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Location: Money, PA | Using wood arrows is a choice to be nostalgic more so than believing they are more effective or more durable or overall better. The point was obviously missed.
Bottom line and point is who cares what the material used is, as long as the builders do their best to make sure the lures are effective for catching fish. Some people use wood then cake 6 coats of epoxy on top, essentially turning wood into plastic...lol. Again, as long as the bait does the job.....After that its the choice of the consumer to buy what they want. However, if a consumer ONLY buys because lures are wooden for the sake of being wood; I cannot help but to say that is shear ignorance, stubbornness or nonsense. It is what it is. |
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| i love my Headlocks for the action and results regardless of what's inside the paintjob.
at the same time, i like feeling that i'm being dealt with in an open manner, especially when paying that much money for a lure. a good example is when Suick introduced plastic versions of their baits, they made it very clear what you were buying and you have the option of getting one or the other based on your choice and your preference as the consumer. if there's been a change to the material for some Headlocks, hopefully this will be out in the open just as a way to help how people "feel" about it.
and, the fish won't know the difference and will still lose their minds over 'em...
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Location: On the water | When I purchased my Headlock, I didn’t think about how it was made,
but only the reputation of the lure itself. And I can’t wait to try it.
Good Luck to All, Tom |
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Location: WI | This is why I was upset. I have no doubt that once dialed in the will run more consistent than ever. But from what I had heard there was a lot of testing to do yet. For that money I too want to know what I'm getting.
First thing I did when my buddy contacted me about his resin ones, Is I drilled a hole in the belly of my most recent purchase from duff. I bought it only a few weeks before the Chicago show and was second-guessing if that one was wood or not. Hopefully they come out and say something about this. My feeling is that they will not until after the MN show unless forced. |
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Location: Money, PA | I totally agree, the consumer should know what a bait is made from or if there is a change in materials....Absolutely!
That said, if the manufacturer told you he was making his new lures from a new more efficient and tougher material....plastic, foam, dirt or rocks for that matter; would you give it a try? It sounds to me like some here commenting would not and completely turn their backs the way things sound here and IMHO, that is downright ridiculous (but to each his own). If the manufacturer sets his/her price at $35 or $80 or $100 its no matter....their price is based on a clear calculation of demand and the time he puts into his work NOT the material! And his final decision on price is really nobody else's business - you either buy it or you don't.... |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | ShutUpNFish - 2/3/2015 1:22 PM
I totally agree, the consumer should know what a bait is made from or if there is a change in materials....Absolutely!
That said, if the manufacturer told you he was making his new lures from a new more efficient and tougher material....plastic, foam, dirt or rocks for that matter; would you give it a try? It sounds to me like some here commenting would not and completely turn their backs the way things sound here and IMHO, that is downright ridiculous (but to each his own). If the manufacturer sets his/her price at $35 or $80 or $100 its no matter....their price is based on a clear calculation of demand and the time he puts into his work NOT the material! And his final decision on price is really nobody else's business - you either buy it or you don't....
What this guy said. |
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Location: Sycamore, IL | If anyone got a resin Headlock that they want to sell shoot me a PM...I would probably take it off your hands! |
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| How do you know if it's wood or plastic?? |
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| I prefer wood,,,that's why I take cialis |
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| Ignorance? Why because I like things a certain way. Maybe the fish don`t care but they don`t buy the lures. |
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| I bought two headlocks at the Chicago muskie show, both resin. I would confidently say 75% of the baits he had there were resin. You can tell by looking at the top ridge of the bait. If it is a little flat on the top, it is resin. If it is perfectly round, it is wood. |
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| I'm not one to start or take part in these controversies, but after seeing this thread I went and checked out my three recent purchases of Supernatural Big Baits...
Upon inspection, one is clearly resin, two are clearly wood. The paint where the screw is inserted under the lip is tell-tale. The paint on the wood ones is a bit cracked from insertion of the screw (from where the wood "gave" a bit), and I can see wood underneath. The other bait has very clean lines to it where the screw is inserted. I decided to "knock" on the baits...the sound was completely different between the resin bait and the two wood baits. It was then I noticed how much heavier the resin bait seemed to my hand (on a comparable size basis). So I got the scale out:
10" Headlock (purchased from Big Wood Musky Lures in Early Jan) = 7.2oz (Resin)
12" Headlock (purchased at Chicago Musky Expo) = 6.5oz (Wood)
12" Mattlock (purchased at Chicago Musky Expo) = 8oz (Wood)
As the previous noted by the above poster, the resin bait has bit more "flat" top, and it's especially noticeable on the "nose" of the bait looking down towards the lip.
Now, I'm not going to make any accusations one way or the other, but I will just post how I "feel":
1.)Most important of all my "feelings" - nobody can tell me given the weight differential that these baits are going to run "the same" regardless of the material. The smaller headlock is clearly heavier on a shorter length and will move differently in the water. I'm not judging whether this is good or bad. It's just "not the same".
2.)I 100% agree with those that posted that this should have been stated up front by the maker. If a baits reputation has been built on a certain make, material, action, etc...then the maker decides to change it and sell it under the same pretense then that is wrong (IMHO). The customer has 100% right to know what he/she is getting, so they can make the most informed choice possible.
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Location: MN | Im sure the maker doesn't know what to do at this point. Why they thought they could pass a change off with out someone noticing boggles the mind. I bet there sales drop till they address this issue and even then sales might never recover. Hope the extra few bucks they made was worth peeing their reputation away. |
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| I also got two only to realize they are resin. The issue for me is that there is just too much $$ to risk on the unknown. I would have waited to hear about the differences and made my decision with an open mind if the info was made available. It is my right to be able to make an informed decision as a consumer, is it not? |
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| gopackgo - 2/4/2015 9:11 PM
I also got two only to realize they are resin. NOT HAPPY! Too much $$ to risk on the unknown. I would have waited to hear about the differences and made my decision with an open mind if the info was made available. It is my right to be able to make an informed decision as a consumer, is it not?
Exactly. |
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Location: WI | One of my buddies sent his back to duff in exchange for wood. |
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| Just confirmed with a buddy of mine that his 10" Headlock purchased at Chicago Musky Expo is made of resin. |
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Location: Planet Meltdown | I purchased a 10" Headlock from Bigwood a few weeks ago, one of the ones left over from the Chicago show. It was resin. I contacted Duff and he was more than happy to replace it. I received my replacement today and Duff even refunded my shipping charges. I've got nothing against resin baits I'd just rather wait to get feedback on them before dropping the coin. |
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| Can someone please pm me Duff's contact info? Much appreciated! |
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Location: WI | [email protected] |
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| Clarification just received directly from Duff. He states that "All the blanks have a flat all the way around the circumference, a flat spot in necessary for the cutter's reference" regardless of whether wood or resin.
As such, I don't know how to determine the makeup of the lure, but he also informed me that anyone who purchased from Big Wood Tackle recently received wood (confirmed by Kyle at Big Wood). So, I will rest under the assumption that the one's I received, which both have a slightly flattened area on top, are in fact wood.
I've asked Duff to address this himself on this post. We'll see . . . |
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| I would think you'll want some of each for different situations. I've definately seen where the big girls prefer big wood over plastic, unless plastic is all they have in front of them.. |
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Location: Money, PA | lol....some of you guys crack me up! |
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Location: Minnesota: where it's tough to be a sportsfan! | I think we are dealing with a misconception here more than anything. A resin or plastic bait if injection molded is as good if not better than a wood bait. Unfortunately a part of each bait sold needs to help pay for that mold. A cheapo around $10K a multi cavity with weighting inserts...up to $70K. There's not much cheap about plastics anymore when it comes down to engineered resins. You can dial the specific gravity to the point where you do not need weighting even. You can multishot the bait to layer heavier material on the bottom. I do a number of bait repairs each winter, I would much rather rep[air a plastic bait than a wood one. You can never match the density of a piece of wood with repairs. |
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| The point isn't about cost in making the lure -- it's about knowing what one is getting. Does it run the same or different? Does it hold up the same or different? I like to be well informed about my big purchases BEFORE I make them, not after. |
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| Yes this thread is quite interesting; it really shows how peculiar people can be. It seems like some folks here even have an agenda... Funny thing is that for me if I bought a wood bait and found out a resin bait was available I would be wanting to exchange it for the resin one. I would have confidence knowing I have a good working bait because the density is per the designers specification with no variations. I would know it’s a bait that will last much longer and stay consistent. And from Duff’s perspective, anything underneath that top coat could be considered proprietary information, he’s doesn’t have to say a thing about how it’s made. Some of the designs on the bait have already been copied. |
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| Mike, not when they are listed as made from Western Red Cedar when in fact they are now plastic. We were led to believe these were the cedar ones that we all fell in love with. Had I known they weren't wood, I would have waited on buying them until I heard that they run exactly like the wood ones. We were all mislead. |
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| Chlohop wrote: Mike, not when they are listed as made from Western Red Cedar when in fact they are now plastic. We were led to believe these were the cedar ones that we all fell in love with. Had I known they weren't wood, I would have waited on buying them until I heard that they run exactly like the wood ones. We were all mislead.
BINGO! |
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Location: WI | Mike, as said before the issue is not whether resin is a good product to make a strong consistent bait. It is rather, that we who recently bought a bait for top dollar were lead to believe that it was made of wood. Just like all the other baits that made this brand so popular. If tested properly you could make a very good argument that it would be a better bait. But as stated by them to one of us, there needed to be extensive water time before made available.
This is not a hidden agenda on my part. This is the fact that I recently purchased two baits at 80+ bucks a piece and now have. To wonder.
When I buy a bait from you or hammer I know what I am getting. I am getting a quality resin bait that had a proven record. And that's a 20 something dollar bait. The same should be said for anyone else. Especially at such a high price. Say what you will but that's my piece. I as a consumer am disappointed. |
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Location: WI | Mine are made out of musky crack. They work. Who gives a hoot what's under the clear coat. I'm sure people will have no problem selling theirs, as long as they didn't drill into them to feed their curiosity. |
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