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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | Well, guy's it's official .
The NOAA Weather center in Northern Mn. has said that this Spring is expected to be even COLDER than last Spring.....Ugggh....
The lake Vermilion area is almost 8* colder this winter than Normal.
Ice out in upper Mn. and Wi. could be really late this Spring. Sucks !
I'm heading to Cave Run in April for a week. Hopefully it's Warmer there this Spring.
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Location: WI | Can spring be any later than last year?!?! I usually hike in the spring before fishing season, and last year there was still 30" of snow in the woods in late April. |
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| I am in Tennessee fishing Melton Hill with good results; I won't be back to LOTW till late May. I hope the ice stays on till May 15. This will push the muskie season back in a manner similar to last year. The super fishing will get started later in the year and continue through the late fall. This will also keep the great smallie bite going throughout July. A late late thaw will be wonderful.
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Location: The desert | Weather forecasters are always right on.....
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| So are musky fishermen. |
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| Jerome, are you talking to Punxsutawney Phil in your sleep again? Last year's late thaw treated me very well for my trip to the V. So, I won't complain, as I am coming up during the same timeframe as last year. |
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Location: Grand Marais, MN | not official. but possible. Just to put it into perspective, the first year of ice out dates recorded for lake pepin in 1843, the ice went out May 19th. Imagine what the rest of the state would have been like that year (Id rather not).
although id prefer a later warm up than a super early one like two years ago, 2012 was hot and sucked
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| Farmer's Almanac two month forecast calls for "unseasonably cold" temps in the northern plains (MN, WI, ND, SD). Their farmer magic nailed the winter forecast this year. One of these years I'll have to actually get into ice fishing... |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | Working for the DNR, I have to be on-call for fire in the spring, which means I MAY have to miss the MN expo. A wet snowy April is what I'm hoping for! Anyway, I don't really care as long as there is open water by opener. I had my best season ever with last years late spring. Just fish! |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | Is it a cold late spring or going back to normal. Remember in the 70's they were predicting the coming of another ice age. In the 70's and early 80's I could bet on the ice going out of our local lake within 2 days either side of Apr. 17. Except for last year the last 7 or so years it had been out by mid March. I hope it's not a late spring I'm sick of winter all ready. |
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Location: MN | The late spring last year was good for my fishing. Post spawn fish with no weeds made for pretty easy fishing the first few weeks. I'm not looking forward to more cold though. |
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Location: north central wisconsin | This winter has been good for panfish populations here in central WI, as nobody is out pounding them this winter. Some lakes needed a break. It's also great for 'Honey-Do' lists. I applied a coat of stain on a piece of basement trim on a day off last week... |
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Location: Maple Grove, MN | The people predicting the next ice age back in the 70's were not totally incorrect. The earth is constantly warming and cooling and has been doing so for the past two million years. During that time there have been numerous major and minor cooling periods, along with warming periods. The cooling periods are commonly call ice-ages or mini ice-ages, depending on length and warming periods are called inter-glacial periods. Simply put, cooling causes the ice mass, or glaciers to grow and warming causes the ice mass, or glaciers to get smaller. What we had in the late 70s and early 80s was a short cooling period or, as some would say, a very short mini ice-age.That cooling period was most likely cut short by an increase in solar activity. (Thank goodness too.)
Despite what the main stream media and politicians are saying, the earth is currently entering a cooling period, For people who actually study weather patterns to get the facts rather than try to support a politically motivated agenda, what is happening now is of great concern for the following reasons:
1. The arctic and ant-arctic ice masses are growing at a very rapid rate. They are currently the largest ever recorded for this time of year. The arctic had the shortest summer growing season ever recorded last year at just 60 days when an average year has a 120 day growing season. And, of course, you know all about the ice-breakers stuck in the ant-arctic ice a few weeks ago.
2. The solar activity is at the lowest level ever recorded - and at a time when the solar activity cycle should be at a peak high level. Simply put, the sun is cooling down and no one knows why.
3. Despite the claim made by NOA and NASA that last year was the fourth warmest year ever recorded, the average temperature went down last year by over 4 deg F. That has not happened since the late 1800's when there was a rash of volcanic activity.
The bottom line is that the earth is cooling right now and most likely will continue to do so for at least the next few years. It is possible that the earth could be entering a short cooling phase of 5 to 20 years such as what occurred during the late 70's and early 80's or perhaps a much longer 200 year mini ice-age such as what occurred from about 1350 until about 1550. There is also a slight chance that the earth could be headed back into a major ice-age. That would be really bad - especially if one lives in Canada or Russia.
I'm hoping that this cooling period is rather short. Given the choice between warming and cooling, I'd take warming any day. These long winters are not fun. 
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Location: Lake Country, Wisconsin | Herb_b - 2/5/2014 1:05 PM
1. The arctic and ant-arctic ice masses are growing at a very rapid rate. They are currently the largest ever recorded for this time of year.
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care to put up a link to support that? that really doesn't sound right to me
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Location: The desert | Musky Brian - 2/5/2014 12:28 PM
Herb_b - 2/5/2014 1:05 PM
1. The arctic and ant-arctic ice masses are growing at a very rapid rate. They are currently the largest ever recorded for this time of year.
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care to put up a link to support that? that really doesn't sound right to me
Or any link to support any of that......
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| http://www.skepticalscience.com/why-is-antarctic-sea-ice-growing.ht...
http://www.skepticalscience.com/antarctica-gaining-ice.htm
Here you go Brian. I didn't think it sounded correct either.
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Location: Lake Country, Wisconsin | "Skeptic arguments that Antarctica is gaining ice frequently hinge on an error of omission, namely ignoring the difference between land ice and sea ice."
yup...thought so |
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Location: Smith Creek | Herb_b - 2/5/2014 1:05 PM
For people who actually study weather patterns to get the facts rather than try to support a politically motivated agenda
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Location: Maple Grove, MN | As for ice mass, here are a few links:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/17207-al-gore-f...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2013/09...
The skeptical science links are from a left-wing organization that are out to further their own agenda. There are actually a number of web sites like that. Find who is funding those sites and you will always find someone making lots of $$$$ off the global warming thing.
The term "skeptic" gives them away. The fact is, all unbiased scientists are skeptical about any theory. To use "skeptic" in a derogatory manner, as the global warming people do, demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of science. To be "skeptical" simply means to question and science is all about creating theories and then proving or disproving those theories based on the data. To accept a theory, such as global warming, without proof when there is none is not scientific. For instance, the earth has not warmed at all in the past 20 years while the global warming "scientists" had been predicting significant warming. It just hasn't happened. That alone should cause any unbiased person to question the global warming theory.
You have to keep in mind that there are many people making very large salaries that are totally dependent on perpetuating the global warming theory as fact and not what it is - an unproven theory. If global warming is proven to be invalid, as most theories eventually are, they are out of those cushy jobs. The US government spends over 2 billion a year on global warming research. That is a lot of people trying to justify their jobs. What would you do if you were making 150k a year studying a "theory" and would lose that job if the theory was proven false? Hmmm?
The fact is that earth runs on natural processes and does not care about web sites or the media or what some politicians say. It is going to do what it does and there is nothing we can do to stop it.
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Location: Minnetonka | I like turtles. |
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| I believe greenhouse gasses caused by combustion are effecting the climate. Herb, it's ok if we disagree, I ain't mad at you. |
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Location: Smith Creek | Trying to find facts in Herb's posts is like trying to find Waldo. |
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Location: MN | Hammskie - 2/5/2014 3:23 PM
I like turtles.
Freaking classic! |
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Location: MN | Herb please tell me how effective spinnerbaits are for fishing milfoil. |
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Location: oswego, il | I was a paperboy during the winters of 77, 78. What fun, what joy, what numb hands and feet I had. The truck couldn't even get to the driveway to deliver the newspaper bundles. My timing in life is impeccable. |
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| I bet the polar bears don't mind a cold winter. |
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Location: Aurora | I for one find Herb's ideas intriguing and wish to subscribe to his newsletter. |
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Location: MN | Sidejack - 2/5/2014 5:19 PM
I for one find Herb's ideas intriguing and wish to subscribe to his newsletter.
You sir are drunk! |
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Location: MN | Herb, you're killin me |
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Location: Grand Rapids MN | Last spring my Muskie fishing suffered some.........just because I had a hard time putting the jigging rod away! That long shallow water walleye bite just lasted and lasted; had to by a few new packs of grubs as they were getting chewed.
Other than that I got action once I picked up the big stuff. Nothing big but action. Really didn't Muskie fish much last year. But I'm sick of the cold as well! |
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