - 8/19/2016 4:43 PM 76 and 77 Wednesday 3 miles East of the ditch. Same by the South Channel. Im sure the mile roads were still cooking though. Saw 1 floater but it also looked to have been stabbed. The 46 I caught exploded out of my hands after just a few rocks. Not trying to argue just thought it was sad when you said you couldn't musky the rest of the summer. http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=45147 It's not that I can't fish them the rest of summer it's that I'm choosing not too since most days I can't fish mid lake because the weather conditions restrict my small boat. | ||
| only catch'n |
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Posts: 12 | Got my arm twisted and took a friend's son out early a.m. Water was 77 and I was telling myself at least it's not 80. He caught a fish pretty quickly but I'm afraid it became eagle food. We hung around and went back to it 2 times to revive it and the last time it dove straight down not to be seen again. I don't think it probably made it. This hasn't happened to me in many years and I feel awful. A question comes to mind, has anybody ever stuck one in the live box and blasted the aerator? This came to mind after of course. | ||
| Musky Brian |
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Posts: 1767 Location: Lake Country, Wisconsin | only catch'n - 8/21/2016 7:57 AM Got my arm twisted and took a friend's son out early a.m. Water was 77 and I was telling myself at least it's not 80. He caught a fish pretty quickly but I'm afraid it became eagle food. We hung around and went back to it 2 times to revive it and the last time it dove straight down not to be seen again. I don't think it probably made it. This hasn't happened to me in many years and I feel awful. A question comes to mind, has anybody ever stuck one in the live box and blasted the aerator? This came to mind after of course. Yes....that can definitely work sometimes. | ||
| BMuskyX |
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Posts: 275 | esoxaddict - 8/20/2016 6:11 PM BMuskyX - 8/20/2016 4:39 PM Some real self-righteous sorts on here. The original poster just asked about full moon fishing and got slammed. Panties in a bunch over something that matters so little in the big picture...wonder how you guys handle real problems. Jaimy We solve them. - Over harvest was a problem, solved by C&R education and increased size limits - Single hook sucker rigs were a problem, solved by education and the widespread use of quick strike rigs - Vertical holds were a problem, solved by education - Poor release techniques were a problem, solved by education Delayed mortality is a problem. It can be solved by education, so the folks out there fishing for muskies know how to catch them and release them safely. Catching them in warm water is a problem, because it increases the chances that they will not survive by enough that most knowledgeable folks will simply stop fishing for them when surface temps are hovering around 80. That's the easiest problem to solve. Just fish for something else until the water cools off. Or play golf or stay home and play with yourself if it suits you. But if you're going to say "I do everything I can..." don't expect much sympathy when that includes the caveat of "except I fish whenever I want regardless of water temps..." What you're basically saying is "I care about the safety of the fish only insofar as it doesn't interfere with my ability to fish when I want to." Well, okay then. You're within your legal rights, just like you are to harvest whatever muskies you catch that are of legal size. Might want to just do that quietly instead of looking for justification in a place like this. Just sayin'... I get all of it, I do. All posts back are under the assumption that I fish this way when I don't. However, I still would not cancel a trip if I was confronted with unseasonably (June or September) warm water and I would not sit on my ass jigging minnows to fill my freezer with other species. I understand where the original poster was coming from and felt he was wrongfully jumped on by bnelson for asking a simple question or having a different opinion. He is actually the one that got the ball rolling saying he was fishing no matter what the temps. (and I see he bailed on the discussion pretty quickly). My general nature on any debate is to "stir the #*#*" so I guess that's just a personality flaw. I don't keep any musky and it's not my place to condemn ones who do. Just like it's no ones place to condemn someone fishing for them all summer long if that's what they choose to do. Despite what some think, these are not MY fish, not YOUR fish, not even OUR fish...they don't belong to anyone! Each individual fisherman has to do their part in anyway that they feel is ethical and right even if it (OH MY GOD!) contradicts what some others on this board think. Although staying home playing with myself has its appeal, I will continue to enjoy the sport of musky fishing releasing "ALL" that hit my net in the hopes that someone else can enjoy it as well. Jaimy | ||
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Posts: 815 Location: Waukee, IA | BMuskyX - 8/21/2016 8:34 AM esoxaddict - 8/20/2016 6:11 PM BMuskyX - 8/20/2016 4:39 PM Some real self-righteous sorts on here. The original poster just asked about full moon fishing and got slammed. Panties in a bunch over something that matters so little in the big picture...wonder how you guys handle real problems. Jaimy We solve them. - Over harvest was a problem, solved by C&R education and increased size limits - Single hook sucker rigs were a problem, solved by education and the widespread use of quick strike rigs - Vertical holds were a problem, solved by education - Poor release techniques were a problem, solved by education Delayed mortality is a problem. It can be solved by education, so the folks out there fishing for muskies know how to catch them and release them safely. Catching them in warm water is a problem, because it increases the chances that they will not survive by enough that most knowledgeable folks will simply stop fishing for them when surface temps are hovering around 80. That's the easiest problem to solve. Just fish for something else until the water cools off. Or play golf or stay home and play with yourself if it suits you. But if you're going to say "I do everything I can..." don't expect much sympathy when that includes the caveat of "except I fish whenever I want regardless of water temps..." What you're basically saying is "I care about the safety of the fish only insofar as it doesn't interfere with my ability to fish when I want to." Well, okay then. You're within your legal rights, just like you are to harvest whatever muskies you catch that are of legal size. Might want to just do that quietly instead of looking for justification in a place like this. Just sayin'... I get all of it, I do. All posts back are under the assumption that I fish this way when I don't. However, I still would not cancel a trip if I was confronted with unseasonably (June or September) warm water and I would not sit on my ass jigging minnows to fill my freezer with other species. I understand where the original poster was coming from and felt he was wrongfully jumped on by bnelson for asking a simple question or having a different opinion. He is actually the one that got the ball rolling saying he was fishing no matter what the temps. (and I see he bailed on the discussion pretty quickly). My general nature on any debate is to "stir the #*#*" so I guess that's just a personality flaw. I don't keep any musky and it's not my place to condemn ones who do. Just like it's no ones place to condemn someone fishing for them all summer long if that's what they choose to do. Despite what some think, these are not MY fish, not YOUR fish, not even OUR fish...they don't belong to anyone! Each individual fisherman has to do their part in anyway that they feel is ethical and right even if it (OH MY GOD!) contradicts what some others on this board think. Although staying home playing with myself has its appeal, I will continue to enjoy the sport of musky fishing releasing "ALL" that hit my net in the hopes that someone else can enjoy it as well. Jaimy So with all of your backtracking and contradiction, what IS your point? I think you're just talking for the pleasure of doing so, all the while openly encouraging bad ethics. | ||
| muskie-don58 |
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Posts: 213 Location: FIB land | Most people don't get Muskie fishing, even some Muskie fisherman don't seem to get it. | ||
| Pointerpride102 |
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Posts: 16632 Location: The desert | BMuskyX - 8/21/2016 8:34 AM esoxaddict - 8/20/2016 6:11 PM BMuskyX - 8/20/2016 4:39 PM Some real self-righteous sorts on here. The original poster just asked about full moon fishing and got slammed. Panties in a bunch over something that matters so little in the big picture...wonder how you guys handle real problems. Jaimy We solve them. - Over harvest was a problem, solved by C&R education and increased size limits - Single hook sucker rigs were a problem, solved by education and the widespread use of quick strike rigs - Vertical holds were a problem, solved by education - Poor release techniques were a problem, solved by education Delayed mortality is a problem. It can be solved by education, so the folks out there fishing for muskies know how to catch them and release them safely. Catching them in warm water is a problem, because it increases the chances that they will not survive by enough that most knowledgeable folks will simply stop fishing for them when surface temps are hovering around 80. That's the easiest problem to solve. Just fish for something else until the water cools off. Or play golf or stay home and play with yourself if it suits you. But if you're going to say "I do everything I can..." don't expect much sympathy when that includes the caveat of "except I fish whenever I want regardless of water temps..." What you're basically saying is "I care about the safety of the fish only insofar as it doesn't interfere with my ability to fish when I want to." Well, okay then. You're within your legal rights, just like you are to harvest whatever muskies you catch that are of legal size. Might want to just do that quietly instead of looking for justification in a place like this. Just sayin'... I get all of it, I do. All posts back are under the assumption that I fish this way when I don't. However, I still would not cancel a trip if I was confronted with unseasonably (June or September) warm water and I would not sit on my ass jigging minnows to fill my freezer with other species. I understand where the original poster was coming from and felt he was wrongfully jumped on by bnelson for asking a simple question or having a different opinion. He is actually the one that got the ball rolling saying he was fishing no matter what the temps. (and I see he bailed on the discussion pretty quickly). My general nature on any debate is to "stir the #*#*" so I guess that's just a personality flaw. I don't keep any musky and it's not my place to condemn ones who do. Just like it's no ones place to condemn someone fishing for them all summer long if that's what they choose to do. Despite what some think, these are not MY fish, not YOUR fish, not even OUR fish...they don't belong to anyone! Each individual fisherman has to do their part in anyway that they feel is ethical and right even if it (OH MY GOD!) contradicts what some others on this board think. Although staying home playing with myself has its appeal, I will continue to enjoy the sport of musky fishing releasing "ALL" that hit my net in the hopes that someone else can enjoy it as well. Jaimy Cool story, except you're sidestepping the actual issue on which you were "stirring the pot" for. And that's fishing when water temps are high, increasing the likelihood of mortality. And that was the lamest attempt at "stirring the pot". | ||
| BMuskyX |
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Posts: 275 | I'm not attempting to promote or encourage people to fish in high water temps. Promoting the acceptance of others choices and opinions without judgment. Jaimy | ||
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