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KentuckyMuskie
Posted 7/16/2013 7:37 PM (#652007)
Subject: At what point is it "caught"?





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Just wondering at what point you guys consider a musky as caught. The reason that I am asking is that I had a 43 to 45 incher in the net over the weekend. I had just released her from the hooks and was working on grabbing my camera for a self-auto picture. When I went back at the net, the old girl jumped vertical, wiggled, and fell over the side of the net and took off like an angry torpedo.

I counted her as a catch and release because I got her into the net. Not that anyone really cares, because it doesn't really count for anything except for my stupid log book. What do you guys count as a catch? When she is boatside, in the net, in the boat, measured, or a picture is taken?

I wound up catching a few more that day, and I snapped a quick picture of them in the net before they could get the jump on me.



Marshall
Posted 7/16/2013 7:39 PM (#652008 - in reply to #652007)
Subject: Re: At what point is it "caught"?





Posts: 406


Location: Stones throw away...finally!!
In the net...
muskyhunter47
Posted 7/16/2013 7:43 PM (#652010 - in reply to #652007)
Subject: Re: At what point is it "caught"?




Posts: 1638


Location: Minnesota
if its in the net its caught
Mr Musky
Posted 7/16/2013 8:21 PM (#652019 - in reply to #652007)
Subject: RE: At what point is it "caught"?


Leader touch.
milje
Posted 7/16/2013 8:24 PM (#652020 - in reply to #652007)
Subject: Re: At what point is it "caught"?




Posts: 410


Location: Wakefield, MI
When I have control of it, usually in the net but sometimes like a small pike I'll let it throw the hook if I can see it will come out easy.
beerforthemuskygods
Posted 7/16/2013 8:26 PM (#652021 - in reply to #652019)
Subject: RE: At what point is it "caught"?




Posts: 410


Location: one foot over the line
12 feet away from the boat....I call it a "gimme"....
Hunter4
Posted 7/16/2013 8:28 PM (#652022 - in reply to #652007)
Subject: Re: At what point is it "caught"?




Posts: 720


In the net. Good catch.
Pointerpride102
Posted 7/16/2013 8:52 PM (#652026 - in reply to #652007)
Subject: Re: At what point is it "caught"?





Posts: 16632


Location: The desert
Once it's on the wall.
danmuskyman
Posted 7/16/2013 8:54 PM (#652027 - in reply to #652007)
Subject: Re: At what point is it "caught"?




Posts: 633


Location: Madison, WI
when its in the fryer
muddymusky
Posted 7/16/2013 9:02 PM (#652028 - in reply to #652007)
Subject: RE: At what point is it "caught"?




Posts: 569


Leader touch
ManitouDan
Posted 7/16/2013 9:11 PM (#652030 - in reply to #652007)
Subject: Re: At what point is it "caught"?




Posts: 567


Old Canadian guide say " no picture no fish " or maybe that was my brother
ski glider
Posted 7/16/2013 9:38 PM (#652033 - in reply to #652007)
Subject: Re: At what point is it "caught"?




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I fumbled one about 10 years ago going from the net to the pic pose still wish I had a pic of that one..consider it caught once in the net but without a pic it will still bother you
Stein
Posted 7/16/2013 11:05 PM (#652042 - in reply to #652007)
Subject: Re: At what point is it "caught"?





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Location: Nebraska
Lost my PB last year, unhooked, pulling out of net for photo, it flopped and rather than let it hit the deck I let it go overboard. My buddies said "no measurement, no catch" but I was OK calling it a catch when I laid my hands on it. Better for the fish and it's just a number.

Edited by Stein 7/16/2013 11:06 PM
Madhatter
Posted 7/16/2013 11:11 PM (#652043 - in reply to #652007)
Subject: Re: At what point is it "caught"?




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How about hooking into a fish and walking it up and down the side of the boat, like a dog, a few times because realize your gf 's little brother took all but the 2 walleye nets out of the boat earlier...? Catch or not?
ckhawkeye51
Posted 7/16/2013 11:12 PM (#652044 - in reply to #652007)
Subject: Re: At what point is it "caught"?




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In the net but I bet it's really eating at you that you didn't get the pic. I take a quick picture of every musky I catch. I have them in order in a book. It's fun to go back and visualize each memory and some day my kids can see my progression as a Muskie nut lol!

Edited by ckhawkeye51 7/16/2013 11:14 PM
NPike_Guy
Posted 7/16/2013 11:24 PM (#652046 - in reply to #652007)
Subject: Re: At what point is it "caught"?




Posts: 46


Does it count as caught if you and the fish are hooked on the same bait at the same time?
esoxfly
Posted 7/17/2013 2:00 AM (#652052 - in reply to #652007)
Subject: Re: At what point is it "caught"?





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Location: Kodiak, AK
<p>I say in the net, it's a fish all the way.  Leader touch is a saltwater thing, but that's because you don't net marlin or tuna.  I'd say that's fair, but I see it as "all the way" and for muskies, that's the net.  That said, it'd bug the hell out of me if I didn't get a pic or a measurement on a monster.</p><p>Edit- for a "50+" or "monster" claim it's gotta be on a bump board.</p>

Edited by esoxfly 7/17/2013 2:05 AM
anzomcik
Posted 7/17/2013 5:24 AM (#652053 - in reply to #652007)
Subject: Re: At what point is it "caught"?





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It doesn't count until you get the gaff in their side, or if a gaff isn't your taste a single "hit" shot with a .22 is when it counts...That was a joke.

I do a lot of bank fishing and carring as net isn't always an option. So if I have a fish to the bank for a reasonable amount of time (time that it would take to net the fish if I had a net) I would count it. Understand that once I get the fish to the bank I tend to free spool the reel and go to my bag and dig out my tools and walk back and climb down to the fish to unhook, if the fish come free in this process I feel its a win win, I caught the fish, and I didn't have to fish the fish in the unhooking.

I also take the approach that if I were fishing to keep the fish and bring it home to eat it (im not) that if the fish is at my feet long enough to gaff it to drag it aboard it would count as caught because my starving family wouldn't care how it was killed just that its there.

I don't count fish that are lost near the boat or bank when the net hasn't hit the water (u could have a buddy who botched the net job so bad the fish came off, I feel it should still be count as a caught fish, you just don't have a photo of you holding it), or I haven't free spooled to get the tools. Its all a judgement call, but I also do not hold every fish for a photo, I may take a pic of the bait in the mouth so not netting every fish is a positive thing for the way I do it. To add another a photo of the bait in the mouth justifies a catch for me.

Have your own guide lines and keep it consistant and have your boat partner do the same, its fishing and its suposto be fun.

By the way, length measurement only counts if you actually measure it.

Edited by anzomcik 7/17/2013 5:29 AM
bwalsh
Posted 7/17/2013 5:57 AM (#652056 - in reply to #652007)
Subject: RE: At what point is it "caught"?




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I would say in the net and with the hooks removed. That is when it is under control. You can lose control of it later, but for that moment at least, its been caught.
curleytail
Posted 7/17/2013 6:50 AM (#652060 - in reply to #652007)
Subject: Re: At what point is it "caught"?




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Location: Hayward, WI
Normally I'd consider when the fish is in the net a caught fish. If it's one that I purposefully unhook while in the water (not common), I'd consider that a catch too.

I don't agree with no picture, not caught. If I catch a fish that I feel is stressed, bleeding, etc and don't take a picture, but I had control of the fish, that was a caught fish.

In your case, you caught it!
Junkman
Posted 7/17/2013 6:54 AM (#652061 - in reply to #652056)
Subject: RE: At what point is it "caught"?




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I think you should be very liberal here, a really good follow, a swing and a miss, barely hooked, not quited netted. Go ahead and count them all. Absolutely no need of a photo, I BELIEVE YOU...I really do. Especially now, when the waters are reaching over the 80 mark, just claim what you want....bringing her into the boat for a photo is only going to make her look smaller and people on the boards will only criticize you if you put up a photo with a measurement. Leave them in the water and say it was a "Fifty," that's what I say!
Tim R
Posted 7/17/2013 7:00 AM (#652062 - in reply to #652007)
Subject: Re: At what point is it "caught"?





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Location: Ontario
If you asked the fish what had happened, It would suggest it had been "caught ".
kustomboy
Posted 7/17/2013 7:07 AM (#652065 - in reply to #652007)
Subject: Re: At what point is it "caught"?





Posts: 256


In the net.
ToothyCritter
Posted 7/17/2013 7:38 AM (#652073 - in reply to #652007)
Subject: Re: At what point is it "caught"?





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Location: Roscoe IL
I would think,,, If it's a members only contest for muskies inc and you did't measure it then it's a no catch considering your fishing for points. If you get her in the net in any other capacity it's a catch. Not sure how this would work in a tournament situation?
Pepper
Posted 7/17/2013 8:22 AM (#652084 - in reply to #652007)
Subject: Re: At what point is it "caught"?




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Is it caught if your net man doesn't get it into the net but knocks it off the hook instead?
Corso Mike
Posted 7/17/2013 8:24 AM (#652086 - in reply to #652021)
Subject: RE: At what point is it "caught"?




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beerforthemuskygods - 7/16/2013 8:26 PM

12 feet away from the boat....I call it a "gimme".... :)

Seems like have my hookups are half that distance in a figure 8.
MRichardson
Posted 7/17/2013 9:24 AM (#652101 - in reply to #652007)
Subject: RE: At what point is it "caught"?





I consider it caught when I think to myself  “Aww crap, now I have to unhook this thing”  Sometimes that’s in the net sometimes it’s just next to the boat

hoosierhunter
Posted 7/17/2013 9:25 AM (#652102 - in reply to #652007)
Subject: Re: At what point is it "caught"?





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What are the water temps in Kentucky?
stdevos
Posted 7/17/2013 11:49 AM (#652155 - in reply to #652007)
Subject: Re: At what point is it "caught"?





Posts: 416


Location: Madtown, WI
I fumbled my first 50" while lifting it out of the net, didn't get a measurement (or picture) so it wasn't verified but I still counted it. I caught a 49" a couple hours later and there was no question the first fish was at least 50". Have to admit I had some nightmares that night. Felt better when I got a 51" the following day

I still think the "unmeasured fish" was bigger though.... maybe 52+".
zombietrolling
Posted 7/17/2013 4:46 PM (#652268 - in reply to #652007)
Subject: Re: At what point is it "caught"?




Posts: 246


When you see one super shallow in the sun ignoring every lure you throw at it.
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