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| Captain - 6/1/2015 8:59 AM
My guess is he wouldn't be happy with the much higher fuel bill and the increase in maintenance costs by owning a diesel when the vast majority of the time the truck is used to haul kids to soccer practice.
With the EPA restrictions on diesels now there is no benefit to having one from a MPG standpoint and considering the fuel is $.80 a gallon higher, oil changes are nearly double and other "routine" maintenance is much higher you will never recoup the extra cost of BUYING a diesel with any savings from better fuel mileage so the ONLY benefit would be better towing of which someone may spend roughly 10% of their time actually doing.
Save the money, get a half ton. I had a 5.3 with 270K miles on it. Still towed my 19' boat great. The body was starting to rust, but the engine ran perfect.
I never use cruise when towing, this way I can eliminate almost all of the shifting.
take this advice! You wont even hardly know that little 1890 , that weighs less than 3,000lbs is back there with a new Silverado. I drive plenty of diesel's for work hauling stuff you really need a diesel for. ... I fish a ton!! probably pull a boat 10% of the time, you'll love the great gas mileage when you are not towing.. again I pull a 621 that decked out is well over 1000 lbs more than a 1890 tiller. And I never wish I had a diesel, (diesels are great when you need them)
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| Just looked at gas buddy and diesel is currently 2.61 gallon and gas is 2.71 gallon. My Silverado averaged 14.5 mpg over the year I had it. My 2014 cummins has averaged 20 mpg over the last year. I put approximately 25k miles per year on a truck. At that rate I would use 1724 gallons of gas and 1200 gallons of diesel for a cost of $4672 and $3132 for a savings of 1540 per year. I change my oil every 15k pee my owners manual for $80. My local Chevy dealership charges 45 bucks per oil change every 7500 miles. That's a wash. I have my time in changing it but I also use a lot better oil than the dealer. My truck brand new was 4,000 more than a similar equipped 1500 silverado would have cost me. My return of investment would be 2.61 years. If I keep my truck the 5 years it's under warranty I would save about 3k bucks not to mention the higher resale value and increased capabilities to tow anything I want no questions asked. The numbers don't lie. Diesels have came a long way in the last 2 years overcoming the epa regulations. |
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| nice try glock,, gas is on average $ 2.73 a gallon and diesel is $2.90 a gallon in the US today.... And I drive a 6.7 L Cummins at work daily.. if you're getting 20 mpg, you're driving it like an old lady....the new 5.3 is not the old 5.3... We appreciate your minority opinions.
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Location: Lake Elmo, MN | Exactly right on those US price averages IAJustin.
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | LOL - Its more about what you really want, I can find a lot more gas stations than diesel stations in a pinch.....especially in Canada! I now have a 2004 Chevy Sliverado 2500HD w/ a gas 6.0 Vortec - yes it sounds very strange, a gas 6.0 Vortec in a HD 2500- crazy fast! - don't notice the boat - only 12.7 mph/gal on the hwy, but I don't care! The fuel door even says "use low sulfphur diesel only".
If you just want mileage, just get a VW Jetta Diesel w/ a C truck plate and drive across Kansas! Where are you towing. mountains, flat terrain? If money is that tight, give up muskie fishing or quit losing lures!
The winternet still hangs on!
Have fun!
Al
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Location: The desert | IAJustin - 6/1/2015 10:49 AM
Captain - 6/1/2015 8:59 AM
My guess is he wouldn't be happy with the much higher fuel bill and the increase in maintenance costs by owning a diesel when the vast majority of the time the truck is used to haul kids to soccer practice.
With the EPA restrictions on diesels now there is no benefit to having one from a MPG standpoint and considering the fuel is $.80 a gallon higher, oil changes are nearly double and other "routine" maintenance is much higher you will never recoup the extra cost of BUYING a diesel with any savings from better fuel mileage so the ONLY benefit would be better towing of which someone may spend roughly 10% of their time actually doing.
Save the money, get a half ton. I had a 5.3 with 270K miles on it. Still towed my 19' boat great. The body was starting to rust, but the engine ran perfect.
I never use cruise when towing, this way I can eliminate almost all of the shifting.
take this advice! You wont even hardly know that little 1890 , that weighs less than 3,000lbs is back there with a new Silverado. I drive plenty of diesel's for work hauling stuff you really need a diesel for. ... I fish a ton!! probably pull a boat 10% of the time, you'll love the great gas mileage when you are not towing.. again I pull a 621 that decked out is well over 1000 lbs more than a 1890 tiller. And I never wish I had a diesel, (diesels are great when you need them )
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| glock17c - 6/1/2015 8:01 PM
Just looked at gas buddy and diesel is currently 2.61 gallon and gas is 2.71 gallon. My Silverado averaged 14.5 mpg over the year I had it. Funny, the prices here for unleaded are $2.48 and diesel is $3.13. Plus most new gas engines run flex fuel and that is going for $1.61. |
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Location: Money, PA | What many are not realizing is there is a pretty significant difference between the 2014-2015 Silverados then previous years. I owned a 2010 for 2 years...Installed K&N filter system and dual exhaust. My factory 2014 blows that 2010 away...towing, ride and fuel economy all....I couldn't be happier with my new Chevy. |
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| ShutUpNFish - 6/2/2015 9:38 AM
What many are not realizing is there is a pretty significant difference between the 2014-2015 Silverados then previous years. I owned a 2010 for 2 years...Installed K&N filter system and dual exhaust. My factory 2014 blows that 2010 away...towing, ride and fuel economy all....I couldn't be happier with my new Chevy. I agree and I mentioned it in my first post. To compare a pre-2014 to a 2014 or 2015 is a HUGE mistake. Its a completely new engine and performs much much better, not that the prior one was a slouch because it did quite well, but the new one is far superior. |
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| I would have to disagree with diesel being higher than gas by my house its 1 cent higher for diesel than gas. It depends on where go to fuel up as prices vary a lot. Im sorry a gas engine truck is never going to pull anything easier than a diesel truck. Diesels are made for pulling and last twice as long as gas engines. Thiers more EPA rules on diesels than gas and diesels are now cleaner and more fuel efficient than gas. Diesels have progressed a lot in the last 10 years alone (Im a diesel mechanic) The reason diesel fuel is usealy more expensive than gas is theres more taxes on diesel fuel, the taxes vary from state to state and besides diesel fuel like kerosene is a by product of refining. It realy should be about a dollar a gallon, but they see all those semis on the highway that hold hundreds of gallons and they want fuel tax from them. All locomotives, school buses, UPS trucks, Fed Ex trucks are all diesels for a reason. |
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| I did my calculations based on where I live not the entire us as 90% of the countries prices do not affect me. what year is your 6.7 cummins at work? I would guess its older than 2012 and has a clogged DPF. the pre 2013 6.7 trucks had horrible mpg because the diesel market had not figured out how to clean the exhaust efficiently. Now all 3 diesel heavy duty trucks use exhaust fluid to keep the exhaust filter clean. before you make some comment about the extra cost for that, I pay about 14 bucks for 3 gallons and that 3 gallons last me 15-18 thousand miles, big deal. One of my best friends owns a 2015 Silverado and its not that much different like you make it out to be. they have about 35 more hp than the previous models. if 35 hp makes that big of a difference for you to be impressed you definitely have never experienced real power. sounds to me like a bunch of guys that have wives that will not let them buy diesels, doesn't mean you have to hate on those of us that can. |
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| hard to disagree with facts.. nationwide diesel is 17 cents per gallon higher than gas .. in Iowa its anywhere from .10- .30 cents higher than gas.... Has anyone said a gas engine will out pull a diesel? If you have a 28' - 35' Salmon boat get a diesel truck to pull it !!! Get a ranger 621 (or any 21' Fiberglass boat) or any boat smaller than 21', a diesel is simply overkill. unless you plan to pull something bigger than your standard muskie boat. Love diesels...they are great for pulling 15,000 Lb excavators around 
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| we have 5 trucks with 6.7's.. actually the rechipped 2012 with all the "junk" taken off, gets the best ...gets 19 hwy miles ....and about 16 mpg on average per year.... the 3 new stock 2014's we have get worse mpg than that.. 13-14 mpg. |
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| It has been staying less than or equal to gas for a long time here in Kentucky, you have flat straight roads in Iowa. Pull that same rig on curvy and hilly roads and see what you think, or pull it over Jelico mountain in Tennessee and see what it does.
I just checked AAA and the average U.S. price is 2.75 for gas and 2.82 for diesel. assuming an average of 20 mpg and 14.5 still have a savings of $1216.38 per year. for those of you doubting my average mpg, im seeing 20 mpg driving a mix of in town and back roads, 23-25 on the interstate and 17 towing. all of my calculations are true hand calculations based on how much fuel I replace in my tank. curious to how many people are using the computer in the truck to calculate the MPG of there new truck. |
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| I'll take the math from a computer vs someone from Kentucky any day! |
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| I don't know what your doing to your 14's to get that bad, I towed a 30' tag along camper and was getting 14.5. of course these are work trucks and im sure all of the employees are using them as if they are personal vehicles. If they are service vehicles I would say its also safe to say these trucks are left running while not in use a lot more than a typical guy would see. Service vehicles aren't a good way to justify, go ask your local police dept. what kind of mpg's they get in there cruisers... my town did a study and found the best crown vic in the fleet was averaging 4 mpg. if you owned a crown vic and drove it as a family vehicle im sure you would see in the neighborhood of 18-22 mpg. |
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| Well Iowa Justin you can make fun of Kentucky all I want but you just made your self look like an incompetent dumb ass. If you have to rely on a computer in your truck because you can not calculate simple math equations, you my friend are below 2 standard deviation of the national average IQ level and are Intellectually Disabled. |
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Location: Lake Elmo, MN | National Average prices for 2015 (June 1) are $2.78 for gasoline and $2.91 for diesel. These are numbers used in the business of petrochemical refining and tracked almost daily. AAA gets their numbers from random samples. I don't trust AAA to do anything more than tow. They do a good job with that but their knowledge of Fluid Catalytic Crackers and their economics is fairly limited I think. Either way.....diesel trucks are really nice....so are 1/2 tons. Like 'em all !!! |
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Location: Hayward, WI | I guess this is a pretty big deal...
How about this: I pull my Tuffy 1760GT with a 96 1/2 ton Chevy with a 5.7 liter. Have around 140,000 miles on it. It does just fine. It will downshift on bigger hills if I'm in overdrive but I feel it does the job.
From what I gather, the 1890 doesn't weigh that much more than the 1760, and it sounds like the 2014/2015 Chevys are pretty nice rigs. I'm sure they will handle that 1890 just fine. If a guy wanted a diesel, just because he can, that that would most certainly handle it with ease.
My buddy just bought a 2015 2500 HD Denali diesel with all the bells and whistles - every option but the entertainment package. What is the biggest thing he regularly pulls? A 2 place snomobile trailer. Does he need that truck? NO WAY! He just likes big cool toys and that's how he's always spent his money because that's what he likes.
Tucker
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| Thanks for the numbers PSAGuy, I recalculated the numbers and you still save 1155.60 yearly. Even though I am from Kentucky and stupid according to IAJustin, I was able to easily recalculate the numbers based on the spreadsheet I created in Excel. Rather than opinion of people like IAJustin, I collect my own data and calculate my own facts to make justifiable decisions. Sounds like you may do the same. I like them all as well but I decided a year ago to step up to the diesel and as long as I get the performance and reliability I get now I will not look back. I plan on buying a camper in a couple of years when my daughter gets old enough to enjoy it and I will not have to upgrade trucks when that time comes. Before I traded my truck in, I calculated the numbers based on the current market and I was able to step up to a 3/4 ton diesel and save money. If diesel trucks were still averaging 12 mpg like the first DPF trucks, the numbers would not have worked in my favor. 1/2 ton trucks will tow any musky rig, just depends on if you want just enough or the extra diesel has to offer. Each individual has to look at how much he uses it to tow and what environments he will be towing his rig in. One of my fishing partners lives 15 minutes from the lake so it is not beneficial for him to own the diesel. I live 1 hour from the local lake and travel 6 to 7 hours for annual fishing trips 3-5 times per year.
If anybody is interested in the ultimate family vehicle, check out the Duraburb's. Guys in florida take Yukon xl's and suburban's and drop duramax's in them. fantasy land for me because the cost is crazy but sweet rides for sure. |
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| Thanks for all the replys
that being said I never wanted to start a debate over gas vs diesel
simply was asking thoughts on a silverado with a 5.3 I work for a large lawn/ landscape firm in the twin cities where we have an ass load of 2500hd diesel and 6.0 gas they all have there place my personal vehicle is a 2005 suburban 2500 and have always had 2500/3500 for over 20yrs reason being is for snow removal was thinking of trading in the suburban on a 1500 with a 5.3 the gas mileage and ride got my attention I fish alot but drive more
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| glock17c - 6/2/2015 1:45 PM
Well Iowa Justin you can make fun of Kentucky all I want but you just made your self look like an incompetent dumb ass. Coming from the guy who said this: "sounds to me like a bunch of guys that have wives that will not let them buy diesels, doesn't mean you have to hate on those of us that can."
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| Captain, what do you even drive now? All you talk about is your friends truck and the one you use to have? Do you even own a truck anymore? I agree, my comment made me look to be an ass but not an incompetent dumb ass. I am very competent and able to make educated decisions based on facts, not he said she said from people that wish they could own it. I typically do not make statements as such, but I was rather irritated when IAJustin insinuated I was stupid because I am from Kentucky. Yes, we have our fair share of lazy ass welfare recipient pill heads but no more than any other state in this country. I went to college straight out of high school and now work as a Manufacturing Engineer for one of the largest companies in the world. What have you done with your life IAJustin? |
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Location: Hayward, WI | glock17c - 6/2/2015 5:07 PM
Captain, what do you even drive now? All you talk about is your friends truck and the one you use to have? Do you even own a truck anymore? I agree, my comment made me look to be an ass but not an incompetent dumb ass. I am very competent and able to make educated decisions based on facts, not he said she said from people that wish they could own it. I typically do not make statements as such, but I was rather irritated when IAJustin insinuated I was stupid because I am from Kentucky. Yes, we have our fair share of lazy ass welfare recipient pill heads but no more than any other state in this country. I went to college straight out of high school and now work as a Manufacturing Engineer for one of the largest companies in the world. What have you done with your life IAJustin?
You do sound really smart. Attacking everyone really raises the bar on the intellectual level scale.
You're pretty new here. Sometimes you realize your skin just has to thicken up a little and roll with it. Being able to take a joke doesn't hurt either. It's just gas vs diesel, man.
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| Never intended to attack anyone it i hate when people receive bad advice based on bad information and them try to say I'm stupid because I'm from kentucky. I have made bad purchases in the past based on bad advice. Actually I went from a 3/4 ton gas truck to a 1/2 ton truck a few years ago because I listened to all of the opinions. Never was satisfied with the half ton trucks. Sorry if I offended anyone didn't mean to. Just tried stating a few facts and people take it personal when facts prove wives tails wrong. |
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Location: The desert | Love some good wives tail.... |
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| Is there bad tail? |
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| Well yeah about the Chevy 1/2 ton debate.....You know the "Chevy Silveraydo's" really aren't made out of tornado's right??
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Location: The desert | glock17c - 6/2/2015 8:12 PM
Is there bad tail?
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| glock17c - 6/2/2015 5:07 PM
Captain, what do you even drive now? All you talk about is your friends truck and the one you use to have? Do you even own a truck anymore? I agree, my comment made me look to be an ass but not an incompetent dumb ass. I am very competent and able to make educated decisions based on facts, not he said she said from people that wish they could own it. I typically do not make statements as such, but I was rather irritated when IAJustin insinuated I was stupid because I am from Kentucky. Yes, we have our fair share of lazy ass welfare recipient pill heads but no more than any other state in this country. I went to college straight out of high school and now work as a Manufacturing Engineer for one of the largest companies in the world. What have you done with your life IAJustin?
You really want to know?.. I'm 41 years old, 4 year business degree, I've started and sold my shares of 2 corporations... 621 is paid, 2014 Silverado paid, house paid, could write a check today for a dozen of your beloved Cummins diesels... will retire at age 50, maybe sooner ..I'm doing just fine, thanks for asking. |
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