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| Can anyone tell me what the difference is between the tackle industries bulldawgs and the musky inovations bulldawgs. Specifically the bigger baits like the mag and super mags (pounders). Gotta admit the price is quite appealing on the tackle industries!
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Location: Detroit River | Placement of the eyes are different, the TI has an extra set of side fins near the rear hook. TI uses the triple split rings & hooks are different. Plastic is softer on the MI dawgs & different color options. I've never had either apart but I would assume that internal harness might have some slight differences. The internal harness on the older MI dawgs was terrible & would pull out of the plastic then they started using the same type of harness that TI uses as well as some of the other big rubber bait makers like Chaos Tackle etc. It all comes down to personal preference so you should try both & decide which one you like best. Personally I like the MI's better & need to sell my TI mag dawgs so I can buy more MI's. |
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Location: SE Wisconsin | When you throw rubber the majority of your season, that says a lot about confidence in what you're throwing. I throw rubber over 75% of my seasons on the water and in doing so, have thrown just about every version out there. You don't need me to tell you that both Tackle Industries and Musky Innovations have earned a reputation for excellent customer service and producing proven tackle like the Bulldawgs and Super D's, but there are some minimal differences that are small enough that Tackle Industries prices are persuasive.
They both do the same thing - same action with no obvious differences in the water. Yes, Super D's have softer rubber, very similar to the older versions of MI's Bulldawgs, but there are perks with softer rubber that I think too many guys ignore. When fish chomp down on real forage, they can sink their teeth in. When a musky bites down on a hard bait they inevitably don't hold on as long - fact. What's important to me is that after casting for hours straight, when THE bite finally happens, I want that fish to sink her teeth in so she holds on. When I set the hook, I want her teeth to cut through the rubber with ease so I can drive the hooks into her jaws. Tackle Industries rubber does everything I want it to, and I can attest that the softer rubber doesn't mean the internal harness is popping out because the tail end of the harness doesn't stick out as far as MI's old version going back some years.
The best thing about rubber, no matter who's you throw, it's more often than not salvagable. I have two Super D's in particular from Tackle Industries that have half-dozen fish on each of them and neither one is in the scrap pile. They're war horses man, really they are. I've got buckets of both Tackle Industries and Musky Innovations rubber - believe me. But lately, Tackle Industries quality for the lower prices combined with James' awesome customer service has made a Customer for life out of me.
And hey, you can't tell me that after a full day of casting you wouldn't trade the low price of a Super D for putting one in the net if the rubber is damaged beyond repair! I had it happen one time this year and it would have happened to a MI Dawg, a TI Super D, a Chaos Medussa, and just about any other rubber out there.
I'll continue to buy Red October tubes, MI Dawgs, Chaos Dussa's, TI SuperD's, Live Action Joe's and Shack Attack Sue's & Suzies... They all have their place, colors and positives.
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| Thanks for the reviews guys. I had just bought a perch colored regular medusa last week and threw it for a day and a little 36 incher tore one of the 3 tails off and destroyed the thing completely lol. Sure I was happy to net a fish but a 22 bucks a lure I would rather not have 36 inchers shredding baits lol. Was just wondering about the same with these other bait companies |
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| Quality, price, durability, colors, just overall better lure is a SuperD. I also see TI do a ton for charities where I do not see much come from others. That also gets my full support. |
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| I am slowly becoming a fan of the rubber baits and I can honestly say that the construction of the Super D surpasses the MI. Like stated earlier, they do swim a bit different but I love the action of the TI version. The coil harness system is extremely tough and the latest colors are awesome. My walleye double dawg had it's eyes(painted on) disappear after one day of casting. TI uses holographic eyes and softer material that takes a beating! Best yet.........price! |
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Location: Lake "y" cause lake"x" got over fished | There is a pretty interesting video on you tube where they do a test between the MI bulldawg and the TI super D. The video truley shows a clear window. Just do a search for TI super Ds VS Bulldawg. You will find it, but it should some great durability issues... |
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| I have fished both and even though the Super D is much more durable, I love the way the newer Bulldawgs "glide" in the water after a jerk. |
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Location: Wisconsin | I have used them both. They both have there own action but you can make them both do the same thing. The biggest different between them is $, quality of workmanship, color choices and #1 on my list costumer service. Out of all those I believe there is only one choice. TI SuperD. Lets start with workmanship. The SuperD has a coil harness that holds the plastic to the harness not allowing the plastic to pull off so easy. With MI bulldogs, I have had them pull apart without ever seeing a fish. Which leads in to $. For the price there is no better bait than the SuperD. When it comes to color choices they both have a lot to choice from. And then my number 1 is customer service. James from TI will do almost anything to make a customer happy if there is a problem. He donates a lot to the military and children's hospitals. This would be my opinion. |
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| Looks like I started quite the campfire! Someone grab the marshmallows lol. Seriously thanks for all of the replies guys |
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Location: Minnesota | they both work the biggest difference to me is made in USA or made in china. I have them both but I have more MI then TI.when money was tight I bought TI baits .now ill pay extra to keep americans working but that's just me sorry |
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Location: Wisconsin | Good customer service is great, but I'd prefer not to have "a problem" to begin with.
What are these problems you mention anyways? I've never seen anything negative about a TI product last more than ten minutes.
Enough bad mouthing of MI in this thread though.
First you need to read what I wrote. I said "IF" there is a problem. I did not say anything about a problem. Next if you want to comment. Don't hide behind a GUEST name. Log in.
Second. I don't see anyone really bad mouthing anyone. I see people pointing out differences between them and what they like and don't like. |
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Location: Detroit River | The Super D resembles a Bulldawg too closely (including the 3 ribs on each side near the tail section) that it almost seems unethical. I have heard from a very reliable source that MI has a prototype jigging bait out that's a knock off of the Bondy Bait. You would think that a company that had their bait knocked off wouldn't do it to someone else. |
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| Wow! Can you imagine the arguments there could be about spinnerbait and bucktail knockoffs? |
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Location: NorthCentral WI | Zib - 7/24/2013 8:41 PM
I would consider the Curly Sue a spin-off but to Andy's credit, they developed something original as well.
I have heard from a very reliable source that MI has a prototype jigging bait out that's a knock off of the Bondy Bait. You would think that a company that had their bait knocked off wouldn't do it to someone else.
Zib, If that's the case I'm sure MI won't be using a Bondy to make their molds.
Maybe you missed the point... there is an undisputed difference.
Bulldawg vs. Super D
Bulldawg vs. Curly Sue
Donnie, based on this entire thread one might think the Super D is a far superior lure and I just can't agree with that whatsoever. BTW, I'm logged in  Sorry, I didn't want to be blackballed. |
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| I love bulldawgs and don't care for the super D's, on action alone. Where is TI's merch manufactured.....? MI's? Surprised this hasn't come up yet. |
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| *suprised this hasn't come up more, my bad. |
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| Let's see Bulldawgs fall apart for years. SuperD comes in and fixes it with the coil harness. Bulldawg copies it but complains about being copied still? And USA vs China? The Bulldawg was made in China for the last 15 years. The new USA ones are not doing well quality wise either so I will stick with SuperDs. I heard only the custom dawgs are made in the USA and the reg dawgs are all still China dawgs. TI does more for the musky community than any other company I have seen too. Keep up the good work TI. |
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| Both make great baits. You don't need to bash one company or the other. The way some grown men on here get bent out of shape because someone doesn't agree with their favorite is sad.
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Location: Lake "y" cause lake"x" got over fished |
What I do think is funny is from what I am reading the only real complaint with MI is durability issues. Does anyone besides me think it's funny that the dawgs with the quality issues are the ones built in good ole US of A. and the ones without that issue are built in china? I am a true fan of irony, I agree to purchase from local businesses to support our local economy. But the fact that the ones built here are the ones with quality problems makes me laugh on a few different levels. (not saying there are still issues, just saying) |
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Location: Detroit River | FAT-SKI - 7/25/2013 9:02 AM What I do think is funny is from what I am reading the only real complaint with MI is durability issues. Does anyone besides me think it's funny that the dawgs with the quality issues are the ones built in good ole US of A. and the ones without that issue are built in china? I am a true fan of irony, I agree to purchase from local businesses to support our local economy. But the fact that the ones built here are the ones with quality problems makes me laugh on a few different levels. (not saying there are still issues, just saying) From my understanding only the custom MI's are made in the US & the standard colors are made in China. The packaging on the 2 I bought from R&H this year showed they were made in China. |
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Location: Lake "y" cause lake"x" got over fished | Zib - 7/25/2013 11:49 AM
FAT-SKI - 7/25/2013 9:02 AM What I do think is funny is from what I am reading the only real complaint with MI is durability issues. Does anyone besides me think it's funny that the dawgs with the quality issues are the ones built in good ole US of A. and the ones without that issue are built in china? I am a true fan of irony, I agree to purchase from local businesses to support our local economy. But the fact that the ones built here are the ones with quality problems makes me laugh on a few different levels. (not saying there are still issues, just saying) From my understanding only the custom MI's are made in the US & the standard colors are made in China. The packaging on the 2 I bought from R&H this year showed they were made in China.
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Hmmmm, Interesting. I was unaware. Thnks for the correction
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Location: Denmark | I would say both lures have their pros and cons, and what version of the lure are we talking about. The info below applies to lures I have bought during the last three years, and many improvement might have happened to the latest versions of both lures since.
As for the magnums, IMO, the second generation MagD's where great lures, with a perfect consistency in each batch, and a perfect softness of the plastisol. The never versions I have tried, was added less softener in the plastic, and the consistency from batch to batch differs a lot. Not so important, but worth to mention, the eyes on the latest MagD's falls off after a few casts. The second generation MagD's I now fish for years, has never lost an eye?.
In a cold water situations, when I slow roll them, IMO the new MagD's are too stiff, so the tails hardly moves. Here the Magnum bullies are much better(or the second gen D's)
Speaking of the Pounder/MegaD, the action of the Pounder is generally better, as the MagD, tends to tilt to either side, when ripping the lure. Durability of the MegaD is a great though, and the tail moves better than on the MagD's.
The new US made Bullies are great lures, along with the second gen D's the perfect compromise, between plastic softness, and durability.
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| I prefer bulldawgs just cause I prefer the action over the super d's. super d's sink rather than hanglide like the dawgs. But does anyone besides me hate the new thick dawg tails? I say bring back the thin tails of old, especially on the pounders!! The old dawg tail would move when the lure was practically motionless. The new thick ones stall and don't move good with slow speeds. |
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Location: Montreal, Que. Canada | Have you tried dipping the tails of the Dawgs or Pounders in Boiling water at least that is what I've heard works with a Medusa if the rubber is not supple enough.
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Location: Land of the Musky | mskyhntr - 7/25/2013 3:48 PM
I prefer bulldawgs just cause I prefer the action over the super d's. super d's sink rather than hanglide like the dawgs. But does anyone besides me hate the new thick dawg tails? I say bring back the thin tails of old, especially on the pounders!! The old dawg tail would move when the lure was practically motionless. The new thick ones stall and don't move good with slow speeds.
Just an FYI on the new SuperD lures. We redesigned the harnesses and moved the weight back about 30% to give the new lures more of a glide vs a hop. After doing a lot of customer questioning on hop vs glide, about 75% preferred the glide so we made the change. As for the plastisol, all of the new ones have the softer plastisol for a much improved movement through the water. I was concerned about this new rubber but after a lot of testing it was obvious that the body lock coil harness was going to be more than enough to keep the body on the harness and keep the SuperD as a multi-fish boating bait.
A few have already said it here... each bait has its place, time and use. The new MI dawgs look great and I was very impressed at the 2013 musky shows with their color selections. The Medussa lures area also a dream to look at in the water and will catch you some real monsters. Can't wait to see what Esox Tackle has in store for those lures for 2014! And of course my favorite double tail lure from Rubber Hairy probably gets more water time from me on trips than my SuperD lures do. LOL when I get to go fishing... Eric from Rubber Hairy really knows how to pour and paint a swimbait! At the end of the day, be with your kids/friends, go fish and relax  Thats what its all about.
Have a great weekend all,
James
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Location: Minnesota | I e mailed Brad from MI today I was told there baits were made in china. 2 years ago they brought them back to USA .he said right now there is a mix in the store a bought 70 % should be us made. once they go through all the china baits it will be 100% USA .I also found out there working on 5 new baits witch will be made in usa |
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| I can see where MI would be p.o'd at TI for sure. I would be. However, I like both products and James has great respect for his customers. I use them both Nd have more dawgs. However, my fav bait is an older Super D that hops and fishes deeper, is very soft and very durable,(easily has a dozen fish on it). It is a Cisco bait that is a subtle pearl and the back is barely blue - much more subtle than the new Cisco patterns.
I personally would like to see a heavier hopping bait added to one of these companies lineup. Something that I can fish deeper faster with a hop. I have started to use a bondy a lot when casting deeper spots lately, but it tilts at higher speeds and is better for jigging than casting IMO.
I am toying with making my own bondy/heli dawg knockoff, (for personal use). I think a little extra weigh and slightly narrower body on a dawg or D would be a great bait to add to the arsenal.
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