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Location: Chisholm, MN | OK, so I'm seriously gonna start making double bladed bucktails. Few questions for you guys that do it well. Maybe there are a ton of threads on this already, but I couldn't find them. Point me in the right direction if there already are.
So looking at lure parts online, I'm trying to figure out everything I will need. I guess I'm just confused at the sizes for a few things.
What size clevis' and split rings?
What lure body and bead sizes are best?
Do you guys use the spring coils for tying flashabou?
Also, are round nose pliers going to be good enough for a beginner such as myself?
I don't see the blades I want. Looking for 9s and up in .025 thickness. Where else can I find them at a good price?
I basically want all the parts used in a cowgirl but will be making them with my own "twist".
Thanks for any help. |
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| Kirby,
go with the mag clevises if you're planning on making 10s, 12s, 13s, etc. IMO DO NOT go with the double sided clevise. I believe the bodies I used were the .5 oz size but I can't recall since I ordered them so long ago. For beads I ordered 1/4 and 5/16 I think...again can't remember. I just use the unweighted bucktail coils for the flash. yes, the round nose pliers work well for beginner or pro.
Muskyshop.com has the .025 blades but they are pricey and only sell one per pack, which doesnt make sense to me. I used to order through lurepartsonline but I also noticed they didn't have the .025 blades available in any but the polished blades or the tiger print blades.
Hedron is a place I was told to order the flash from. They strand it out for you and don't put the ring at the top in the packaging so the flash doesnt crimp at the tiop. Check out some saltwater flash too i love that stuff for baits! |
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| http://www.mooreslures.com/2013Catalog.pdf
there are some bigger blades |
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Location: Stevens Point WI | Check out esox assult's website. If you are serious about tying alot of bucktails, you can buy flash in more of a bulk size and it will cost way less than Rollies. Jans Netcraft is another place that sells flash (and many other styles of flash) and at a reasonable price. Those are the two places that I buy mine from.
As for the other supplies, shop around. I agree with using the mag clevis and I use 1/4 and 5/16 hollow beads. Make sure that the split rings that you choose are not larger that the beads when you are making them. Also spend the money and get the good round nose pliers.....they make things ALOT easier and the twists turn out way better too. |
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Location: New Hope MN | There's a great DVD that Thorne Bro's sells. BUY it! it's old and shows marabou and hair. But honestly, hair is WAY harder to tie than flashabou IMO. |
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Location: Lake "y" cause lake"x" got over fished | I am not very good at tieing flashabou myself, I go the cheater way and buy them pre tied. But if you are going to tie them yourself the spring coils are the way to go, it makes things a lot easier IMHO.
Round nose pliers are really nice for getting the bend you want in the top and bottom of the wire. Making sure it is straight, and you have good sized loops.
Also don't get the double clevis as stated previously, get heavy duty single clevises. Also depending on the size wire you choose will depend on how durable it is and, how many fish it will hold up through. Then again, you could catch a monster right off the bat and the fish will bend it before a second cast. |
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Location: Detroit River | What size clevis? #6 for size 8 blades & under, #8 for blades larger than 8 What size split rings? #5 & #7 heavy duty. I like the Bucher split rings (MTO has them).
What lure body and bead sizes are best? Not sure on the body size that I use but it's about 1 3/8" long. For beads I use 1/4" & 5/16" I put the larger 5/16' solid bead just under the clevis. The solid bead prevents the clevis from wearing out, which the hollow beads will do because they cut into the clevis.
Lakeland has a good selection of .025 thick blades & you don't have to order the minimum quantity. |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | Thanks guys! All good info here and that answers my questions I think....for now. |
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Location: Not where I want to be! | Great selection of flashabou and better prices. http://www.leadersandlures.com/ |
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| Go to Fleet Farm and get a 6' section of throttle cable and use that to tie to. It's way cheaper than ordering the shorter lengths. I use size D rod building thread which Thorne's has in a variety of colors, and make sure you have a good bobbin that has a ceramic tip insert so you don't break your thread mid-lure. I use 'Hard-as-Hull' for my glue, which dries to a nice shine with a few thin coats. I agree on the DVD "Musjie Bucktail Tying 101" from Thorne Bros., that's how I learned. I like using bucktail a lot more than flashabou or marabou because you can blend colors better, though it is more difficult to tie with. When buying a bucktail or marabou take each one out individually if you can and try to find the longest one possible, you can always trim it shorter. A very important tool is your "Third Hand" vise-grips. I had a friend weld an adjustable "T" shaped arm that clamps on a table top with a modified gripper and has a long-nose grips for holding the throttle cable to tie to. Also, you'll need a good nippers for making clean cuts on your wires, a round nose for loops, a lineman and vise grip pliers for twists, and a good, sharp scissors.
It can be a big up front investment before even tying, but once you or a buddy catch one on a lure you made it'll all be worth it. |
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Location: South-Central PA | I'm not sure where you're looking, but LPO has a ton of musky blades.
http://lurepartsonline.com/Online-Store/Muskie-Blades/
jeremy |
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Location: St. John, Indiana | Anyone have a copy of the DVD they are referring to, "Muskie Bucktail Tying 101", and not using it anymore? |
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Location: Minneapolis | check it out!
http://vimeo.com/40660012
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Location: St. John, Indiana | Thank you sir |
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Location: Minnesota | The cheapest wire bender that I have ever seen is taking 2 drywall screws and screwing them into a small chunk of 2x4 - spacing them apart equal to the diameter of wire you will be using. You cut the tops off of the screws with your boltcutter and you have yourself a wire bender.
I used 2 chunks of 2x4 - about 6"-8" in length - I screwd the two together to make more of a block - it was easier to hold onto and have leverage for me. My wire bends with this method are not perfect circles - they are oblong but I don't think the fish really care. If I was selling lures I would want a perfect circle.
I buy my throttle cable from ACME tools - it is dirt cheap as they have it in bulk - just buy the length that you want. I cut the throttle cable about 1/2" in length and bend out one of the ends about 90 degrees so I can place it in a fly-tying vice that is on my workbench. You can either leave it like that when you build your bucktail or cut off the "tag".
If you want cheap lure bodies - just use worm weights or bullet weights - they aren't shiny but get the job done.
Places I have ordered from in the past;
Musky Tackle Online
Moore's
Stamina
Lure Parts Online
Jann's Netcraft
Cabela's
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Location: deephaven mn | i tie maribou to the throttle cable, it is better than tying direct to wire because if your wire gets bent you can rebuild the bait. |
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Location: St. John, Indiana | I've never used the throttle cable, you guys are you throttle cable housing correct? Can you use surgical tubing as well? |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | That video put it all together for me. Thanks! |
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Location: St. John, Indiana | I wish they showed a close up of the wire wrapping,mine always look like garbage |
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| for those of you who have tied double 10 baits with marabou, how much of that stuff do you need to make a proper sized bait for the bigger blades? Do you use more than 2 coils per bait as is standard with flashabou baits? |
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Location: SE, WI. | Mike; For my boo dbls, I use moores lures 3 inch keel weighted coil. You can tie 3 or 4 groups of boo on that coil. If you want your bucktail longer, then you will need another coil section or longer coil. Most dbl 10's , tinsels, are tied with 2, 1 inch coils, and separated by beads to make longer profile . Your choice of word, "Proper", well, not sure if any custom made bait is proper. ;-) The 3 inch coil is large enough for my needs, but might not be enough for your needs...;-) |
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better prices??
price look very high to me |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | Here a better video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NJipXhcuE0
The only poor move is the guy cuts the wire instead of breaking it. Breaking the wire allow a cleaner edge and when grabbing weeds off the lure like we do here on the Yahara Chain you could very easily cut your hand open when you rub by this burr edge after cutting.
I have a pdf on how to make single strand leader and the loop section can also be used making bucktails. Email me at [email protected] requesting it. |
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| Enlighten me here...
I always assumed the blades on the CG's were # 10 Colorado's? Looking around at some of these sites it seems maybe they are actually indiana's or blade unique to themselves right between a colorado and an indiana?
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Location: The Yahara Chain | Guest - 1/30/2013 5:33 PM
Enlighten me here...
I always assumed the blades on the CG's were # 10 Colorado's? Looking around at some of these sites it seems maybe they are actually indiana's or blade unique to themselves right between a colorado and an indiana?
The blade style is a Magnum, you can get them in 8's, 9's, 10's and 12's.
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Location: The Yahara Chain | Ronix - 1/28/2013 3:16 PM
for those of you who have tied double 10 baits with marabou, how much of that stuff do you need to make a proper sized bait for the bigger blades? Do you use more than 2 coils per bait as is standard with flashabou baits?
I use three or four ties of marabou on my standard 10's. Three if I put hackle on them, four if I don't. I also make a 17" bou tail that has seven ties on it. Here are some that I made last weekend. The nines pictured have two bou and one hackle.
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Location: Yahara River Chain | Cowgirls from Muskie Mayhem are #10 Colorado. Showgirls are double 8s Colorado Colorado and Jr Cowgirls are double mag 8s and super models are double 13s Colorado |
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Location: The Yahara Chain | muskie! nut - 1/30/2013 10:13 PM
Cowgirls from Muskie Mayhem are #10 Colorado. Showgirls are double 8s Colorado Colorado and Jr Cowgirls are double mag 8s and super models are double 13s Colorado
Gerard they are not Colorado, they are Magnum blades. Magnum is a blade style just like Colorado, Indiana, ect.
The Jr Cowgirl blade is the exact same style (magnum) of blade as the 10's.
The Super Model is a different blade all together, that I believe Mayhem created themselves.
edit: The showgirls are a Colorado blade. |
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| Bytor thanks for the pics and advice, nice looking baits! |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | I just ordered everything from Moore's Lures over the phone. Best buying experience I have ever had! What a nice guy and super helpful in helping me pick out everything I need! |
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