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Location: MadCity Wisconsin | I just read the thread on Fishing and Boat landing etiquette. Last fall one of our members asked that our club board of directors(Capital City Muskies Inc.) address the issue of anglers cutting off or encroaching on other anglers. It was, as you can imagine, a difficult task as this is a matter of polite behavior rather than enforceable law.
We found that Wisconsin Boating Regulations frequently mentions the distance of 100' or 30+ yards as being the safe distance to give way from shoreline or stationary structure such as piers, or even swimmers. Interesting to note that this is about a cast length away for many anglers.
We invited the Wis. DNR and Sheriff Water Patrol reps to one of our membership meetings to discuss the issue. Other than reckless or dangerous boating, fishing etiquette is just that, guidelines for behavior and good common sense. We recognize that we cannot control others behavior but we can set an example for our club members and fellow anglers. We came up with a list of guidelines to follow and agreed on the following. See Attachment. If it didn't come thru I can type in the list.
Edited by Steve Reinstra 7/8/2014 10:23 PM
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Location: tHe LaKe Of PrIoR, mN | my biggest pet peeve at the launch is what we dubbed "rope holders" if you go to a launch and have someone that is an adult or someone capable please either have them drive the boat or park the truck especially at busy launches... when fishing alone I will pull the boat and beach it out of the way. A lot of launches i go to are 1 sided and I get a bit ticked waiting for the guy to park the truck come back and start the boat to get the boat out of the way while his fishing partner wife or kid just stands and watches... Making the next in line to launch have to wait 10 times longer than they need to...
I have taught my wife and fishing buddies the quirks of starting my boat and/or how to back the trailer so we can get in or out fast as possible
good list though I like it !
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Location: The desert | crix - 7/9/2014 8:01 PM
I get a bit ticked waiting for the guy to park the truck come back and start the boat to get the boat out of the way while his fishing partner wife or kid just stands and watches... Making the next in line to launch have to wait 10 times longer than they need to...
Taking all of what, 5 minutes max? It's great you teach other people how to run your boat but some people might not be comfortable doing so.
Getting ticked off is what this list is aiming to reduce. Many boaters simply don't have the experience some anglers have. I'd suggest just getting over it, and wait the 3 extra minutes patiently. I promise you'll survive. |
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| My biggest pet peeve is when a boater loads their boat, then sit on the ramp to tie down and unload their boat. We see it all the time. Two ramps, two boats sitting there while there are 5-6 boats waiting in line to load. A few weeks ago, I was in such a situation, and I nosed into the beach, dropped my buddy off to get my truck. After the two boats pulled off the ramp (like 15 minutes later) my buddy pulled down and backed in. There were no other vehicles waiting to load. I pulled the boat up onto the trailer, hooked the front and was out BEFORE another trailer even pulled up to back in. I got chastised for jumping in line out of order. A short heated discussion ensued, but bottom line, I didn't block anyone from pulling in and was out of the ramp in less than 2 minutes. There were still 4 boats sitting on the dock waiting for their vehicles to even get there. Was I in the wrong? I don't think so. If there had been someone pulling their trailer in, and we jumped in I would have said we were jerks. But the way it was we were blocking nobody..... |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | he who hesitates goes next ... |
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| My favorite was the guy who was "waiting in line" in his boat to load it. There were about 3 or 4 other individuals that looked capable of either driving the truck or boat. I had my brother with me so I had him drive the boat and he dumped me on the dock and I hopped out to go get the truck in line. As I hopped out of the boat the guy made some really nice comments about how I cut in line. Not really sure how I did, but he was apparently waiting for one of the 2 ramps to open so he could park his boat on the dock and take up a spot. Not all people know what they're doing and they get angry at others that do. Oh well. I was long gone before he was even out of the boat. |
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| Ahh the boat launch.
The only place on the planet guaranteed to bring out the worst in otherwise normal human beings. Why is everyone in such a hurry? If someone is struggling launching or recovering their boat. Why not offer some help? I fish alone a lot and have for many years. I have the launch and recovery thing down to a science. But even with that I recognize that I'm still going to take longer than two people who know what their doing. So I'll always wait and let the two other fisherman go first. If they are novices at / or having a hard time with getting the boat launched or recovered. I'll offer some help. Its a matter of being courteous and having a little patients. No angst or harsh words are needed. It suppose to be fun.
Out on the water I always use this thought as a measuring stick. Would I want someone to do this to me? Whether its pulling up on a weed bed with folks working it, somebody sitting out on their dock on a nice morning or whatever the situation is. I always ask myself that question. Pointer is absolutely correct "wait the extra 3 minutes patiently. I promise you'll survive".
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Location: Lake Country, Wisconsin | crix - 7/9/2014 9:01 PM
my biggest pet peeve at the launch is what we dubbed "rope holders" if you go to a launch and have someone that is an adult or someone capable please either have them drive the boat or park the truck especially at busy launches... when fishing alone I will pull the boat and beach it out of the way. A lot of launches i go to are 1 sided and I get a bit ticked waiting for the guy to park the truck come back and start the boat to get the boat out of the way while his fishing partner wife or kid just stands and watches... Making the next in line to launch have to wait 10 times longer than they need to...
I have taught my wife and fishing buddies the quirks of starting my boat and/or how to back the trailer so we can get in or out fast as possible
good list though I like it !
I launched with my girlfriend last week on a single lane ramp with the lot several blocks away. she has no idea how to handle the boat or truck and we didn't realize what we were getting into to until it was too late. My first thought was get the thing in, have her hold the rope, and hurry up...well that wasn't good enough for other people who made rude comments to both me and her. Not a single person offered to help her during my 4 minute absence, but they sure had plenty of comments. Really waiting a few mins isn't always the end of the world when you someone is doing the best they can..... |
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| My biggest annoyance is people who get annoyed at the boat launch. If you're going to go to a busy lake or on a weekend, expect there to be a backup and lots of inexperienced people. Some people may be only able to get their boat out a few times a year so they aren't that good. Just relax and wait your turn -- fishing is supposed to be fun and relaxing. The only thing that does seriously bother me is people who power load. I see lots of "experienced" people who know better but just don't care that they are ruining the launch. |
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Location: Duluth, MN | Some boats are simply too big and heavy to be cranked on to the trailer. Powerloading is the only option. I had a guy get on my case about that a few years back and I invited him to crank my 620 onto the bunk trailer.
I understand that this method scours a hole in the gravel/mud, but unless your trailer is longer than 20' to the axle i cant see it being an issue. |
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Location: oswego, il | I fish alone a lot and have for many years.
Dave ever take gas-x?:-) |
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Location: The desert | jamesb - 7/10/2014 12:22 PM
My biggest annoyance is people who get annoyed at the boat launch. If you're going to go to a busy lake or on a weekend, expect there to be a backup and lots of inexperienced people. Some people may be only able to get their boat out a few times a year so they aren't that good. Just relax and wait your turn -- fishing is supposed to be fun and relaxing. The only thing that does seriously bother me is people who power load. I see lots of "experienced" people who know better but just don't care that they are ruining the launch.
I don't know that I'd say it ruins the launch. Some accesses I go to benefit greatly from power loading as the make a typically shallow launch much deeper.
And as noted previously, hand cranking a big glass boat can be a pain. Now, we could dunk the trailer in deep and try and pull it out straight but if it floats off center we've got to drop back in and try again, taking up more time and ticking off some of the above posters. Power loaders are my favorite. They are usually in and out in a matter of seconds. |
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Location: Minneapolis, MN | Pointerpride102 - 7/10/2014 1:36 PM
jamesb - 7/10/2014 12:22 PM
My biggest annoyance is people who get annoyed at the boat launch. If you're going to go to a busy lake or on a weekend, expect there to be a backup and lots of inexperienced people. Some people may be only able to get their boat out a few times a year so they aren't that good. Just relax and wait your turn -- fishing is supposed to be fun and relaxing. The only thing that does seriously bother me is people who power load. I see lots of "experienced" people who know better but just don't care that they are ruining the launch.
I don't know that I'd say it ruins the launch. Some accesses I go to benefit greatly from power loading as the make a typically shallow launch much deeper.
And as noted previously, hand cranking a big glass boat can be a pain. Now, we could dunk the trailer in deep and try and pull it out straight but if it floats off center we've got to drop back in and try again, taking up more time and ticking off some of the above posters. Power loaders are my favorite. They are usually in and out in a matter of seconds.
Seems like guide-ons would solve the issue of the boat floating off center? We have them on our trailer and I love them, especially when it's windy because while other people are struggling to line everything up, I just drive it in and they do the correcting for me. |
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Location: Elk River, MN | Guide-ons/posts and a power winch would be your best friend |
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| It's illegal to powerload in Michigan and does destroy ramps creating big holes and stuck trailers. I too have a 620 and have zero problems putting my boat on the trailer w/o powerloading and having to crank her up with winc where I feel the weight of boat. Ranger boats are known to fit snug and perfect on the trailers and if you get dialed in enough your boat will slide right on trailer without the need to use outboard or winch excessively. As long as your boat is in idle you can glide right on trailer, without using outboard with ease. Most ramps the center bunks are just barely sticking out of water. Maybe 3-4 good cranks of winch and bow eye is locked up. Last fall I recall 2 trailers that backed up too far and rear tires went over the cement ramp and stuck because of all the powerloading. It gets even worse come fall if not repaired and then your really pushing your luck cause you gotta back in deeper with lower water levels. |
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| I can let the stern of boat float and she straightens out perfectly pulling her out. The winch and water straighten her out perfectly....never had an issue with Ranger Trailers not having a nice perfect fit. |
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| I have never known a boat that "had" to be power loaded. That sounds like a cop out. It absolutely ruins the launch -- maybe not for you but maybe for the next guy. |
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| I hate when people don't get there boat all ready for putting in the water and then they back down the ramp to the water and put the truck in park and jump out and then get the boat ready for launching, while you take a few minutes before getting in line to launch the boat to have everything good to go, so then your sitting there waiting for that guy who is in such a hurry to put his boat in the water, while he pre loads on the launch. Come on people get the boat ready for the water before you pull up on the launch. Only takes a few minutes. |
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Location: Duluth, MN | Maybe I misunderstand the term power loading...When I do it, in less than 5 seconds I drive my boat on the the trailer with my big motor then my driver pulls me out of the water. Literally 5 seconds...
Maybe its a MN thing because when I fish 50-60 boat tournaments up here 90% of big rigs are loaded in this fashion.
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Location: Duluth, MN | Pointerpride102 - 7/10/2014 1:36 PM
jamesb - 7/10/2014 12:22 PM
My biggest annoyance is people who get annoyed at the boat launch. If you're going to go to a busy lake or on a weekend, expect there to be a backup and lots of inexperienced people. Some people may be only able to get their boat out a few times a year so they aren't that good. Just relax and wait your turn -- fishing is supposed to be fun and relaxing. The only thing that does seriously bother me is people who power load. I see lots of "experienced" people who know better but just don't care that they are ruining the launch.
I don't know that I'd say it ruins the launch. Some accesses I go to benefit greatly from power loading as the make a typically shallow launch much deeper.
And as noted previously, hand cranking a big glass boat can be a pain. Now, we could dunk the trailer in deep and try and pull it out straight but if it floats off center we've got to drop back in and try again, taking up more time and ticking off some of the above posters. Power loaders are my favorite. They are usually in and out in a matter of seconds.
Bingo! My thoughts exactly. |
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Location: tHe LaKe Of PrIoR, mN | Musky brian- It happens I understand I wait patiently rude comments help no one and yes I will and do help move the boat to the other side of the dock if needed or back a trailer actually just did that this past weekend the guy in the boat asked if I would back the trailer for his wife
I have had many instances where the line was only 3-4 boats and waited well over 30 minutes not sure what it is but these launches are a circus the lakes both have 2 launches I now use the further launch that most dont use cause they dont have a dock on at the one
powerloading some ramps its a issue others not so much back when I had my ski boat it was a huge problem the berm that boats blow out the tracking fins prop and rudder wouldn't clear so I had a shovel in the ski compartment for certain lakes i knew were bad that sucks cant get out of the way if i wanted to
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Location: WI | jamesb - 7/10/2014 1:22 PM
My biggest annoyance is people who get annoyed at the boat launch. If you're going to go to a busy lake or on a weekend, expect there to be a backup and lots of inexperienced people. Some people may be only able to get their boat out a few times a year so they aren't that good. Just relax and wait your turn -- fishing is supposed to be fun and relaxing. The only thing that does seriously bother me is people who power load. I see lots of "experienced" people who know better but just don't care that they are ruining the launch.
Exactly. When I fish with my normal fishing partners we have a routine. When I go with my wife or less experienced people I do it my self. Deal with it. Five extra minutes or several grand when they wreck my rig.
We can all do the best we can. And there's is nothing we can do about the guy who borrowed his dads bayliner for the weekend and has no clue what he's doing. I prefer to watch and be entertained. RELAX!!!
Edited by Trophyseeker50 7/10/2014 7:38 PM
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Location: minocqua, wi. | just launch the boat and let it drift out into the lake … park vehicle and get a ride to your boat.
i launch a lot in town and there are slips there i just slide into and tell the boat to "stay" with a hand signal. once i went to park and came back with the ^above happening. most folks in the area looked at me walking back slowly nonchalant and were panicked when it happened. a nice lady and her daughter gave me a ride to my disobedient boat and all was good.
folks get too antsy and need to learn to chill out a little bit … the same cause for those who don't do it effectively as for those who think they are better than everyone else.
relax, launch the friggin boat and don't sweat the inconvenience of 5 minutes of your life, or get in there and help someone out without being a dick. |
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| I don't complain about inexperience usually. My beef is with the knuckle draggers that do all the things on the ramp that take time, vs. doing those things in the lot. After the boat is loaded and front hooked, get the heck off the ramp. You don't sit there for 10 mites unloading your boat. And of course, my favorite.... We sat one time watching these two, not one.... both morons wiping their boat dry while people were waiting to load. I am sure if all of us had guns that day, they may have been shot. |
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| just get there early and fish late, then you don't have to worry about anyone else |
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| I'm pretty lucky. My wife has become excellent at backing up the boat/trailer. She usually dumps me in and then parks the rig. Then she will bring the empty trailer back, back it in and I'll glide the Ranger onto the trailer. Not a power load, but a little goose of the engine and we are all snug, snapped in and out of the launch in 45 seconds or so.
We may not always catch fish, but have the launch down.
I've had to help many people in the past that just couldn't get it right. Usually a quick explanation of "why" really helps. Common mistake I see is putting the trailer in too deep, or too shallow. Goldilocks rule, gotta find "just right".
Agree that boat landings can bring out the worst. But I was helped out greatly at a boat landing this year when my dad's boat had a big time problem. So there are good people out there. |
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| I was visiting my brother in northern IL and borrowed his friend's jonboat to fish a while while everyone was working. I was loading up and there were some guys waiting. It was very slow going and I could tell they were getting impatient. I simply pointed to the copperhead resting in the grass 10 feet from the boat and blamed it for slowing me down. |
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| Waiting 5 minutes is nothing to get fired up about. When it gets to 10, 15, 20, and longer then you have a reason to get a little cranky. 10 minutes or more is avoidable and is usually the result of not having a boat prepared (i.e. moving life jackets/coolers/etc. from truck to boat) or they pull out a few feet from the water and tie everything up leaving others to wait.
Sometimes "stuff" just happens that can't be avoided. A few weeks ago a guy had a launch partially blocked and couldn't get his boat out because the brakes on his truck failed. He wasn't an idiot. Stuff just happens like that.
When I think of power loading I think of running your boat up on a trailer with the motor at a higher RPM than an idle. Guy lines his boat up with the trailer and just guns it. That to me is power loading. Easing your boat onto the trailer at an idle is not. This is how I load mine a fair amount of time. Ease it onto the trailer at an idle, leave it in gear so that it doesn't slide back, hop up front and clip my strap, take motor out of gear and shut it off. There are launches with some insane blow holes that are not usable because you have a sand bar sticking out when water levels drop down too low. There's also one I use quite a bit where the concrete pad became uneven and broke apart because the stuff underneath gave way back filling the blow hole that developed. |
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| Just yesterday I launched my boat while my buddy took my truck to park it at the lot. So I backed the boat to the end of the dock and was going to wait 30 seconds for him to run back and jump in. As soon as he pulled forward some jack ass decided to back his boat in the same lane forcing me out despite there being multiple other lanes to launch from. It was annoying but no big deal so I just moved and didnt say anything. What was really annoying is he stayed at the very same dock for quite a while waiting for his friends and kept the lane tied up.
Dont even get me started on the jetskiers and pleasure boaters that blast between fishing boats and the shoreline for NO GOOD REASON.
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Location: The desert | I think there are a few definitions of power loading floating around here.
Hardly putting the bunks in the water then using every horse to get the boat on the trailer? Yeah, that's pretty lame.
A gentle push up to the winch or use of momentum to get there and then shut down? I've got no issue with. I wish more people did this. The yahoos who unspool the winch and crank it back in are amusing and entertaining to watch. |
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