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Location: Detroint Lakes, MN | My point is that all anglers need to admit that pressure (or stress on fish due to catching, whatever you want to call it) is just as "bad" whether it's in a tournament or otherwise.
I fish one tournament a year these days, the MI chapter challunge.
I'm not going to try to convince anyone that our tournament is less detrimental to the fishery because we're "experts" at fish handling. Our impact is as great as anybody else's.
Guest, why do you feel those that don't fish tournaments don't care about the resource? Not one member if my MI club fishes "money" tournaments.
JS
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| does the MAC have a website? |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Here it is, as previously posted. It'll be finished very soon.
http://www.muskieanglerscircuit.com/ |
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Location: Aurora, IL. | John,
You made a very reasonable arguement long ago. And I beleive initially with the best intentions. Many of us "Pros" (please) do take exception to your accusations. Before we became "Pros" we also fished recreationally. Believe it or not us "Pros" fish even now recreationally. I think you'll agree everyone reading these posts is a fairly seasoned musky angler even if they are not referred to as a "Pro". The anglers I fish with "Pro" or not would sooner dive in the lake and give mouth to mouth to that fish and try and revive it than give disregard.
I suspect you and all your "Non Pro" pals would do the same. There isnt a "Pro" that would suggest otherwise.
Please stick to your original cause of pressure on fisheries where I believe we can find common ground and not on measuring one groups commitment level or skill level against the other. Unless... you'd like to fish one of those "Big money tournaments" and show us what you got!
Joe
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Location: Detroint Lakes, MN |
My intent wasn't to measure one's skill level against the other, actually the opposite.
I believe different skill levels, or maybe a better term is levels of experience exist
in the tournament crowd as well as the non-tournament crowd.
So we all have equal impacts on the fishery as far as pressure/stress is concerned.
I don't think it's accurate to potray tournament fishermen as more fish friendly or more caring of the resource than those that don't fish them.
But that does not mean I don't aknowledge that many/most tournament fishermen are caring of the resource and the fish they pursue.
JS
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | I'm really looking forward to fishing this trail...... Can't wait...... Who else is interested enough to put up the time and money to experence something really cool, and entertaining, while doing something you love ?
Musky Fishing..........?????.....Do you think there will be muskies in Heaven?
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Location: Monee, Illinois | I received the information today in the mail thanks for the quick response... |
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| Another "Yes", sound's like a good time and it helps the sport reach a new level. |
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Location: Smith Creek | I like the bump board and photo format, but there will be no way to dock points for fish that are released dead. It might be far fetched, but how about tagging caught fish so floaters can be identified? I know, far fetched... just a thought. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Tagging would not be allowed by the DNR's of any state, and holding the fish longer to place the tag would be more harmful, IMO. |
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Location: Eau Claire, WI | Flambeauski, I agree it would be great to be able to i.d. mortality to its source.
However in WI, you'd need a scientific collector's permit to tag. Not that it couldn't be done but would be a logistical challenge getting permits for all anglers to do so. If limited to tournament officials only then the fish would be held until an official arrived and that basically destroys the whole immediate release premise of the digital photo/bump board format.
Jon
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| As of now I am planning on fishing 2 of these but it may be more.
I am waiting to see what is going to happen to the final schedule. It would seem that a few things could change slightly.
I dont think they are taking deposits yet and I hope they dont start till they have the tourney permits confirmed.
Steve I spoke with TJ at the show and he gave me and my partner some info on the starting positions and how that will be done. Have you come up with a final game plan?
Also when do you plan on taking deposits? I would hope it is not till after the permits are given the OK?
As a dedicated tournament angler and guide I think all people on this site have equal goals.
Trying to say that one group treats the fish or the water better or one form of pressure is differnt than a another simply a waist of time.
Some of these debates get a little far fetched you can tell it is the winternet season. |
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| Another "Yes", sound's like a good time and it helps the sport reach a new level
Topdog,
It's fair to say there are two directions of a new level.
As some have tried to say any negitive impact may not take to sport to the level you may be hoping for.
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Location: ladysmith, wi | i was just told this morning that the bridge on 27 by swedes will be under construction all this summer and that they will not be allowing boat traffic to pass under bridge while they are working on it thus cutting off the east side of holcombe just passing this info along and if this is true has the MAC accounted for this |
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Location: Monee, Illinois | I have one question I received your information, what is the minn number of entries to run each sites event?
Edited by pgaschulz 1/24/2009 12:08 PM
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Location: Detroint Lakes, MN | Steve;
Which leads to another question about said MI tournament. Our permit is for Aug. 26th - 28th. on Leech.
As per a conversation with MNDNR, you will not be permitted to run on the Sat.-Sun. you are advertising your dates for.
Are you going to choose Fri-Sat. or Sun. Mon. ?
We would definately prefer the Fri-Sat. out of consideration for our event, which was scheduled before yours.
John Skarie
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Firday and Saturday, if that's the bidding of the DNR, it will be. Not because of 'your' event being scheduled before 'ours', but because, for once, you asked a reasonable question/presented a situation MAC is willing to respond to reasonably.
There is, at this time, no minimum field of contestants.
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Location: Monee, Illinois | Thanks Steve |
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| is there a guesstimate on when the dates will be finalized?
it's time to start planning vacations, etc. and it would help to plan for pre-fishing, etc.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | A few days, Mike. The process is pretty close to complete now. |
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| Where are you getting the bumpboards from.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Bumpboards are narrowed down to two suppliers at this point, but still open to bids. The Muskie Anglers Circuit will be purchasing 125 boards. |
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| Who do I need to talk to so I could bid on them? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Send an email to the Muskie Anglers Circuit.
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| Thank You. |
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| Good to see ego over fisheries. NOT!  |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | What? I don't have any idea what you are trying to say. |
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| A tourny on the busiest time of year oh by the way the 3rd one in 4 weeks during the hisoricly highest H2O temps of the year. Some of us in MN would like to get new waters but I'm afraid with all of you tourny guys ripping around prefishing & stuff just gives the anti-muskie people more motive to fight any new lake efforts. IMHO. |
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Location: The desert | Ripping around and fishing dont really go hand in hand. Hard to do both. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | dc,
First, you need to read everything that's been said here. Second, you need to check with the MAC to see when the MAC event on Vemiilion ( I believe that's what you are referring to) is scheduled now. Third, Hartmans is the week before the days we originally requested (and HE originally requested the same dates MAC did), tell me what average temps are that week. We checked, and usually, temps are well within limits for safe muskie handling and release. Additionally, MAC wouldn't have gone ahead if overly warm waters (unlikely) were a problem, working with the Tower Fisheries folks had we been scheduled for those dates. As was said but you didn't bother to read, we would have rescheduled.
There's more Walleye and Bass events by a long shot, in MN, right? Many on Muskie waters, right?
Fourth, as was said, 'ripping around' isn't what these guys do, they mostly fish.
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