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| Remember, R&D is expensive. So is making stuff in the USA. It's too pricey for me but the blue ones are too. Plenty of people out there that can and will buy them. Saving a few ounces isn't going to stop fatigue for my aging butt and I don't see where it would put more fish in the net. The technology is to be admired that's for sure . |
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Location: Almond, WI | The Big Nasty is the only 9' rod I've ever liked (yes, I've also used Okumas, TIs and a few customs). I'm 5'7" and find really long rods uncomfortable, and I loathe 18" butt sections, also not a fan of split grips. I'm just glad SC still gives the regular grip on LTs and Premiers. 8'6" rods are perfect for me. I'm open to it, but probably a little out of my price range. |
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| Did they lengthen the handle on this series or are they still short like the Lt's and the premiers? |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | having a new truck, a new boat and the newest technology st. croix rod should be afforded by anyone who wants to be a musky fisherman or else it's what, not fair?
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| Totally not what I ment flambeauski, I know they sell a lot of them and I'm sure there's already guys standing in line to buy these new Legend elites.
Just not this guy. |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | My take on the rods: they're a bit amazing when you pick them up. If you like a split grip rod and you've got the money, check them out. If you dont have the money, or don't like the split grip, or want a longer rod, there are lots of other options out there. |
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Location: Smith Creek | Brand new Rangers are too expensive for me, but I don't write long posts about why I will not buy them every time a Ranger thread comes up.
BTW, St. Croix decided which versions to build based on sales of all their muskie rods. The folks on this website might not agree with the models being built, but in a way had a part in the decision. |
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| I personally don't see why people get so excited about the light weight of the rod when they turn around and throw a massive tranx reel on top of it. Defeats the point....kind of like today's new compound bows...fighting over ounces yet we throw heavy sights and stabilizers on them. |
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Location: Hayward, WI | sworrall - 1/11/2015 9:07 PM
Who said there WILL NOT eventually be a 9' rod in the series? No one. The 8'6" won't be available until April.
And, the core muskie market is not 9' or 9' plus rods by a very long shot. The 'extremes' seem common place here, but many times what seems 'majority' here isn't in the broader Muskie market.
Not really arguing, and I can understand the lengths St. Croix started with, and we don't yet know a 9 footer won't be available at some point.
I'll just say this though: Doesn't a $500 rod kind of target a more extreme end of the musky rod market? Pretty much all of the serious/extreme guys I know are using 9'+ long rods. The guys getting started, not wanting to spend a lot of money, without knowing seem to think a 8'6" or 9' rod is SOOO much longer than what they are used to they shy away from them.
I'm surprised a 9 isn't in the "for sure" line up, but I understand people with more industry experience and forecasting information than me made those decisions. |
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Location: Smith Creek | Mr Musky - 1/12/2015 11:20 AM
Did they lengthen the handle on this series or are they still short like the Lt's and the premiers?
16" to the bottom of the reel seat on the 8'6"s and 15" on the other 2. |
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| I'm neither for, nor against, a 9 foot rod, or a $500+ rod. It is all about personal choice.
But the issue I see with 9 foot rods is balance. I have a Big Nasty, thanks to this website and it's buy/sell forum. Love that rod. But the balance on that rod is an issue. I've found that a butt cap with a few washers in it helps the rod out. So I would venture a guess that Croix hasn't really figured out the balance point on this new rod with it's lighter weight.
And personally, I won't be buying one. I've got no issues with the dozen or so rods that I currently throw. Gotta save my money for the new Ulterra. To me that is a better spend of money. |
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Location: South-Central VA | I'm a huge fan of these rods- whether they offer me a blank to do a custom on or not! I realize that not everyone likes them, and that's fine. I've yet to see a product that pleases everyone.
I told Rich that I want a factory 8'6" H as soon as I can get my hands on one. The plan is to strip it and build the baddest custom on the planet for myself.
I asked the other dude at the St Croix booth (can't remember his name 'cause I'm an idiot) why build this rod? His answer was simple, "to set the bar for musky rods." He said this was the result of the perfect storm between the development of St Croix's SC5 material and Fuji's Titanium guides with Torzite inserts. The result is a rod that has to be experienced to be believed.
These rods aren't being built for the masses the same way Lamborghinis aren't built for the masses. They are being built for those who are willing to sacrifice a wad of cash for the muskie rod built out of the finest materials on the market.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | curleytail - 1/12/2015 12:17 PM sworrall - 1/11/2015 9:07 PM
Who said there WILL NOT eventually be a 9' rod in the series? No one. The 8'6" won't be available until April.
And, the core muskie market is not 9' or 9' plus rods by a very long shot. The 'extremes' seem common place here, but many times what seems 'majority' here isn't in the broader Muskie market.
Not really arguing, and I can understand the lengths St. Croix started with, and we don't yet know a 9 footer won't be available at some point. I'll just say this though: Doesn't a $500 rod kind of target a more extreme end of the musky rod market? Pretty much all of the serious/extreme guys I know are using 9'+ long rods. The guys getting started, not wanting to spend a lot of money, without knowing seem to think a 8'6" or 9' rod is SOOO much longer than what they are used to they shy away from them. I'm surprised a 9 isn't in the "for sure" line up, but I understand people with more industry experience and forecasting information than me made those decisions.
As I said....I am certain St. Croix has a far better handle on what is selling than any of us. |
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| IAJustin - 1/11/2015 7:59 PM
Cedar - 1/11/2015 6:12 PM
Well, I'm a reasonably serious musky guy. Will probably buy at least one of those, and I don't want a 9' rod. So, there is maybe some room for us guys who like those wimpy 8'6" rods too. 
St. Croix missed the boat here.... Serious muskie guys... those that would spend $500 on a rod will want 9' rods.... I bet 50% custom rods being ordered the last three years are over 8'6". I might buy one these Elite's if they made a nice 9'6"...since I already have (5 ) 9' rods |
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| well i guess you need a 500$ rod to go along with a 500$ reel... that rod ain't gonna make me a better fisherman, i ain't gonna buy one. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I tried several times to respond to the last post, but can't seem to without breaking forum posting policy. |
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Location: Minnesota. | I'm glad I'm near broke. Takes the pressure right off...*G*
I came close to having sleep in my boat a couple times last year with bamboo fly rods!
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Location: Minnesota | My last 3 rods I bought are predator H - 9 , XH - 9'8"and XXH - 9'8" all 3 were custom Thorn Bros rods all 3 were under 500 bucks.sounds like nice rods but they have to be very nice for me not to buy a custom rod. |
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| sworrall - 1/12/2015 5:14 PM
I tried several times to respond to the last post, but can't seem to without breaking forum posting policy.
Now thats funny stuff !
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | muskyhunter47 - 1/12/2015 6:36 PM
My last 3 rods I bought are predator H - 9 , XH - 9'8"and XXH - 9'8" all 3 were custom Thorn Bros rods all 3 were under 500 bucks.sounds like nice rods but they have to be very nice for me not to buy a custom rod.
Read Tuscarora Tackle's (bowhunter29) posts above. He builds some of the nicest customs on the planet. I have one, on a top of the line from two years ago St. Croix blank. It's extremely nice, but the new St. Croix trumps it. My next custom will be built by Tuscarora, and will be on that blank with those guides when available. It will be expensive, and the last 8'6" rod I will need to buy.
I'm ancient.
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| Way too much money...sorry !! Last four St. Croix Rods I bought were $300 each I CAN afford them however won"t spend that much for one at over $500. I beleive Marty when he says Wow ! and don't doubt them. My girls think I'm thirfty...Not Cheap...however they would think I'm crazy if I bought them...NOT for me ! |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | What truck do you drive? What boat do you own?
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| Another thing worth thinking about is that if they position this rod @ $500's, it makes their LT series seem a lot more reasonable. I personally can't wait for people to start ditching their Big Nasty's and Sling Blades. I'll pick one of these up when they come out with the legend extreme musky series. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | sworrall - 1/12/2015 8:33 PM
What truck do you drive? What boat do you own?
don't you mean what bank owns your truck and what bank owns your boat? |
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Location: Minnesota | Tuscarora has very nice rods looked at them. there nice but thorn Bros is in my back yard. If I have a problem they fix it for me. That and they treat me very good. It's like " Cheers " I walk in the store every one knows my name |
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Location: mercer wi | This is great. 30 below here all weekend. This is great entertainment. Lets keep tryn to prove whos right. Buy one if you want or dont buy one. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Exactly. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | jonnysled - 1/12/2015 8:42 PM
sworrall - 1/12/2015 8:33 PM
What truck do you drive? What boat do you own?
don't you mean what bank owns your truck and what bank owns your boat?
Come on sled, these guys all pay cash. |
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| I traded a st. croix for mine... |
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