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| Hahaha great play by play. I just laughed at each post remembering when those people said it. It was a great meeting and a packed house full of muskie supporters, wish we could have all moved to a bar after it was over and shot the poo for a while with everyone. |
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| Pointerpride102 - 10/29/2015 10:23 PM
Pepper - 10/29/2015 7:20 PM
Does salty mean he swears? Or just a crusty old geezer
Yes. Lol.
He was angry at just about everything. Swearing and yelling at the fisheries guy from my office about the crappies getting eaten.
His wife was angry too. They showed up angry.
Sure did show up angry. A small group of us got a bit of a laugh when this guy walked into room, looked around, saw an orange musky sticker on every body in sight and says "f***ers!". This is the type that came with an extreme bias, listened to probably nothing, and left with the same opinion and will continue thinking that until the day he leaves the earth. No sense in trying to convince this type of guy. It is impossible.
I thought the meeting was good. Rob Kim's comment on our DNR being the gold standard across North America was fantastic. Pretty easy to pick up a news paper or go online and find alot of DNR bashing. I was very impressed with the DNR tonight. They have a plan and as long as they can and manage to execute the plan, all of us will be winners. If I came away with anything gained tonight, it was a strengthened confidence in the MNDNR and not just related to muskies. They are some smart people doing very tough jobs and I am now more appreciative of that! |
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| Awesome turnout. The small opposition did a really great job of proving their ignorance. I couldn't believe how little homework they did before coming. The worst was the excuses that it was "poorly attended" because of time of year. Basically saying we are a bunch of astroturfers. David was the one that called for this meeting at this time. It was pretty obvious how little support this man has in his crusade against muskies. Thanks for coming in from all over for this everyone. |
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| Huge thank you to the hundred plus musky folks that showed up for the meeting in Fergus tonight! It was a great success and show of unity. The DNR did an awesome job with facts supporting the musky program. The next step is to contact your own state representatives in support of musky stalking state wide and express muskies do not harm our fisheries.  |
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Location: Forest Lake, Mn. | @bigfoot
Someone correct me if I'm wrong because I was in the back and didn't hear everything, but as far as where we go from here nothing really is settled and chipped in stone. Near as I understand, the Pelican Lake Assoc. has filed an injunction to stop muskie stocking for this fall. That is before a Judge right now and the D.N.R. cannot comment on litigation to which they're a party to. So we're in a holding pattern about that until the Judge rules.
One comment I heard from someone on the Panel was that whatever happens now doesn't set a Precedent for future stop muskie stocking complaints. In other words another lake assoc could not cite this situation as a basis for their compliant. So good news there if true.
I may have missed someone but I saw the following M.I. Chapters in attendance
Fargo-Moorehead
Vikingland
Duluth-Superior
Brainerd
Twin Cities
North Metro.
Hope I didn't miss anyone.
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Location: Forest Lake, Mn. | Kudo's to whomever's Mother was responsible for creating all the Pro Muskie signs displayed at the meeting. I was talking to one of the girls about the signs and she said her Mother made them but I didn't get the girls name. So, young lady who's name I don't know, please tell your Mother to take a bow. |
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Location: Alexandria, Minnesota | Hey guys, every time you wonder if Muskie guys will step up to plate and fight for their sport? I have had moments where I feel let down, tonight was not that night.... I am in aaww of you guys, from guys 18 years old that are new to that sport to the guys that have been fishing Muskies for over 40 years ...Each and every one of you brought yourselves ready to battle for the fish you love....Awesome is all I can say is awesome....I am so proud and to see younger guys ready to step up to plate...Think everything worked out well but this battle is not over.
I want to thank the Brainerd Chapter of MI, St Cloud Chapter of MI, Fargo/Moorhead Chapter of MI, and especially the North Metro and Twin Cities Chapters along with Thorne Brothers for getting the word out and taking the time out of your busy lives to show up........ It was absolutely huge..... Like I said I am AAAWWW
and did not forget about my home town Chapter ( Vikingland) thanks Katie
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Location: Alex or Alek? | I am so glad i decided to go. There was so many pro muskie people and also a couple that got up and spoke and basically said she doesnt know anything about fisheries and was their just to listen. I believe we swayed her with our cool demener and i am hoping she was their when the salty old geezer got up and didnt listen to the DNR's response and "argued" with him.
Did anyone talk to the multiple reporters there and the guy with the video camera? any where we could watch this meeting for those who couldnt make it? |
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Location: Alex or Alek? | Here is the website about the possible new muskie lakes in MN.
http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/MUSKIE/index.html |
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Location: Blaine, MN | Didn't one of the gentlemen claim last night that the litigation the Lake assoc. initiated was partly due to the fact that the lake had not been surveyed in 32 years? correct me if I am wrong, I was stuck partially in the hall way at the time. But this lake survey from 2011 depicts a pretty healthy fishery.
http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/lakefind/showreport.html?downum=56078600 |
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| Where do we go next? Probably some place where we're not always on the defensive. We have to continue growing this sport every way we can (bringing new people out, marketing muskies as the ultimate profile pic, changing mindsets so that lake homeowners brag about having big muskies in their lake) and aligning with the other conservation groups out there to support the MN DNR in their science-based management.
What you guys showed tonight was exactly what these small groups complain about - we're passionate and organized. I wish I could've been there. Unfortunately I was traveling. Great work
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Location: Alex or Alek? | He was saying that they have not done a survey on only muskies.
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Location: The desert | He was saying that a population assessment has not been completed. His being along the lines of a mark/recapture to get a good estimate on the true number in there.
While this could be good data to have, it really isn't entirely necessary because the current survey data shows that there is zero impact on the rest of the fishery.
The second counter point to that would be, they're not willing to listen to the current data as it is so why would they listen to the population assessment data? In my opinion that was a weak attempt to save face because someone was getting absolutely toasted at the meeting he wanted. |
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| "Nor have they done a survey on 54" muskies."
Hard to do when the law just past.
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| Sounds like a cliche but we definitely sent the message last night that "You mess with some of us- You mess with ALL of us",,,I'm very proud of the musky people we have in this state we overwhelmed them with attendance and science by our wonderful DNR. I'm off today on Friday and am too tired to fish, However I am going to treat myself to a very good meal and a bottle of the "GOOD" top shelf whiskey in celebration. And I will raise my first glass to all those who showed up last night an say "THank you it was an honor to stand with you" |
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| Lets all buy a couple musky lures to celebrate! |
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Location: varies | These lake association folks scare me a bit (the ones beyond pelican). Even though they talk of the lake being public, the reality, or "their reality" is they believe the lakes are theirs. I think whenever these lake associations have public meetings with with dnr, state reps, etc..Muskies inc, or other fishing groups need to be present as well. |
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| So, does anyone know when the judge is supposed to rule on the injunction? what will be done with the fish that should be stocked, or should have been stocked already?
thanks for the info and your efforts
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| If they filed an injunction to stop this year fall stocking the judge should rule before that is scheduled to happen. But, judges take their own sweet time doing the research etc to try and get the law correct when ruling |
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| I mean the judge might want to look into it further or like Tommy boy say you can get a good look at a T bone steak by sticking you head up a bulls arse or you can take the DNRs word for it |
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Location: Forest Lake, Mn. | rodbender - 10/30/2015 12:35 PM
These lake association folks scare me a bit (the ones beyond pelican). Even though they talk of the lake being public, the reality, or "their reality" is they believe the lakes are theirs. I think whenever these lake associations have public meetings with with dnr, state reps, etc..Muskies inc, or other fishing groups need to be present as well.
One thing the D.N.R. guys made clear a couple of times is that they're well aware that the lakes are public waters and belong to all.
For more info about water laws in Minnesota
http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/publications/waters/water_law_question...
http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/waters/watermgmt_section/pwpermits/water...
From: https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=103G.005
Subd. 15.Public waters. (a) "Public waters" means:
(1) water basins assigned a shoreland management classification by the commissioner under sections 103F.201 to 103F.221;
(2) waters of the state that have been finally determined to be public waters or navigable waters by a court of competent jurisdiction;
(3) meandered lakes, excluding lakes that have been legally drained;
(4) water basins previously designated by the commissioner for management for a specific purpose such as trout lakes and game lakes pursuant to applicable laws;
(5) water basins designated as scientific and natural areas under section 84.033;
(6) water basins located within and totally surrounded by publicly owned lands;
(7) water basins where the state of Minnesota or the federal government holds title to any of the beds or shores, unless the owner declares that the water is not necessary for the purposes of the public ownership;
(8) water basins where there is a publicly owned and controlled access that is intended to provide for public access to the water basin;
(9) natural and altered watercourses with a total drainage area greater than two square miles;
(10) natural and altered watercourses designated by the commissioner as trout streams; and
(11) public waters wetlands, unless the statute expressly states otherwise.
(b) Public waters are not determined exclusively by the proprietorship of the underlying, overlying, or surrounding land or by whether it is a body or stream of water that was navigable in fact or susceptible of being used as a highway for commerce at the time this state was admitted to the union.
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Location: Forest Lake, Mn. | What I thought was the most ironic and humorous part of the evening occurred in the Men's Room after the meeting broke up. I'm standing there at the urinal taking caring of business and a guy steps up to the one next to me, turns and says; "I hope I hit the hole." I turned and looked at him and saw he was wearing a cap from the Minnesota Darkhouse Assoc. It took all I could to keep from laughing. I didn't say a word to him.
Yeah, you're telling me you can't hit the hole yet here you are at a meeting representing an activity that involves throwing a spear down a hole.
Classic!!!
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Location: MN | An account listed by the Pelican Lake association as evidence of muskie aggression and predation http://www.pelicanlakemn.org/editorials.html
July 1983 – Rhinelander, Wisconsin
A seven-foot long muskie scared off swimmers from a Wisconsin lake after it bit a 13-year-old girl. Amber Fairley said she was pulled a few inches into the water by the fish before it let her go. “I even have teeth marks on my toes. My whole foot is all mutilated. It’s really gross-looking,” Fairley said. The doctor had to use 15 stitches to close the wound. The muskie attack was confirmed by the doctor, fishermen and sheriff’s deputies. |
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| So a 7 ft muskie took a 13year old girl 3 or 4 inches under water before it let her go. WOW she is quoted as saying she didn't know what it was so it might have been Big Foot. The article did saw the water was murky or what time of day it was. If muskie attack in murky water the swimmers in Pelican are safe since the water is really clear due the zebras. |
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Location: E. Tenn | Pepper - 11/3/2015 5:23 PM
So a 7 ft muskie took a 13year old girl 3 or 4 inches under water before it let her go. WOW she is quoted as saying she didn't know what it was so it might have been Big Foot. The article did saw the water was murky or what time of day it was. If muskie attack in murky water the swimmers in Pelican are safe since the water is really clear due the zebras.
Clearly Jeremy Wade fished the wrong waters... |
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Location: Metro | Great play by play pointer. Thanks! I wasn't able to attend but was there in heart. Thanks for showing support for the people who weren't able to make it. Sounds like it was a good turnout. |
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Location: oswego, il | A precedent was set by you guys great job. Probably would not hurt to attend some lake association meetings going forward. |
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Location: Aurora | I concur with Todd that we should stay in point/counterpoint loop regarding this one.
In fact, I was lucky enough to secure a rather compelling photo I suspect might be used for building their next case around.
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| Anyone see Rob Kimms article in the Outdoor News covering the meeting last week? EXCELLENT work Rob!!! The part about scooping up a coffee cup full of pelican lake and managing it how he wants on the kitchen table was awesome!! Hahahaha. |
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Location: MN | Shoot2Kill - 11/5/2015 5:25 PM
Anyone see Rob Kimms article in the Outdoor News covering the meeting last week? EXCELLENT work Rob!!! The part about scooping up a coffee cup full of pelican lake and managing it how he wants on the kitchen table was awesome!! Hahahaha.
And on the page opposite Rob's article, the one by Kirk S opposing stocking Gull Lake. What a bunch of bs - blatant bias, opinion, innuendo, ahnd non-facts. Isn't he the guy that led the fight against muskies in Miltona? What a tool. Rob is probably as biased in the opposite direction as nice tryker, but at least he writes objectively and uses facts and common sense to weave his tale.
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