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| Before any one jumps down my throat, I looked for a thread that would answer my question & couldn't find one.
I see people are saying to leave Muskies alone while the water temps are high.
Why?
Im just asking before someone gets mad im just asking cuz I don't know.
What is to warm? I mean is 8o degrees to hot 90 what?
Is it not the water temp at all and just the outside temps?
I was out on a local river up here in Northern Wisconsin Sunday & the water temps were 81 and a shallow back bay they were 88. I noticed I wasn't seen the fish there I had seen a week earlyer. That includes pan fish & little bait fish. I figured that was due to the warm water.
Thanks for any info. |
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Location: Sussex, NJ | Usually once the water temp is around the 80 degree mark you tend to hang the gear up until it cools off. However a lot of the readings are of the surface which is warmer than say 10ft below the surface. It can be harmful to the fish because the warm is so warm and the fish become exhausted. The water also has low oxygen levels which does not help fish that are muskie size. The muskies survival chance decreases greatly in water over 80 degrees |
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| As water warms up it loses the ability to hold Oxygen. 80 degrees is the widely accepted temperature after which it becomes difficult to catch and successfully release muskies. But there are many variables. 80 degree surface temps in a back bay during the hottest part of the day is different than consistent 80 degree surface temps throughout the whole lake. Shallow lakes where there is no water beneath the surface that is significantly cooler are different than deep lakes where you may see 80 on the surface, and find much much cooler water 5 - 10 feet down.
Should you fish? That's your call. It really depends on what's going on beneath the surface and throughout the rest of the lake. I know that on "my lake" the shorelines can be warm, and you can get a surface reading of 80 degrees during unusually hot weather, especially over shallow sandy areas, but when you swim out 20 feet from shore and get over deeper water it's a WHOLE different story - that water can still be #*^@ cold! I've never had the opportunity to check, but with depths up to 57 feet on a 500 acre lake, I'd suspect that a vast majority of the lake never warms up all that much, even during the hottest weather. |
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Location: South Bend, Indiana | If you want to know the technical stuff, it's because at higher temperatures, gases are less soluble to a liquid solvent... oxygen being the solute, and the water being the solvent. As the water temps decrease, the solubility increases for a gas increases... That's why in late fall, the fat girls have no problem shooting away after an awesome fight |
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| It has nothing to do with dissolved oxygen and all about temperature. DO levels are at an annual high right now.
Weeds (photosynthesis) + Waves = more DO
DO levels are significantly lower in the fall and winter when the weeds are dying/decomposing as the process actually consumes oxygen. |
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| it was noted in southern waters when folks released muskies and later found those same muskies belly up. they also noted that the water temps were near 80 as well. putting two and two together they figured out that releasing muskies during high water temps kills them . |
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Location: South Bend, Indiana | The weeds can effect it, but the majority has to do with "dissolved" oxygen. (Which isn't even technically "dissolved") Chemistry my friend... chemistry... |
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| Point remains, DO is higher now than it will be in october. Check out historical lake mendota buoy data |
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| You'll have to explain further for us non-chemists because photosynthesis does create "dissolved oxygen" according to the internet.
http://www.waterontheweb.org/under/waterquality/oxygen.html |
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Location: Madison, WI | Heres a good discussion......
http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/board/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=21...
In my opinion, do what you want, if you choose to fish just becareful and follow the basic guidlines.
1. Fight fast
2. Water release (save pic taking for fish bigger than 45" and no more than 10 seconds out of the water)
3. Have proper release tools
I even read somewhere to hold fish alittle deeper down if possible because its generally cooler.
Edited by EsoxAddiction 7/3/2012 5:01 PM
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Location: MN | Rob Kimm did a good piece on the subject either on this forum or another sometime in the last couple years, explaining oxygen, lactic acid buildup in the fish, temps, the whole works. There is sound scientific eveidence supporting 80 F being the point at which release becomes quite a bit less certain. He quits fishing then, I and many people I know do as well. |
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| All fish including bass have a hard time going back after a good fight in warm water ,its all on expierience.everyone should just quit fishin !sounds like a govnt scam .and dont plan on fishin in minn ,cuz water is too hot there also.sounds like guys just want to hog all the fish for themelves,and btw still waiting on a scientific study on post death of these fish.and how warm water hurts fishing when u see muskies up in shallow water by piers sunny or even eating during the day,on 86 degree water temps.fish dye going from extreme cold to hot water and vise versa!so catch em deep yes this is what will happen .make your own decission dont let others threaten u for enjoying a day on the lake tryin to get lucky!
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Location: MN | Rather callous and uncaring to not have any concern whatsoever regarding water temps, and then recommending to all to just go fish, but to each his own. By the way, there is a big difference between a healthy fish choosing to go lay up in warm water, and being in control of how long he is there and how he moves, vs being caught and possibly severely tired out (lactic acid buildup) and then released into oxgen-depleted, high temp water where the fish doesn't have that control. I think most on here are not dictating do this/do that as an absolute, but rather asking that everyone at least consider the dangers and be as thoughtful and protective as possible when it comes to handling, photos out of the water, etc, and just caring for the resource. |
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Location: Kansas City BBQ Capitol of the world | I have a question on this. I'm no fish Biologist and don't catch half as many Muskies as most of you guys, so here goes.
I know some Muskie boats have 60 inch live wells in them. Would an extra step of reviving the fish in the live well with the aerator on help with the supply of oxygen for the fish in these situations?
Thanks,
Ron
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Probably not, because the water would be pulled from the surface and be very warm. The main issue is increased stress on muskies from the battle in water temps that are too warm and increased post release mortality is the result. That's not something the biologists and field folks from the DNR up here question at all...Keith plain won't fish muskies once the temps hit upper 70's to low 80's. |
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| guest - 7/5/2012 10:21 AM
sounds like guys just want to hog all the fish for themelves
Actually, I'd argue it sounds like you are trying to hog them for yourself. If the knowledgeable musky anglers quit fishing for them under extreme temps, then how is that hogging them for themselves?
I know this guy is probably just messing with everybody, because not too many musky fisherman are that dumb. |
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Location: WI | guest - 7/5/2012 10:21 AM
All fish including bass have a hard time going back after a good fight in warm water ,its all on expierience.everyone should just quit fishin !sounds like a govnt scam .and dont plan on fishin in minn ,cuz water is too hot there also.sounds like guys just want to hog all the fish for themelves,and btw still waiting on a scientific study on post death of these fish.and how warm water hurts fishing when u see muskies up in shallow water by piers sunny or even eating during the day,on 86 degree water temps.fish dye going from extreme cold to hot water and vise versa!so catch em deep yes this is what will happen .make your own decission dont let others threaten u for enjoying a day on the lake tryin to get lucky!
And I rest my case. Smartphones are making us all dumber. |
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| we caught some fish this past weekend, water temps were 77-81, northern WI.
we fought the fish very fast, some were caught in the 8 and literally were in the net in under 10 seconds flat. It surprised me how long it took for them to revive/swim off under their own power. I don't care what anyone says. Fishing for musky in the higher temps of 80 plus is risking a dead fish. Plain and simple.
What really gets under my skin are the guys that don't fish their local waters when temps are too high but then plan trips to places like MN and don't think anything of it when the temps are the same because "they have their vacation days asked off and the rooms booked" Well ok then. To me that is selfish and shows a lack of respect for the resources. Yah some muskies will die, we fish with hooks, but temps like we have now in some areas it's just not smart to fish muskies. I will not plan to fish them again until we get a BIG cool down.
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| Great,great,great info. I have never seen this issue discussed to this degree. I have learned alot and really appreciate the shared knowledge! For my 2 cents.... always.air to the benifit of the fish. Never take our respnsibiltty to ensure a fishes return back to the resource lightly. I was going to go out tonight but now I am going to wait for a cool down. |
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| Big fish = lots of O2, they are in the weeds for oxygen, not for our disposal. (i.e. literally) |
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| funny you never hear saric or heiting say they stop fishing for musky when temps get high,i have to laugh everytime some self proclaimed internet musky wizzard starts in on this ,fish adapt they have since the beginning of time.if you are that worried about a fish dying you guys should take up tennis or golf.in 38 years of muskie fishing ive seen and heard it all. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Apparently, you have not heard it all. That is very clear. Ask any fisheries biologist who manages esocids if it's a good idea to fish them in water temps over 80 degrees if successful release is the ultimate goal. You are uninformed on the topic.
Laugh all you want, I'll leave the muskies alone in water that warm.
By the way, another thing that is well known...folks who are uniformed about a subject will, if they do not WISH to become informed on the subject for personal reasons, commonly blow off the educational experience and are highly critical of the messenger.
Yesterday, we went out and slapped around some bass. Even with the livewell going full blast with a 750 GPH pump and aerator head, half of them died within minutes, and we caught them out of 2' of water. If I'm fishing in weather this warm, I am fishing for a specie of fish I intend to harvest.
Use your mouse if you don't like learning. Please.
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Location: Cave Run Lake KY. | Cave Run water tmpt 7/6/12 -- 83 degree's --- Miller 64 Time |
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Location: Ft. Wayne, Indiana | High water temps + catching muskies = more dead muskies
Maybe thats why mostly northern states with generally colder temps are the states with a natural muskie population...
Bottom line is you should fish for something else during hot water to preserve the resource. |
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| you take a chance of killing a fish everytime you fish for one its part of the game.that will never change,FISH DIE IT HAPPENS.how many high profile musky guys stop fishing whentemps get hot? do you think saric,heiting herbie,bill sandy,al linder stop NO!! they dont.does the pmtt or wmt cancel tournaments because of water temp ?dont think so. you guys go park your boats and watch tv ill be muskie fishing |
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Location: MN | Steve, I'm going to break your forum rules. What an ignorant, selfish tool jrt is. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | The PMTT WOULD reschedule and event if water temps were too high, they were worried about Eagle River. The MN Dnr would shut the event down if in MN and water temps are in the 80's. WMT probably wouldn't and that speaks volumes to me, we'll see if it comes up. Don't know what Steve and Jim think of this, they have their own business to look after; head on over and ask 'em.
I'm not going to make sure the fish dies by fishing in 83 degree water for muskies and then claim I released the fish. You go ahead and do so, it's your right to, but I hope the muskie anglers fishing Shawano and the other muskie waters in the area have a word or two with you if you fish locally. If you are not concerned the fish will die, harvest it. Better than wasting a nice muskie...which does happen, but usually by those who are uniformed.
None of the Lindners would fish for Muskies in water temps that are dangerous for the fish. Ask Al next time you see him, or I could when I shoot an interview or two with him at ICAST next week.
The chances Eagle would heat up over the majority of the water colomn to over 80 degrees are pretty slim. Areas of that water that hold muskies would always be cooler. Herbie is and always has been a conservationist minded muskie angler. He just loves anonymous internet monitor moroons, too. I bet he'd have a nice pleasant word or two for you. |
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| Just quit being so ignorant JRT. Its people like you that will have a negative impact on the population. Those guys that you speak of dont quit because they get paid to do it, and if you would have ever actually talked to one of them they would tell you to preserve the resorce that they love.
Edited by Apex 7/7/2012 12:56 PM
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| Common sense and a little logic is all it takes. |
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Location: Cave Run Lake KY. | Thanks Steve
Thanks Steve ! One of thr best post Iv'e seen on here for a while . I see these same BlowHards every year on saterday night of the nine day deer hunt in the bar crying in thier beer about how they missed this big buck. To Bad To Sad . IF you haven't caught enough musky's in 32 years of fishing for them then it's time to find a new sport. With 83 deg. water in the cave im' hitting the water with my fly rod for bass and my spining rod with 4lb test for the big lake blue's. blue gill taste a lot better then muskie and I can keep all I whant. Good fishing to you . Marv.
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