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| I have heard that a fish can dissolve a hook in a relatively short amount of time. Is that true? I had a real deep tongue hooking with the back hook of a junior DBl. could reach it with the pliers and could get at it through the gills. and had to cut the whole treble off and let her go. I felt like #*#* and am just looking for some condolences. I am really hoping she lives. I was stuck between keeping her out of the water and getting the hook out. Did I make the right decision? |
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Location: Gilberts IL/Rhinelander WI | Hook left in the tongue = done |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | just like a can a Coke ... be gone by morning! |
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| Am I the only one thinking why is a hook to the tongue a death sentence to a musky? I am seriously asking why here?? |
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | I have caught 4 fish that I can remember with hooks still in them. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. |
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| Not an automatic death sentence. Likely it will fall out over time as the tissue rejects it...it isn't going to disolve.
Years back the Wisc DNR did a (single sucker hook)study where they gut hooked fish and left the hooks in over the winter and by spring almost all of the fish were dead, autopsy's on the fish showed 100% of the hooks to be still intact after month's in the fish's stomach. ..so no they won't dissolve. In the end all the gut hooked test fish perished.
On tactic to consider in the future is keeping your grip on the fish and constantly re-dipping the fish back into the net/water on a tough release keeping it fresh and get multiple opportunities to do surgery instead of one all or nothing rush against time. Keep the fish upright when you give it a drink as they do very poorly when upside down.
Bottom line...you did what you felt was best and a fish back in the water is always better than one kept out of it untill it's dead. |
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Location: MN | "I have caught 4 fish that I can remember with hooks still in them. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it."
I think what was being referred to here was specifically a hook in the tongue. And there definitely seem to be differing opinions... |
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Location: north metro, MN | A couple of weeks ago I lost a fish that came straight up out of nowhere on the eight. I set the hook and instantly the line broke. She came in so fast and turned away so fast that I didn't see much and I figured she missed everything and got the line in her mouth but about an hour later the fish jumped out in front of the boat with the buck tail in her mouth and she was trying to throw it. the next evening I set the hook on a fish had it pinned up net guy ready and all. the first time she came to the surface she was about 5 yards from the boat and there is my home made double 10 still in the side of her mouth along with my black and silver spinnerbait. I wish I could post pics but she threw my spinner bait and was gone.. again! Do they dissolve hooks.. I do not know, but as long as that treble does not stop her from eating then I don't think you have any worries.. Also I would say if there is any place in a muskies mouth where they would be able to dissolve hooks I would guess the tongue or anything deeper in the mouth would be the spot. As others have said, there is no need for you to beat yourself up about it. |
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| My neighbor fishes bass tournaments regularly. He says every fish he catches that gets hooked in then tongue eventually dies even after removing the hook. He has a pro air ssystem and adds chemicals to the water like the pros use but it doesn't matter they die anyway. He said your they are not tourney fishing tongue hooked fish swim away fine but if they keep them for weigh in they die before they get to the scale. I wonder if same is true for tongue hooked Muskies but we don't know it because we release them immediately? |
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Location: Lake "y" cause lake"x" got over fished | itmusky - 8/15/2012 9:45 PM
Am I the only one thinking why is a hook to the tongue a death sentence to a musky? I am seriously asking why here??
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I have also heard that muskies hooked in the tongue will die eventually, and there are mixed posts on this thread saying that is is/or is not a death sentence. But I too am asking why?? I get that people believe that they will die but why?? I don't understand the logic behind it. Is it something that they could die from right away? overtime? within a few hours? Someone lend me a hand here and explain this one to me. |
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| Bottom mouth area, in and around the tongue is one of the worst nightmares trying to unhook a fish.. very finicky area.. any fish hooked in that area in my boat has a low survival rate especially with bucktails and tinsel and hair all over... hard to even find the hooks... have to be super careful not to rip any flesh or gill in that area... have to be like a doctor to somehow ease those hooks out without tearing anything. i noticed if any parts are torn in that lower tongue area the fish twirls when it tries to swim away and cant go down.. fish is toast... never ever leave a hook in a fish at all costs they will croak.
Sometimes a pic hook has saved me, by barely jiggling the hooks w/ the pic.. probably just got lucky but it worked and no flesh torn by the tongue or gill.
Edited by Slow Rollin 8/16/2012 8:20 AM
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Location: Black Creek, WI | I can only speculate on the mortality rate of such an event... so won't comment. My preference is to never leave iron in a fish. I'd rather extend the surgury time or increase flesh damage in an effort to remove it. Could be a bad choice... but its mine to make. Since adding a Hook Pick and Fish Gripper (Cabelas) to my tool box.... deeply hooked fish have NOT been an issue for me. In fact, my bolt cutter is rarely used anymore... and when it is... its more out of convenience for myself than it is for the health of the fish. You may want to considering getting a set of those if you do not currently have them. Good luck. |
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Location: Hayward, WI | If you've ever hooked a fish in the tongue you'd know why the mortaility rate is high for those fish. Lots of blood flow there - they will bleed like crazy after being tongue hooked. If you have a fish hooked in the tongue or anywhere causing it to bleed it's probably smart to unhook it in the water and do a water release.
I would try to remove the hooks no matter what. I've had fish with hooks in their gills and after careful surgery with hook cutters and long pliers released them without damage or bleeding.
Just my observations after dealing with a few that were hooked badly.
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| A tool called Grab-It has been a huge help in unhooking fish for me . |
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| i have never seen a single drop of bloods coming out of a musky that have been caught by the tongue.
i have never witness the death of one caused by destroyed tongue too,but what happen to those fish hours after they swim away i have no idea.1 thing is sure it's not something really good for them.
now concern the hook left in a mouth,once the rust is installed the fish have a lot of chance to contract all kind of illness,that will result in a death sentence. |
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| There are two reasons why I use treble hooks that are barbless. First is to make it easier to get the hook out of my finger/hand; second is to make it easier to get the hook out of the fish. I don't understand why barbless treble hooks haven't caught on (no pun intended). |
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Location: Lake "y" cause lake"x" got over fished | My wife caught a 45" last year on a 3inch rattle bait in the fall. Both trebles were in the tongue. I was able to get both out, I did not see any blood and the fish swam away strong. We waited 30-45 minutes and it never came back up. Not saying it may not have died later, but in the moment and time we waited it seemed to do just fine. I also caught a fish last year that had a treble left in the top of the mouth as well. It looked as though whomever caught it tried to do some minor surgery prior to release. There was two of the three trebles in there and I was able to get them out with a simple knipex hook cut and they were free. The hooks were not rusted so it must not have been in there all that long. I guess it may depend on how strong the fish is...? Or maybe the hooks in the tongue have to go through a vein for it to be a bad situation...? Not sure... Obviously none of us want to kill a fish and will do what we can to save their life (can't catch dead ones). I suppose it just depends |
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| muskyteer - 8/16/2012 11:01 AM
There are two reasons why I use treble hooks that are barbless. First is to make it easier to get the hook out of my finger/hand; second is to make it easier to get the hook out of the fish. I don't understand why barbless treble hooks haven't caught on (no pun intended).
Do you know where I could buy all barbless hooks.. i know i can pinch mine and/or cut off the barb, but would be nice to buy them already barbless. thanks |
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| If you leave a hook in the gills that is bad.
If you use stainless hooks they will never dissolve.
If you use bronze hooks they should dissolve eventually.
I've caught a few more than 320 muskies over 30" and have never hooked one in the tongue. How are you guys doing it?
Its probably better to leave the hooks in rather than spend a long time trying to get them out.
If you are going to worry about fish mortality, may I suggest walleyes?
BTW, with Wisconsin's new live bait laws we are required to use circle hooks which are only found in stainless varieties, and stainless never dissolves. How is that better than using a hooks that may dissolve? |
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| Side bar: the heart is located just below and behind where the lower gills come together...so in the throat area. Deeply hooked fish that are pouring out blood generally have a hook in this area...very close to the tongue. |
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| Circle hooks are not ALL stainless. Whether others dissolve over time is debateable. |
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| Pierced tongues are all the rage right now! |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | elTim164 - 8/16/2012 2:00 PM
If you leave a hook in the gills that is bad.
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If you use stainless hooks they will never dissolve.
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If you use bronze hooks they should dissolve eventually.
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I've caught a few more than 320 muskies over 30" and have never hooked one in the tongue. How are you guys doing it?
--just lucky?--
Its probably better to leave the hooks in rather than spend a long time trying to get them out.
--not necessarily, a dead fish is a dead fish, it depends on where the hook is--
If you are going to worry about fish mortality, may I suggest walleyes?
--nope, I'll take as much care as I can--
BTW, with Wisconsin's new live bait laws we are required to use circle hooks which are only found in stainless varieties, and stainless never dissolves. How is that better than using a hooks that may dissolve?
--A circle hook almost always hooks the fish in the corner of the mouth. J hooks were swallow rigs, and were kill rigs all the way, and quick strike rigs are still legal, I believe--- |
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Location: Minnesota. | Barbless helps, bigtime! |
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| muskyteer - 8/16/2012 11:01 AM
There are two reasons why I use treble hooks that are barbless. First is to make it easier to get the hook out of my finger/hand; second is to make it easier to get the hook out of the fish. I don't understand why barbless treble hooks haven't caught on (no pun intended).
You haven't lost enough tanks to even fully understand why we use barbed hooks. Proper tools and a little bit of time is better then leaving any steel in a fish. |
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| Paul - 8/16/2012 8:20 PM
muskyteer - 8/16/2012 11:01 AM
There are two reasons why I use treble hooks that are barbless. First is to make it easier to get the hook out of my finger/hand; second is to make it easier to get the hook out of the fish. I don't understand why barbless treble hooks haven't caught on (no pun intended).
You haven't lost enough tanks to even fully understand why we use barbed hooks. Proper tools and a little bit of time is better then leaving any steel in a fish.
That is not true. If you are losing large fish it has nothing to do with hooks. My percentage especially with large fish went up with going barbless. I did it for safety as I fished alone on rivers such as the ottawa/larry and being hooked to those fish could end up poorly. Barbless trebles are good for the fish, the angler, and the percentage of landing them. Much easier to get hooks into a fish and very nice to release them without the stress of cutting hooks, that take awhile. BR |
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| alot of times i will clip the barb off the hook and make sure its removed (way easier without a barb). A hook pik works great thou. Its my new tool that has increased de-hooking times. |
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| Anyone know where i can purchase barbless trebles? Right now i pinch or cut off some barbs, but would like to purchase them barbless up front if i can...anyone? |
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Location: Sauk Centre MN | Which hook pick are you guys using? I've never gilled or tongued one but this post has got me worried. My hook cutter, long needle nose, grabber and cool demeanor (yeah right) has made successful releases the norm but now that I've said this I'm sure the next fish will swallow the entire lure.... |
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Location: oswego, il | I read through this whole thing and it is still amazing to see so many people still think hooks dissolve in fish. When i was a kid we caught and cleaned a pike that had a treble hook that was about to come out it's keyster opening. I knew back then this was a myth. Metals are way better now then back then. In no way will they ever dissolve. |
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