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| Oh its just a 10mm wrench and small screwdriver. Easy peezy. Just look for the washer on the backside of the handle. They like to stick to the handle and get over looked. |
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| My reel came with no springs inside the brakes. At least there not like the rest of my Abu fleet. I am skeptical that I think there should be springs. I'm going to look at the schematics now. |
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| Fishysam - 10/20/2015 7:43 PM
My reel came with no springs inside the brakes. At least there not like the rest of my Abu fleet. I am skeptical that I think there should be springs. I'm going to look at the schematics now.
Was just a random hope to help you out. The pre-production reels I was sent had springs on the brakes that I was told to take off as they needed more brake.
Did you oil your bearing by any chance? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | cast4musky - 10/20/2015 3:20 PM
Fishysam Something Sounds FISHY...
Second that. Of course the Beast is not like the rest of your Abus. Do you know anyone else who owns a Beast? Try borrowing it if the guy trusts you not to take the thing completely apart, and see if a different reel on the same rod behaves the same for you.
Springs were pre-production. None on the production models, so being skeptical of thinking there should be springs is correct. |
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| I don't see springs in either of my Beasts I just looked. |
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| Hey. If it sounds as bad as you say and you think something is wrong with it send it to pure fishing. They will send you a new reel asap. I had a bad one and they took care of it. Have 40 hrs on the replacement burning blades over shallow weeds and its been great. |
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| Fyi On LT rods the beast and S60 are about a 1/4 higher than a NACL 60 on the same rods. The beast/S is skinnier and more ergonomic. |
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| So did the hounds miss my post about "oiling the bearings?" I had an auto correct issue changed it to "liked". But it's was 45*F and when I added oil to them there was clearly grease in them. That with the cold first day made for heavy resistance on casting. Don't tell me that the sealed bearings don't have grease. Cause they did. It's better now. Still super smooth is nice but 100$ more than a NACL for a couple feet of range isn't worth it yet. We will see in more time. have 2 days on it now. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Why are you being so difficult? People are trying to help and you just continue to be rude.
The Beast is smoother, has a far superior drag when and if you catch a big girl, is more comfortable to fish with, will be a better reel after two or three season's hard use, ...etc. I'll trade you an NACL in great shape and $100 for it.
Geez. |
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| Propster - 10/20/2015 8:50 PM
What do you mean "the gear box worked through my skin"?
When i cast my right index finger is locked under the reel. It's hard to explain but the reel rubs or digs into my finger slightly during the cast which wears through my skin. After time I've learned to back my hand down slightly while casting to prevent this. No big deal but just something I've experienced. |
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| Seems most new reels are packed with grease because manufacturers know most people will not maintain them as needed and grease lasts longer then oil. The bad part is it really will slow the reel down. |
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Location: north central wisconsin | NOFEAR - 10/21/2015 7:43 PM
Propster - 10/20/2015 8:50 PM
What do you mean "the gear box worked through my skin"?
When i cast my right index finger is locked under the reel. It's hard to explain but the reel rubs or digs into my finger slightly during the cast which wears through my skin. After time I've learned to back my hand down slightly while casting to prevent this. No big deal but just something I've experienced.
Shouldn't your left hand be on the reel during the cast if the gear box is on the right side? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Casting with your right hand? |
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Location: Metro | My NaCL wears through my skin as well. think about pushing the button down and then ripping a big cast out. right where your pointer finger knuckle is, is where he is talking about the skin getting worked off. it isn't on top of the knuckle but on the left of it if you are looking at your right pointer finger. |
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| Interesting. Got lots of hours on both the Beast and NACls and never had that kind of problem. I have noticed that the Beast has a somewhat sharp edge on the brake side if you stick your finger under the reel and not where you normally would rest your pointer finger palming the reel. There is actually a contour for your finger to rest on. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Holding it oddly is the only thing I can figure. Or casting a 'righty' casting reel with the right hand, maybe? |
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| Not sure how you get a finger there but the only sharpish spot is on the face of the frame on the bottom. |
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| Have a similar issue with an NaCl 60. I cast lefty so the reel never changes hands. When I palm the reel on a traditional reel seat (not the palming reel seat like on a Big Nasty) my middle finger wraps around underneath the gear box. The sharp inner edge of the gearbox rubs my 1st knuckle raw. Especially when throwing Dbl 10's. I do not have this issue when using other reels, including the NaCl 50. |
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Location: Tennessee | On my NaCl 60 I actually had to use a dremel to grind down and smooth out that corner to be able to palm it. After doing that it was fine, but it shouldnt have been an issue to begin with. |
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Location: MN | Well, when the old farmer had to get his horse to quit doing something he hit him with a 2 x 4. Didn't take him but one or two hits and the horse quit. How many hits will you guys require?  |
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| Wood_Duck - 10/23/2015 5:45 AM
On my NaCl 60 I actually had to use a dremel to grind down and smooth out that corner to be able to palm it. After doing that it was fine, but it shouldnt have been an issue to begin with.
can you post a photo of your mod? that will make clear precisely where you had to make modifications. thanks in advance. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Wood_Duck - 10/23/2015 7:45 AM
On my NaCl 60 I actually had to use a dremel to grind down and smooth out that corner to be able to palm it. After doing that it was fine, but it shouldnt have been an issue to begin with.
And it isn't for me, or anyone else I fish with, oddly enough. Please post a picture how you are holding that reel, I have had zero issues with either palming or regular grips witn an NACL stapped in, and certainly not the 50 or Beast. My fingers don't get behind or push up against the gear box on the handle side of the reel at all. |
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Location: Tennessee | johndtuttle - 10/23/2015 11:30 AM
Wood_Duck - 10/23/2015 5:45 AM
On my NaCl 60 I actually had to use a dremel to grind down and smooth out that corner to be able to palm it. After doing that it was fine, but it shouldnt have been an issue to begin with.
can you post a photo of your mod? that will make clear precisely where you had to make modifications. thanks in advance. : )
Don't have a pic handy with the NaCl but here is me holding a regular Toro 50 and I have no trouble with the 50. On the 60 however the wider spool allows my ring finger to ride up higher by the gear box and there is where I had to grind down the sharp corner. I circled the area where the corner is located though and jabs my finger. I've talked to 3 other guys who expressed the same issue with the 60 size.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | That is a palming grip, right? If so, you have your hand too far under the reel and too far forward. The grip is designed so you do not need to hold the reel on the right side at all. Your thumb should rest lightly on the top contour of the left faceplate. I'll shoot images of this when I get back, just discussed this over at the St Croix factory. Don't squeeze the rod seat or the reel, basically. Also, to cast correctly you should have the handle knobs pointing down during the cast. If the spool is not sky on left boat floor on right on a righty reel during the cast the reel will not cast as well as it could. |
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Location: Tennessee | I'm not sure what grip it is by name, but it's just where my hand seems comfortable at on my reels. So far though that NaCl 60 was the only issue. I'm fine on Tranx, Curado, Komodo, Toro 50, etc. |
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| Now that I have some time in with them I have to say I am extremely impressed with the 61 HS beast and especially the 61 Toro S. Both reels feel very comfortable, are very smooth, and cast very well. Compared to the other reels mentioned it's night and day in my opinion. I cannot speak to durability but they do feel very well built (if that makes any sense?).
The beasts are worth the money IMO if you have it in the budget but honestly I am blown away by the Toro S given the reel you get at that price point. Compared to other reels in that price range it's no contest IMO and I have tried all that were mentioned. I have been using it for everything from rubber to large jerkbaits and cranks and it feels awesome at the 5:3:1 ratio. |
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| I agree great reels even though I had to send one back and was sent a new one. Have about 70 hrs now and there's nothing on the market better imo. Still like the NACLs but these are just better. |
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Location: Metro | achotrod - 10/25/2015 8:07 PM
I agree great reels even though I had to send one back and was sent a new one. Have about 70 hrs now and there's nothing on the market better imo. Still like the NACLs but these are just better.
I will send a PM as well but I am just wondering how the process of sending a reel back to Abu is. I have closed my reel mid cast a couple times and heard the awful heartbreaking sound of gears grinding. I have a 2 year warranty and a 1 year gander mountain warranty. Any info on this would be great. |
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| Just box it up and send it to Pure Fishing with a note about whats wrong. There are directions in the box with the address. I sent it out on a Monday and had a new reel by Thursday. Amazingly fast turn around and they will send back you old spool with the line still on it. Cant beat that. I take it you had the Jigging handle on? |
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| Musky952 - 10/26/2015 8:57 AM
achotrod - 10/25/2015 8:07 PM
I agree great reels even though I had to send one back and was sent a new one. Have about 70 hrs now and there's nothing on the market better imo. Still like the NACLs but these are just better.
I will send a PM as well but I am just wondering how the process of sending a reel back to Abu is. I have closed my reel mid cast a couple times and heard the awful heartbreaking sound of gears grinding. I have a 2 year warranty and a 1 year gander mountain warranty. Any info on this would be great.
The reel closing mid cast should not be a warranty issue per se as it should only be a case of using the jigging handle when casting and not leaving it in a "down" position then casting?
If the pinion/spool is spinning rapidly then the reel is put in gear it will make noise, but not necessarily damage the gears. Do you feel damaged gears when cranking?
Just trying to help you troubleshoot. If the gears haven't been damaged it is easy to avoid this in the future.
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