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| Thinking about getting a mast system. Running an 18' boat. Looking for feed back regarding using masts over individual boards on smaller boats. Running no more than 6 lines. |
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Location: Detroit River | My buddy runs a mast on his 18' center console on LSC. His boat sux for trolling in higher winds though & that pushes us off the lake. He has the mast mounted on the very front of the bow next to the trolling motor. |
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| Before I bought my "big boat" I ran a mast and boards out of my 14 foot aluminum fishing for walleye out on lake erie. I prefer to run the mast and boards as compaired to inlines, I use them both but prefer the mast system.
It takes a little learning to drive it, but well worth it IMO. |
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| Any of you guys ever try and just tie the planer board line to the side cleat and not use the mast? I was wondering if this would work if you kept the length to 50' or less. |
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Location: Detroit River | Juhas - 7/22/2012 1:32 PM
Any of you guys ever try and just tie the planer board line to the side cleat and not use the mast? I was wondering if this would work if you kept the length to 50' or less.
Yes you can tie to your cleat. My buddy did that before he got the mast. There's plans on the net to make your own boards. The homemade wooden board are a lot better than the plastic ones you buy in the store, especially when trolling big water.
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Location: colorado | I run a mask on my 18' Lund fisherman. I built my board off of plans found on line. also have the otter boards. the are not as nice in big water that is ruff but for most of my trolling they work just fine. I tried a short mask at first but had a hard time getting the releases to slide out away from the boat with that set up. my mask is for right side only because i wanted to run the shore line with it. (here in colorado the lakes are counter clockwise) I mounted my system right infront of my windsheild and can work lines and drive just fine. I really enjoy running a line in deeper water and having the board in the shallows. my system is the big john manual and i like it just fine. Good luck |
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| cocathntr - 7/23/2012 11:03 PM
I run a mask on my 18' Lund fisherman. I built my board off of plans found on line. also have the otter boards. the are not as nice in big water that is ruff but for most of my trolling they work just fine. I tried a short mask at first but had a hard time getting the releases to slide out away from the boat with that set up. my mask is for right side only because i wanted to run the shore line with it. (here in colorado the lakes are counter clockwise) I mounted my system right infront of my windsheild and can work lines and drive just fine. I really enjoy running a line in deeper water and having the board in the shallows. my system is the big john manual and i like it just fine. Good luck What does that mean? They force you to go one way on a lake?
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Location: Detroit River | zombietrolling - 7/24/2012 5:48 PM
cocathntr - 7/23/2012 11:03 PM
I run a mask on my 18' Lund fisherman. I built my board off of plans found on line. also have the otter boards. the are not as nice in big water that is ruff but for most of my trolling they work just fine. I tried a short mask at first but had a hard time getting the releases to slide out away from the boat with that set up. my mask is for right side only because i wanted to run the shore line with it. (here in colorado the lakes are counter clockwise) I mounted my system right infront of my windsheild and can work lines and drive just fine. I really enjoy running a line in deeper water and having the board in the shallows. my system is the big john manual and i like it just fine. Good luck What does that mean? They force you to go one way on a lake?
There's a few lakes here in Michigan that I fish that have the counter clockwise rule & there's always idiots that don't follow it. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | i run 2-12' board lines, 2-#1 dipsies, 2-#3 dipsies and 2-downriggers out of a 690 ... if running 6 lines i'd drop out a dipsy and leave it at that. the 12' rods get the boards out pretty comfortably and i guess i'd suggest using downriggers instead of a mast chris.
i mounted 2-6" traxtech tracks in the back deck corners and they work really slick! |
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Location: lansing, il | Take your 3rd down punt on this one sled. This is something you know little or nothing about so I wouldnt try to pretend on this one. Your set up is great for certain applications but dont apply here. |
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| Mr. Sled,
Why in the heck would you run a 12' rod on a planer board. I do believe the function of the board is to spread the lines, the ridiculoursly long rod will do nothing to spread the boards more, rather it would be a pain in the neck either having to land a fish with a 12' rod in a boat of that size. The guy fighting the fish would need to nearly be in the bow. Same for the unclipping boards. as muskyhnter stated, PUNT. |
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | In a smaller boat I would suggest running two single reel masts instead of a single center mast. This keeps the lines from crossing over the boat when turning. |
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Location: Smith Creek | Are we talking muskie trolling?
I have a mast and board setup I don't use. I'll sell it to you. Inline boards=less slack line=fewer fish lost.
12' rods can be handy when running multiple boards. Nice for the outside lines. Good for swinging boards over other lines.
Like the poster above said, cleats are tough because being lower to the water the clip doesn't want to slide all the way out. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | Guest - 7/25/2012 11:23 AM
Mr. Sled,
Why in the heck would you run a 12' rod on a planer board. I do believe the function of the board is to spread the lines, the ridiculoursly long rod will do nothing to spread the boards more, rather it would be a pain in the neck either having to land a fish with a 12' rod in a boat of that size. The guy fighting the fish would need to nearly be in the bow. Same for the unclipping boards. as muskyhnter stated, PUNT.
if you are salmon fishing and run them out of the front they work sweet ... but, we run 8-lines with 2 dipsies. not a problem at all. 10's for front #3 dipsies, 9's for the #1's and 8's for the downrigger lines. 8-lines in a 20' boat ...
i figure he was salmon fishing??
i got the advice from the nice people at the st. croix rod factory and just passing it along, it worked really well for us.
maybe try fishing instead of football on this one champ ... never said i know it all, but in this case took some good advice, put it into motion and have gotten consistent results when we've been out. same rig setup confirmed by my teacher who echoed the nice-ity of fishing that many lines in a 690. i believe chris' boat is even a bit larger and he's only planning to run 6? if i read the post correctly.
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Location: Detroit River | Flambeauski - 7/25/2012 2:05 PM
Are we talking muskie trolling?
I have a mast and board setup I don't use. I'll sell it to you. Inline boards=less slack line=fewer fish lost.
12' rods can be handy when running multiple boards. Nice for the outside lines. Good for swinging boards over other lines.
Like the poster above said, cleats are tough because being lower to the water the clip doesn't want to slide all the way out.
People that use in-line boards on LSC (mainly walleye guys) lose their boards to weed bombs & from musky trying to eat them. |
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| Looks to me like the proof is in the pudding Mr. MuskiHntr? or in this case a stringer of nice fish. Yah he must not know what he is doing. Maybe you should try fishing instead of exercising your fingers typing stuff to bash a former good friend of yours? |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | muskihntr - 7/25/2012 11:02 AM
Take your 3rd down punt on this one sled. This is something you know little or nothing about so I wouldnt try to pretend on this one. Your set up is great for certain applications but dont apply here.
never passed mindreading ... glad you did john. why doesn't chris just ask you?? i'll be sure to let the good people at st. croix rod what you think of their advice when i'm there next week to pick up my 10'ers.
tight lines ... you should go fishing, might help you to relax bud. |
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| Apples and oranges. Your set up is great for what you did, and you probably got some sound advise from some people who have been doing it a long time and they got you on the fish fairly quick, and had some great results. However it does not compare to what a guy might be looking into a mast is trying to achieve. Without knowing what he is trying to achieve or even target, how can you advise him to set up his boat like you did and not use a mast/ board system. What if achieving depth has nothing to do with it? Why would he want to run Dipsys and DR? |
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Location: Smith Creek | Zib - 7/25/2012 1:37 PM
Flambeauski - 7/25/2012 2:05 PM
Are we talking muskie trolling?
I have a mast and board setup I don't use. I'll sell it to you. Inline boards=less slack line=fewer fish lost.
12' rods can be handy when running multiple boards. Nice for the outside lines. Good for swinging boards over other lines.
Like the poster above said, cleats are tough because being lower to the water the clip doesn't want to slide all the way out.
People that use in-line boards on LSC (mainly walleye guys ) lose their boards to weed bombs & from musky trying to eat them.
No doubt there's situations where a mast system is better than an in-line system. In my experience the slack line a fish gets with the mast system allows them to throw hooks. Convenience of the mast is nice when fishing weedy lakes, but I'd rather deal with pulling in boards and cleaning off weeds than losing a trophy due to slack line.
If fish out there try to eat boards than its no wonder every guide is heading over there.  |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | DR would keep em tight to the boat and give you more options to spread. hell, you could run topwater off a rigger if you just want to steer a bait ... can be used for depth or for steering. why wouldn't you want to use down-riggers fishing muskies?? it's still trolling for fish, right? or do muskies act different than other fish that swim and eat?
he said he's only running 6 lines and that's not a lot in a 18' boat if you get 2 tight using DR's and then 2 in front and 2 off the sides using a both boards or a combination that might be helpful by using a dipsy.
i assumed he was talking salmon, but now it looks like lake st. clair musky trolling ... so, yah maybe apples and oranges but how is that guess supposed to be so easily understood?? |
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| guy offers some advice, looks pretty sound from the results, and a wanna be musky fishermen bashes him. Ah yes, just another day on "As the Musky World Turns". |
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| Sled I gave you NO advise on your rods and admitted in my original post your set up has a place, and that place shows from your picture. I dont know what your talking about there. However if you want to go to St Coix and put words in my mouth give them my phone number too and have them call me direct to clear that up. The fact that your trying to advise him on something that you dont know about is what I question. Just because your set up works for your application doesnt mean thats what he is trying to achieve. Dont worry I fish enough for me.
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Location: minocqua, wi. |
If fish out there try to eat boards than its no wonder every guide is heading over there. :-)
they get testy when you advertise that place ... which is why i thought he was talking about salmon.
dumb, not stupid ... LMFAO, who knew the afternoon would turn into so much fun!!! |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | muskihntr - 7/25/2012 2:13 PM
Sled I gave you NO advise on your rods and admitted in my original post your set up has a place, and that place shows from your picture. I dont know what your talking about there. However if you want to go to St Coix and put words in my mouth give them my phone number too and have them call me direct to clear that up. The fact that your trying to advise him on something that you dont know about is what I question. Just because your set up works for your application doesnt mean thats what he is trying to achieve. Dont worry I fish enough for me. I forgot your a protected species on this site and probably shouldnt have even made any comments at all.
12' with boards ... don't use em.
was trying to help on a subject that was vague.
it's an awesome subject tho and i believe even the people at OFM are preparing to expand the subject for the future. multi-line trolling is a really cool sport. i just got into it about 3 years ago and am addicted.
maybe know who you punch before swinging ... that might help. |
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| Assuming i wrote something I didt. I stand behind my original post. I got 2 of the 10 foot St Croix glass rods in my garage that have gotten alot of use.
Nice Salmon. Chris take Sleds advise please. |
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| Wow I need to bring my computer to work. Look at all the fun I'm missing. Well I guess I just wanted to hear some of the pros and cons of a mast over inlines for smaller boats. I guess the main one is the slack line. i was wondering about this. I currently run modified inlines and have no issues, so it looks as I will stay this way. Mainly trolling a couple of lakes near Hayward, not really interested in the drama of St. Clair. oh yeah and Jon, I have used 12 rods for trolling with and with out boards and don't really have issues they have their place and you can catch the weasel snot out of the fish.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | The 5' Eyecons and 12' Eyecons are literally 'sweeping' the trolling world. |
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| That was an all-time classic Chris!! |
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| the other negative about running off cleats besides not having a steep angle to get the clips to easily slide out is that once you get in 2' waves your board line takes a beating and is under water more than out and it pulls your board back decreasing the "out" distance from the side of the boat and decreasing your coverage. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | just got my 10' St. Croix Wild-River trolling rods i'll use with #3 dipsies to complement the 12' board rods ... can September come sooner please??!! looking forward to Chequamegon Bay fishing this fall!!!
whaddya think Bette? |
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