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| Your thoughts on 1st show 2014 trout style muskies on youtube by keyesoutdoors ? fishing spawning/prespawn muskies in Wisconsin? Please watch the video and comment.
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| By the remarks in the comment area a lot of people are not liking it.
But honestly what his show is highlighting isn't anything new. For a long time I been hitting up small rivers all season long (spring, summer, fall, winter) and catching a lot of fish.
I do it, I just have not made a show about doing it (where I live my musky population is strongly supported by stocking). Love it or hate it...just accept it because its a reality
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Location: MN | You are late to the party. It's been discussed. Maybe the DNR shouldn't open the season then. And the lake casters shouldn't fish them either. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Many waters in Wisconsin have no natural reproduction and rely on stocking to keep the fishery viable. No harm on those waters. |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | I guess if the season is open. Probably less harm than pulling bass off their beds and letting the sunfish and gobies decimate the nest. What really bugs me is people targeting muskies before the season open and saying they are " PIKE" fishing.
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| Im not against fishing small rivers rivers in the summer but early in the spring spawning muskies need to be left alone. Accidental hooking happens on small tackle and those fish should be released immediately. Watching this makes me sick don't ruin these bodies of water for other people |
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Location: Madison WI | As someone who for the past 8 years has fished on opening day in southern Wisconsin on a spot where fish stack up to "spawn" (whether they are successfully spawning is up for debate) I can say that in my experience these fish are the most lethargic and negative fish I have ever encountered. When I say stacked up I mean that at most times there are 25+ fish in a 100 square yard area. Very rarely does anyone catch a fish that hasn't spawned out. I have had numerous fish bolt off 100 yards at the sight of live bait near them. |
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Location: S.W. WI | The show in question was in the south of hwy 10 range.
The reason the muskie season doesn't remain closed 3 weeks (like it is north of Hwy 10), is because the DNR determined there is very little (if any) reproduction that far south. Besides, this late opening up north rule was put in place back when everyone kept muskies. No reason in my mind why it can't be open to catch and release with the rest of the game species the first week in May. Seems like an outdated rule to me.
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| Why don't we just stock the whole state the with muskies and stop all the natural reproduction then? I mean seriously this problem is bigger then just the lack of natural reproduction its destruction of habitat, lack of knowledge of the natural world, and anthropocentric greed that are destroying our environment. If you love muskies then you have to be a good steward of not only the lakes and rivers but the land around them. I sometimes wish I had not gotten involved in limnology and did not know how hopeless the health of many of Wisconsin's bodies of water actually is. There has been some evidence that excessive amounts of cyanobacteria in a lake can inhibit the reproduction of certain species of fish. Building #*^@s can cut entire populations of fish from breeding grounds and realistically how much power are we getting from hydroelectric #*^@s? If you love muskies then these issues should should rank highly on your environmental radar. |
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Location: MN | Exactly. I think. Which is why a guy practicing c&r, and promoting it, on a tv show shouldn't get your panties in such a wad. |
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Location: Central Wisconsin | I second Propster. People are going to fish for muskies anywhere there can, anything supporting catch and release within open seasons should be supported. |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | Everyone fishing muskie opener in MN was guilty of fishing spawning fish in naturally reproducing waters. |
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| Didn't read all the replies but there is no harm to the muskies. The fish that they caught had either not yet started to spawn or had already spawned out. They handled the muskies properly and this is not an issue IMO. We catch muskies all through this time in WV and the only time it is an issue is when someone keeps a musky before it has spawned. Most of the time we hear of a nice musky caught full of eggs and kept as a trophy (female). That is the worst case scenario around here in the streams and rivers that rely on natural reproduction... |
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| I am vary new to muskie fishing just trying start on the right foot. THANKS for your opinions.-------- gotem 
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Location: Northern Illinois | Sorry but I had to cringe a little watching that show. While they did everything
ethically I am not convinced it's a good idea to publicize the tactic. Big fish make
people crazy, have you ever been down on the root river during the salmon run?
Sight fishing, skinny water, big fish ...... use your imagination. There are people
that would keep a big fish and the fish seem a little vulnerable to me. Not my cup
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| I had the same feeling when I watched the show I cringed, and just didn't feel right about it. Then a week later I watched the Mille Lacs show where the were fishing spawning lake fish and loved it. Forced me to think about things a little bit, not sure I have come to any conclusion except that, Mille Lacs can handle a lot more pressure than those little streams.
That said, this is what I enjoy about Keyes show, he is willing to get out and fish diferent places than the other muskie shows. A lot of them are close by, and waters those of us in WI and MN can fish. At the end of the day it is eposodes like that keep me watching Keyes. |
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Location: Sycamore, IL | Loved the show...it was a nice illustration of how a different approach can have a big pay off. I don't expect that those rivers/streams will see much more pressure because of this episode...breaking brush and wading small rivers is just to much work for most anglers. JMO |
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Location: Walker, MN | Buliwyf - 1/20/2014 10:10 AM
I had the same feeling when I watched the show I cringed, and just didn't feel right about it. Then a week later I watched the Mille Lacs show where the were fishing spawning lake fish and loved it. Forced me to think about things a little bit, not sure I have come to any conclusion except that, Mille Lacs can handle a lot more pressure than those little streams.
That said, this is what I enjoy about Keyes show, he is willing to get out and fish diferent places than the other muskie shows. A lot of them are close by, and waters those of us in WI and MN can fish. At the end of the day it is eposodes like that keep me watching Keyes. I had mixed feelings myself but am not willing to condemn anyone. I think if I were a high profile angler I would opt not to fish for spawning fish at all. Yes, it's a little like fishing for 'skis in 85 degree water, it's not illegal and it's up to each angler to decide for themselves but t.v. shows do promote tactics and methods so it is a little different. Good discussions here as usual, not a right or wrong topic in my opinion. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | the season was open in the trout fishing style show, we had a late spring, some fish will be in the spawn, some out, some in the middle of it... same w the mille lacs show... (is anyone on here knocking Hammernick?) . if anyone bashing them for fishing in either show fished the opener last year they are pretty much hypocrites as w the late spring the fish you were targeting were in the same situation, while a stream may be confined, it's not like they were snagging them, they had to actually hit the bait to catch them... spawning fish especially females rarely hit baits ........look at how many guys fish in states that don't close right thru the spawn, Indiana, IL, KY, TN, etc... c'monn.. they were doing on both shows is not unethical imo.
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| Right on bnelson!!! They were great episodes and doing nothing to hurt muskies! |
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Location: oswego, il | Someone needs to cut this guy down to size, um nevermind.:-)
wish the show was on Comcast. |
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| I may have a unique way of looking at this but for the human species our ladies can be paid to take time off for maternity leave before and after she gives birth giving her body time to heal itself. I don't want to get into the specifics of R and K strategists on here but a spawning is a very energy draining event for a musky, and when you add getting caught on top of that you can see where the increased risk for injury occurs. Fish that far up into creeks and streams are only there for one reason and should be protected. |
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Location: Appleton | Seems like no matter what Mike does someone is going to complain. He shows many different sides to musky fishing and for that I think that show is the best. The complaints about this show seem more about people not liking Mike than doing any real harm to the fishery. |
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| If the season is open, it's open. It's not like he was snagging fish that were spawning. As someone else pointed out, pretty much everyone fishing the opener this year was fishing in spawing areas. If you are that worried about it then don't fish at all because there might be a chance that a fish is injured. Keyes is a good ambassador for musky fishing. |
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Location: Downers Grove, IL | I have Comcast in Chicago. It's accessible. Call them and tell them you want World Fishing Network - channel 426. Either pay the extra $15/month for the "Sportsman's Package" they try and sell you, or threaten to leave for AT&T or a dish, and ask them to throw it in for free (and then some). Worked for me. |
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| It's one thing to fish for them during the spawn. It's another to go into that type of fishing without the proper gear.
How hard is it to put on a pair of waders so u can get in the water and actually land it vs fighting a spawning fish for 4-5 min (per keyes himself) because u don't have the equipment to take care of the fish?
the biggest fish of that episode snapped the line (who knows what lb test) head shaking on shore because the water was too deep for their knee highs and they couldn't land it properly. Swam off with a pair of trebble hooks in its mouth. That should help the spawn.
If your going to do it, at least do it right. He was out there for a few days in a row too. Day one I'll give a free pass but how do u not bring waders with you the next couple days?
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| TopWaterTuffy - 1/20/2014 6:51 PM
It's one thing to fish for them during the spawn. It's another to go into that type of fishing without the proper gear.
How hard is it to put on a pair of waders so u can get in the water and actually land it vs fighting a spawning fish for 4-5 min (per keyes himself) because u don't have the equipment to take care of the fish?
the biggest fish of that episode snapped the line (who knows what lb test) head shaking on shore because the water was too deep for their knee highs and they couldn't land it properly. Swam off with a pair of trebble hooks in its mouth. That should help the spawn.
If your going to do it, at least do it right. He was out there for a few days in a row too. Day one I'll give a free pass but how do u not bring waders with you the next couple days?
The last two episodes were great by the way. Keyes always thinks outside the box when targeting muskies. Much better than the other shows out there IMO..
Totally despicable in my opinion.
How do you know he didn't have the correct gear? Ever got a fray in your line? Broke off? Despicable is a pretty strong word to describe someone with a huge devotion to the sport....did you fish last Muskie opener? If so then you're right there with the rest of us, despicable or not....
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Despicable? Not hardly. Real? Sure. Brad said it best. Read above about where these fish were, and the NR availability there. |
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| Angler II - 1/20/2014 7:29 PM
TopWaterTuffy - 1/20/2014 6:51 PM
It's one thing to fish for them during the spawn. It's another to go into that type of fishing without the proper gear.
How hard is it to put on a pair of waders so u can get in the water and actually land it vs fighting a spawning fish for 4-5 min (per keyes himself) because u don't have the equipment to take care of the fish?
the biggest fish of that episode snapped the line (who knows what lb test) head shaking on shore because the water was too deep for their knee highs and they couldn't land it properly. Swam off with a pair of trebble hooks in its mouth. That should help the spawn.
If your going to do it, at least do it right. He was out there for a few days in a row too. Day one I'll give a free pass but how do u not bring waders with you the next couple days?
The last two episodes were great by the way. Keyes always thinks outside the box when targeting muskies. Much better than the other shows out there IMO..
Totally despicable in my opinion.
How do you know he didn't have the correct gear? Ever got a fray in your line? Broke off? Despicable is a pretty strong word to describe someone with a huge devotion to the sport....did you fish last Muskie opener? If so then you're right there with the rest of us, despicable or not....
Yup, I fished last years opener. Put two in my net and safely released both of them. Not my point though. Read the first sentence in my previous post.
It's called put on a pair of waders or get your ass in the water and that fish would have been properly released and not left swimming with a bait stuck in its mouth while it's trying to spawn.
Despicable? Maybe not but I think it's pretty #*^@ dumb to fish for muskies without the proper gear.....especially for a guy that supposedly lives and breathes the sport
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| TopWaterTuffy - 1/20/2014 7:43 PM
Angler II - 1/20/2014 7:29 PM
TopWaterTuffy - 1/20/2014 6:51 PM
It's one thing to fish for them during the spawn. It's another to go into that type of fishing without the proper gear.
How hard is it to put on a pair of waders so u can get in the water and actually land it vs fighting a spawning fish for 4-5 min (per keyes himself) because u don't have the equipment to take care of the fish?
the biggest fish of that episode snapped the line (who knows what lb test) head shaking on shore because the water was too deep for their knee highs and they couldn't land it properly. Swam off with a pair of trebble hooks in its mouth. That should help the spawn.
If your going to do it, at least do it right. He was out there for a few days in a row too. Day one I'll give a free pass but how do u not bring waders with you the next couple days?
The last two episodes were great by the way. Keyes always thinks outside the box when targeting muskies. Much better than the other shows out there IMO..
Totally despicable in my opinion.
How do you know he didn't have the correct gear? Ever got a fray in your line? Broke off? Despicable is a pretty strong word to describe someone with a huge devotion to the sport....did you fish last Muskie opener? If so then you're right there with the rest of us, despicable or not....
Yup, I fished last years opener. Put two in my net and safely released both of them. Not my point though. Read the first sentence in my previous post.
It's called put on a pair of waders or get your nice try in the water and that fish would have been properly released and not left swimming with a bait stuck in its mouth while it's trying to spawn.
Despicable? Maybe not but I think it's pretty #*^@ dumb to fish for muskies without the proper gear.....especially for a guy that supposedly lives and breathes the sport
Apparently you know how deep the water was. The season was open, everything was done within the law, his line snapped. Get over it... |
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